Are conservative parties hateful?

[Kiu Ghesik]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Hello, InfoWars? I've got a new guest speaker on the line.

[Celritannia]

First, the left (here I refer to the actual left minus myself) loves guns, perhaps as much as you do.
Secondly, if you want to talk about liberals, they want to restrict some ownership, but they aren't calling for violence against gun owners.

"some," which is why people herald australia as a paragon of progress in that regard

They have guns and universal healthcare, what a fantastic combination.

[The Grand Golden State]

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didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

Yeah but thanks to a comprehensive education system and leadership that actually knows what they're doing, New Zealanders were willing to give up this freedom temporarily to prevent the spread of COVID-19 rather than not wearing masks as a political statement and threatening to kidnap politicians. Now New Zealand has no cases and can open back up while the U.S. is going through a third spike in cases and may need yet another shutdown.

[Telconi]

Transgender individuals have sexually assaulted. Rather such evidence is "significant" is a matter of opinion.

The point is that people are perfectly willing to truncate the rights of the general public driven by an irrational fear. If we refer to such a tendency as hatred, it's only fair we equally apply the label.

I use "significant" in terms of difference between trans people and cis people. There is no significant difference, therefore those fears of trans people are not well founded.

In which case gun control doesn't enact significant measures. People are murdered with bare hands more often than they're murdered with rifles and shotguns, and yet the focus of gun control is "assault weapons". Why? Because it pretty well targets political opponents.

[Albrenia]

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

Yeah but thanks to a comprehensive education system and leadership that actually knows what they're doing, New Zealanders were willing to give up this freedom temporarily to prevent the spread of COVID-19 rather than not wearing masks as a political statement and threatening to kidnap politicians. Now New Zealand has no cases and can open back up while the U.S. is going through a third spike in cases and may need yet another shutdown.

Funny how acting like a reasonable human being sometimes pays off, whereas being a Karen rarely does.

[The Grand Golden State]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Someone's been drinking the NRA's kool aid

[Muralos]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ayo that's not a thing, or you're conflating the remarks of certain people with an entire political coalition that would not sanction this.

I feel sorry that your view of "The Left" and of humanity in general is so INCREDIBLY skewed. Yes, there are ridiculous people out there but there are also plenty of reasonable people. (edit:) Like I'm not out here flaming you or roasting you... I just think it sucks if you live every day thinking "holy shit there are so many stupid people" and you let it push you to another extreme :/

[Telconi]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

First, the left (here I refer to the actual left minus myself) loves guns, perhaps as much as you do.
Secondly, if you want to talk about liberals, they want to restrict some ownership, but they aren't calling for violence against gun owners.

Cops kicking in your door in the middle of the night to drag you off to prison is very much violent.

[Sanghyeok]

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

Yeah but thanks to a comprehensive education system and leadership that actually knows what they're doing, New Zealanders were willing to give up this freedom temporarily to prevent the spread of COVID-19 rather than not wearing masks as a political statement and threatening to kidnap politicians. Now New Zealand has no cases and can open back up while the U.S. is going through a third spike in cases and may need yet another shutdown.

I am indeed curious about the US's individualism (which is a topic for another thread I might make later) and how it led to this. People just can't sacrifice a little bit for the long term greater good.

[Telconi]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Someone's been drinking the NRA's kool aid

I didn't realize the NRA published the Democratic National Convention.

Those crazy propagandists.

[VlaRiSsiA]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ah the classic referring to the left as a single person. I am now the CEO of The Left TM and I want to ruin everything because (((cultural Marxism))) yada yada yada.

Also, in what world are leftists against gun rights. If you even read a single page of Marx, you would know he was more pro-gun than most republicans or even libertarians. The democrats are somewhat-progressive capitalists and fall under the category of neoliberalism, which is on the economic right.

[SD_Film Artists]

No more so than the far-left. It' just a different kind of hate. I know Lib Dems (centre-left) who recieved much more threats and general hate from Corbyn/Momentum followers than from right-wing UKIP types.

[Sanghyeok]

I use "significant" in terms of difference between trans people and cis people. There is no significant difference, therefore those fears of trans people are not well founded.

In which case gun control doesn't enact significant measures. People are murdered with bare hands more often than they're murdered with rifles and shotguns, and yet the focus of gun control is "assault weapons". Why? Because it pretty well targets political opponents.

Bare hands are used for cooking, makeup, dressing, eating, sleeping, hugging, grasping, writing, playing, typing, for example.
Rifles and shotguns are made for shooting.

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And once doctors can detect the genetic precursors of homosexuality in the womb, I think we both know which side of the political aisle will be fighting for a mother's "right" to execute her unborn child for being gay.

