Should the State of Jefferson Exist?

[The New California Republic]

California, while I despise the state have always had nothing but good regards to the flag itself which is both symbolically meaningful but also has some history.

The flag does tend to rank highly on Vexillology polls regarding popularity of various flags.

[Ethel mermania]

California, while I despise the state have always had nothing but good regards to the flag itself which is both symbolically meaningful but also has some history.

The flag does tend to rank highly on Vexillology polls regarding popularity of various flags.

Needs another head.

[The New California Republic]

The flag does tend to rank highly on Vexillology polls regarding popularity of various flags.

Needs another head.

Thankfully no nukes have fallen onto California and its environs yet, as that doesn't happen until 2077, so no need.

[Ethel mermania]

Needs another head.

Thankfully no nukes have fallen onto California and its environs yet, as that doesn't happen until 2077, so no need.

Look we are trying to support a marketing campaign here. Think of it

"The new California Republic", with that far seeing flag. We make it so, and then we sue for royalties

[The Two Jerseys]

Not until Thomas Paine gets a state.

We can name independent South Jersey after him.

It's appropriate since he actually lived there.

The CIA would know.

and that is why we made up a myth about Indians with that name, because. Screw Del

Please, everyone knows it's "Dela-where?".

Also, I have no choice but to post this link now...

[Cordel One]

Jefferson should NOT be a state but Puerto RIco should. I like even numbers though, let's kick Wyoming out of the union to make space. Wyoming sucks, stupid ass state

[Jraden]

If Oregon wants to accept California’s problems they can go right ahead.

[New Steuben]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do(San Fran basically tells the feds to fuck themselves half the time), yet, they subject us to their will.

[Cordel One]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do, yet, they subject us to their will.

The urban Californians leave rural northern CA alone far more than they should, especially with our schools which really need help. Jefferson is a poorly thought out tax haven that will do nothing for the people beyond giving some people who want to separate from the rest of California a sense of pride. It's also worth noting we're not a hivemind that shares the same values. I've lived most of my life here and I'm a communist.

On a side note, SF's honestly sad to go to. Their homeless population is insanely high and they do almost nothing for them. The apathy of capitalism at its finest.

[Senkaku]

Just put the whole region bounded by... let's say Boise, Crescent City, and Juneau? under direct rule from Seattle

[Kowani]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do(San Fran basically tells the feds to fuck themselves half the time), yet, they subject us to their will.

Waaaah they have more people

[Cordel One]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do(San Fran basically tells the feds to fuck themselves half the time), yet, they subject us to their will.

Waaaah they have more people

It's ridiculous how many Americans act like it's the land that votes instead of people. Some people live closer together than others, it's not oppression.

[San Lumen]

Jefferson should NOT be a state but Puerto RIco should. I like even numbers though, let's kick Wyoming out of the union to make space. Wyoming sucks, stupid ass state

No they dont suck nor are they a stupid state.

[New haven america]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do(San Fran basically tells the feds to fuck themselves half the time), yet, they subject us to their will.

San Francisco/San Jose, Napa Valley, and Sacramento are all technically NorCal.

[Cordel One]

Jefferson should NOT be a state but Puerto RIco should. I like even numbers though, let's kick Wyoming out of the union to make space. Wyoming sucks, stupid ass state

No they dont suck nor are they a stupid state.

Do I really need to elaborate that this was a joke?

[Deacarsia]

Yea, the State of Jefferson absolutely should exist, and I support the largest proposed definition of its territory. The region of the proposed State of Jefferson severely is ignored and politically powerless in the State of California as well very different from the rest of the state culturally.

I strongly support the creation of the State of Jefferson, and I furthermore believe that several other new states also should be carved out of the territory of other states, especially those with large sociocultural and political divides.

[95X]

A while back, someone mentioned West Virginia splitting from Virginia as an example. There's a difference there, West Virginia was created because Virginia joined the Confederacy during the US Civil War.

Something very interesting in the Wikipedia article is that the government of the city of Redding, CA, voted not participate in any State of Jefferson movement, so there's proof not everyone who lives in that area favors it.

Overall, I disagree with the idea. I'm reminded of the line from the NS FAQ and how it relates to the situation:

My region's WA Delegate is an evil dictator who abuses her power! Make her stop!

Delegates are elected: If you don't like yours, it's up to you to get that nation unelected!

Essentially, if people in the area claimed by the State of Jefferson don't like what their state government in Sacramento or Salem are doing, it's up to them to get people voted in that support their interests.

[Ethel mermania]

A while back, someone mentioned West Virginia splitting from Virginia as an example. There's a difference there, West Virginia was created because Virginia joined the Confederacy during the US Civil War.

Something very interesting in the Wikipedia article is that the government of the city of Redding, CA, voted not participate in any State of Jefferson movement, so there's proof not everyone who lives in that area favors it.

Overall, I disagree with the idea. I'm reminded of the line from the NS FAQ and how it relates to the situation:

My region's WA Delegate is an evil dictator who abuses her power! Make her stop!

Delegates are elected: If you don't like yours, it's up to you to get that nation unelected!

Essentially, if people in the area claimed by the State of Jefferson don't like what their state government in Sacramento or Salem are doing, it's up to them to get people voted in that support their interests.

Their point is that is impossible, as the interests of the coastal folks are different those inland, and the inland people are outnumbered by an insurmountable amount.

[Roegerland]

If it annoys bigoted progressives who just love to call everyone who isn't exactly like them evil and/or racist, then yes absolutely.

[Turelisa-]

Imagine if they were successful. The replacement of all national flags used in an official capacity with an updated standard with an extra star must be a laborious and expensive operation, and especially if American territories subsequently get state status.

[The New California Republic]

Imagine if they were successful. The replacement of all national flags used in an official capacity with an updated standard with an extra star must be a laborious and expensive operation, and especially if American territories subsequently get state status.

I mean it'd be pretty straightforward: just mass produce the new flags and then mail them to where they are needed.

[San Lumen]

Yea, the State of Jefferson absolutely should exist, and I support the largest proposed definition of its territory. The region of the proposed State of Jefferson severely is ignored and politically powerless in the State of California as well very different from the rest of the state culturally.

I strongly support the creation of the State of Jefferson, and I furthermore believe that several other new states also should be carved out of the territory of other states, especially those with large sociocultural and political divides.

No they are not ignored and politically powerless. They have representation like everyone else.

[Kanadorika]

As a northern californian, I say yes, we have serious issues in the state of California concerncing domination by urban cities effecting our way of life and imposing their will upon us.

We simply want to live a life according to our values, just like the urbanites in San Fran do(San Fran basically tells the feds to fuck themselves half the time), yet, they subject us to their will.

San Francisco/San Jose, Napa Valley, and Sacramento are all technically NorCal.

Cringe.

I maintain that anything north of Sacramento is norcal. The Bay area is Central California and I will fight over it.

[Turelisa-]

Imagine if they were successful. The replacement of all national flags used in an official capacity with an updated standard with an extra star must be a laborious and expensive operation, and especially if American territories subsequently get state status.

I mean it'd be pretty straightforward: just mass produce the new flags and then mail them to where they are needed.

Note I said 'laborious' and 'expensive', not problematic.

[Alternamerica]

San Francisco/San Jose, Napa Valley, and Sacramento are all technically NorCal.

Cringe.

I maintain that anything north of Sacramento is norcal. The Bay area is Central California and I will fight over it.

Don't associate us with Sacramento or Fresno. The Bay Area's is its own beast and I will fight for us to be our own category
San Jose has better Pho than Orange County too and I'll fight SoCal people over that