Are conservative parties hateful?

[Wizlandia]

Iirc the context for the first was in an article he wrote defending muslim women's right to wear burqa's, the second was mocking Blair for his foreign policy. Too colourful and a poor choice of words, but I don't see it as hateful.

Don't remember the specific context around "tanked-topped bum boys" so I won't comment on it.

The fact he said it is hateful enough.

Disagree. IMO words and phrases are not hateful in of themselves, it is intent that determines hate.

[Sanghyeok]

A bit off topic, but bonus points to anyone who can message me the songs that are referenced in my poll.

Focusing on a balanced budget instead of helping starving people doesn't seem like a good policy.

The fiscal conservatives in America would try to have both. LOL. But maybe the former is a burden on pursuing the latter?

Well, it's harder for us to prove they are biased against the poor.

[Major-Tom]

What I'm really trying to say is that my standards are low, I know he sucks, I know he's a twat, and I do know what he has said. Probably a hateful person, yes, I kind of misspoke in an effort to convey the point that "he is more incompetent than anything else."

He's basically British Trump. Just without all the narcissism and with even worse hair, and a bit more intelligence.

I've given up on comparing people to Trump. I think, to a point, you just can't really make any apt comparisons beyond "they're both populistic, egotistical and rabble-rousing!"

Because, ultimately, for all the damage that a Boris or a Berlusconi can do, the damage toll at the end doesn't really compare to what I've seen here in the US. Divisive rhetoric and hard-right policies are one thing, being subversive to democracy itself is another beast entirely.

[Delberz]

Actually, they are.
They will however probably never reach the hate-mastery level of so called "progressionists".

[Albrenia]

The fact he said it is hateful enough.

Disagree. IMO words and phrases are not hateful in of themselves, it is intent that determines hate.

As an Australian, I agree that is indeed possible to call some a [redacted]ing [redacted] bunch of [redacted]s and mean it in a a non-hateful way.

[Celritannia]

Disagree. IMO words and phrases are not hateful in of themselves, it is intent that determines hate.

As an Australian, I agree that is indeed possible to call some a [redacted]ing [redacted] bunch of [redacted]s and mean it in a a non-hateful way.

If you are talking to someone you know well, sure, because the happens in the UK too.
But not to an entire group of people.

[Necroghastia]

By and large, yes. Reactionary rhetoric largely depends on having a bogeyman to rail against.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

[Fahran]

CNN is a bunch of corporate neolib hacks who are as left wing as apples are oranges

They have doxxed people as well, but I wasn't referring to them in that post. Every mainstream politician or pundit and almost every mainstream institution in the United States is some flavor of neoliberal. That includes the mainstream political left, which slurps up progressive and socialist ideas from the more radical wings of the Democrats and Greens.

And it's not as though our far-left is without fault either. I don't think the people who fantasize about putting people up against a wall post-revolution always do so without hatred in their hearts. I don't think the people punching Nazis are doing it solely out of love in most cases either. My point in all of this is that hatred isn't really the exclusive domain of any political paradigm or ideology, which complements my earlier point that most political paradigms and ideologies aren't explicitly rooted in hatred and that most adherents probably don't set out to be hateful. It's something a sizable minority or even a slight majority of people stumble into in very particular circumstances.

[Celritannia]

If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

Interesting...
You mention "liberal Parties" then go on an talk about left-wing parties.

[Bird Law]

i'm straight up not going to read any of the replies to this, but ya. conservative philosophy favors the powerful over the many, and traditionally conservative parties have used wedges to drive the less privileged to work against their class interests and act instead in a different interest. I get that many people are gonna be like oh no that's not what hateful means but it kind of is. Like, how can arguing against queer rights and in favor of the policies that the racists like be anything other than hatefu?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

He's basically British Trump. Just without all the narcissism and with even worse hair, and a bit more intelligence.

I've given up on comparing people to Trump. I think, to a point, you just can't really make any apt comparisons beyond "they're both populistic, egotistical and rabble-rousing!"

Because, ultimately, for all the damage that a Boris or a Berlusconi can do, the damage toll at the end doesn't really compare to what I've seen here in the US. Divisive rhetoric and hard-right policies are one thing, being subversive to democracy itself is another beast entirely.

Can you stop reading my mind? Gee.

[Broader Confederate States]

If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

and if you believe in a race-privilege connection (which i can't really comment on, and that's not my intention anyway), it circles right back around.