The pro-choice position is simply that a person who wants to terminate a pregnancy should be able to. Some people do it for shitty reasons but they shouldn't be asked why they're terminating in the first place.

What do you want, that people are interrogated over their desire to terminate? That would cause severe distress to people in one of the most difficult ordeals of their lives. And do you think that many people who do want to abort for shitty reasons would tell the truth anyway? What do we do about that, launch investigations while the fetus continues to develop?

A fetus is a fetus and an abortion is an abortion regardless of why someone wants one. I'm sure there are plenty of assholes who want to terminate for bigoted reasons but it makes no sense to deny them the right to do it when you wouldn't if they would simply say "I don't want to have a kid." Don't ask in the first place, that's the only reasonable way to do it.

[Telconi]

In which case gun control doesn't enact significant measures. People are murdered with bare hands more often than they're murdered with rifles and shotguns, and yet the focus of gun control is "assault weapons". Why? Because it pretty well targets political opponents.

Bare hands are used for cooking, makeup, dressing, eating, sleeping, hugging, grasping, writing, playing, typing, for example.
Rifles and shotguns are made for shooting.

Yes, and?

[Broader Confederate States]

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

Yeah but thanks to a comprehensive education system and leadership that actually knows what they're doing, New Zealanders were willing to give up this freedom temporarily to prevent the spread of COVID-19 rather than not wearing masks as a political statement and threatening to kidnap politicians. Now New Zealand has no cases and can open back up while the U.S. is going through a third spike in cases and may need yet another shutdown.

the shutdowns weren't intended to do anything more than "flatten the curve", so that hospitals didn't need to take on a flood of cases all at once. they were never meant to reverse it. this is, albiet on a far more extreme level than ever intended, the expected outcome of lockdown measures. now, i'm not saying that the anti-mask protesters are super intelligent on an individual level but there are reasons to get suspicious when the "14 day" lockdown measures to "flatten the curve" turns into "until we have a vaccine" to "prevent any new cases at all".

[Sanghyeok]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ah the classic referring to the left as a single person. I am now the CEO of The Left TM and I want to ruin everything because (((cultural Marxism))) yada yada yada.

Also, in what world are leftists against gun rights. If you even read a single page of Marx, you would know he was more pro-gun than most republicans or even libertarians. The democrats are somewhat-progressive capitalists and fall under the category of neoliberalism, which is on the economic right.

I might be the only leftist against gun rights, but yes Marx was very pro-gun.
'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary'

[Muralos]

Someone's been drinking the NRA's kool aid

I didn't realize the NRA published the Democratic National Convention.

Those crazy propagandists.

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

[Albrenia]

We should probably drop the guns de-rail now.

Even if we accept regulation as hateful, and those in favour of it being 'the left', it has little to do with if conservatism or parties which follow it are hateful.

[The Emerald Legion]

The same goes for most leftists.

Leftists don't want to strip LGBT people of their rights, or sterilise refugees.

Not those specific groups no. Instead the left wants to kick people with religious beliefs out of society and push Eugenics programs onto the poor and minorities.

[Odreria]

Well now that's just sexist.

I thought it was good banter... this could probably launch a conversation about "if you made a joke about vaginas though..." which is a lot to unpack but would be an interesting convo?

I'm a male human.

[Crockerland]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ayo that's not a thing, or you're conflating the remarks of certain people with an entire political coalition that would not sanction this.

I feel sorry that your view of "The Left" and of humanity in general is so INCREDIBLY skewed. Yes, there are ridiculous people out there but there are also plenty of reasonable people.

Okay, name a major Left-wing politician in the US who opposes state violence against bump stock and gun owners. And of course I'm sure some of those reasonable people oppose the sale and manufacture of bump stocks, which as long as they don't support physical violence and state terror against people who own a bump stock is a totally reasonable and decent position. I'm sure you'll have no trouble naming these politicians.

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Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ah the classic referring to the left as a single person. I am now the CEO of The Left TM and I want to ruin everything because (((cultural Marxism))) yada yada yada.

Also, in what world are leftists against gun rights. If you even read a single page of Marx, you would know he was more pro-gun than most republicans or even libertarians. The democrats are somewhat-progressive capitalists and fall under the category of neoliberalism, which is on the economic right.

You're going to get warned for the sarcastic echo. The mods refuse to recognize satire.

[Sanghyeok]

I didn't realize the NRA published the Democratic National Convention.

Those crazy propagandists.

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

I don't think they're libleft, given "pro-life" and "anti-SJW".

[Telconi]

I didn't realize the NRA published the Democratic National Convention.

Those crazy propagandists.

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

Gun bans are literally published in their platform.