[Broader Confederate States]

i'm straight up not going to read any of the replies to this, but ya. conservative philosophy favors the powerful over the many, and traditionally conservative parties have used wedges to drive the less privileged to work against their class interests and act instead in a different interest. I get that many people are gonna be like oh no that's not what hateful means but it kind of is. Like, how can arguing against queer rights and in favor of the policies that the racists like be anything other than hatefu?

don't call me a queer, it's really not very polite.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That depends. Is former prime minister Harper of Canada hateful? No. Is Donald Trump's dark twisted version of the GOP hateful? Very.

[Albrenia]

Lot of whattaboutism in this thread. As if the left or centrists being hateful means that conservatives aren't hateful.

But to repeat my earlier post here, conservative parties are not inherently hateful. Although recent ones based on hard-line Christianity have had a lot of hate for so-called 'degenerates', and the more recent Populist Nationalist successors have a lot of hate on racial and religious grounds.

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If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

Almost as if there's a difference, huh. If I could just wildly speculate, maybe that Jews aren't destroying the planet and making millions of people suffer but the rich are.

[Broader Confederate States]

Lot of whattaboutism in this thread. As if the left or centrists being hateful means that conservatives aren't hateful.

But to repeat my earlier post here, conservative parties are not inherently hateful. Although recent ones based on hard-line Christianity have had a lot of hate for so-called 'degenerates', and the more recent Populist Nationalist successors have a lot of hate on racial and religious grounds.

blame the eighties. great music, terrible philosophy.

[Saiwania]

The world of politics is supposed to represent every ideology/belief system out there and if some people are hateful, of course there will be hateful policies pushed. I'll freely admit that hatred isn't always a flaw but a feature to me. That is the point for some people. I don't have an equal capacity to love everyone or everything. I'm for just as much as I'm against certain things.

We can't get everything that we want as a general rule, but we can align with whatever vision of the world is most compatible our best interests or view of how the world should be.

[Celritannia]

That depends. Is former prime minister Harper of Canada hateful? No. Is Donald Trump's dark twisted version of the GOP hateful? Very.

Ehhhh, I'd argue Stephen Harper was quite centrist.

[Sanghyeok]

If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

Interesting...
You mention "liberal Parties" then go on an talk about left-wing parties.

According to Marx it is not the rich who are bad and the proletariat who are good. I believe it was even Marx who acknowledges that if the some of the individual proletariat were to take the place of the rich (not seizing the means of production, which is different), they too would begin exploitation. So the far-left doesn't hate the rich so much as it wants society to change to remove the exploitation that they do.

[Sanghyeok]

If conservative parties are hateful then so are the liberal parties. I've never been a conservative, so I can't speak for the right, but I know as a former Trotskyist that the left definitely has some pretty big hatred towards certain groups. While the right is more racial in their hatred, the left has equal amounts of hatred, just for class rather than race. Just as the far-right has a deep hatred for Jews, so too does the far-left have a deep hatred for the rich.

Almost as if there's a difference, huh. If I could just wildly speculate, maybe that Jews aren't destroying the planet and making millions of people suffer but the rich are.

And furthermore, the left doesn't hate the rich, it simply wants to remove the existence of such classes and remove exploitation.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Interesting...
You mention "liberal Parties" then go on an talk about left-wing parties.

According to Marx it is not the rich who are bad and the proletariat who are good. I believe it was even Marx who acknowledges that if the some of the individual proletariat were to take the place of the rich (not seizing the means of production, which is different), they too would begin exploitation. So the far-left doesn't hate the rich so much as it wants society to change to remove the exploitation that they do.

Time to appropriate this thread and turn it into Marxism III.

[Sanghyeok]

According to Marx it is not the rich who are bad and the proletariat who are good. I believe it was even Marx who acknowledges that if the some of the individual proletariat were to take the place of the rich (not seizing the means of production, which is different), they too would begin exploitation. So the far-left doesn't hate the rich so much as it wants society to change to remove the exploitation that they do.

Time to appropriate this thread and turn it into Marxism III.

Well, I think we should go back to topic (as much as I would like Marxism III).

[Muralos]

That depends. Is former prime minister Harper of Canada hateful? No. Is Donald Trump's dark twisted version of the GOP hateful? Very.

Ehhhh, I'd argue David Harper was quite centrist.

Stephen*??

edit: lol ik this could be a joke. who’s David though?