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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:04 am

Insaanistan wrote:
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Who is you guys? I’m agnostic borderline atheist.

Religion rates are falling in the west especially among Gen z.

And most Christians hell of a lot more than Muslims don’t seriously follow their faith or they will not ya know kill someone for a cartoon. Oh and like how your comparing arson to a cartoon.

It is a primitive way of thinking because your “prophets” magic powers are as real as Harry Potter.


So you guys being upset excuses murder? Primitive to the core.


For the last time: I and most Muslims are against the killings! Geez, guys, why is that so hard to understand?


And?

Doesn't change anything anyone here is saying.

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Postby Aclion » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:07 am

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Holy fuck no one is saying every Muslim is an evil terrorist. The victim hood mentality is strong here.

No shit groups and leaders condemned the attack, going mask off is counter productive.

The reason why people say “Muslims” or “Islam” is that large numbers of people who make up that faith will get angry and violent over these cartoon. Even if isnt murder the rage over a cartoon is so primitive.


Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?

Yeah I'd totally start beheading people over that.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 am

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Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?

Yeah I'd totally start beheading people over that.


Oh my-How many times have I said we don’t condone the killings?! Seriously!
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Postby Albionist Great Britain » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
For the last time: I and most Muslims are against the killings! Geez, guys, why is that so hard to understand?


And?

Doesn't change anything anyone here is saying.


There are justifications for these acts in Muslim holy texts. That’s the problem here. That people are following these in an age where it should be unacceptable.

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Postby Echellia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:12 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:
Holy fuck no one is saying every Muslim is an evil terrorist. The victim hood mentality is strong here.

No shit groups and leaders condemned the attack, going mask off is counter productive.

The reason why people say “Muslims” or “Islam” is that large numbers of people who make up that faith will get angry and violent over these cartoon. Even if isnt murder the rage over a cartoon is so primitive.


Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?


People make fun of Jesus and the Virgin Mary all the time and you don't see large numbers of incidents of Christians going out and beheading people and committing acts of terrorism. It happens, yes, but it's nowhere near as common as Islamic terrorist acts.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:13 am

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
And?

Doesn't change anything anyone here is saying.


There are justifications for these acts in Muslim holy texts. That’s the problem here. That people are following these in an age where it should be unacceptable.


Uh, no actually. While the book is used to justify these acts, the verses used are always misquoted and taken out of context to justify these acts.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:15 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Aclion wrote:Yeah I'd totally start beheading people over that.


Oh my-How many times have I said we don’t condone the killings?! Seriously!

Yes but then you and other Muslims always play the “what about” game.

“What about islamaphobia”: while an issue it’s not a prelevant one nor is it reason to kill someone.

“What about the west’s foreign policy: probably your best argument but again most every day people if they had their way would have never intervened in the Middle East.


“bUt hE’s mY PrOpHet” ok and? If Jesus can live with being mocked I’m sure another human with fake magic powers can deal with it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:23 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:
Holy fuck no one is saying every Muslim is an evil terrorist. The victim hood mentality is strong here.

No shit groups and leaders condemned the attack, going mask off is counter productive.

The reason why people say “Muslims” or “Islam” is that large numbers of people who make up that faith will get angry and violent over these cartoon. Even if isnt murder the rage over a cartoon is so primitive.


Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?


Upset enough to murder innocent people it seems.

At least the Charlie hedro attacks were at the right target.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Albionist Great Britain wrote:
There are justifications for these acts in Muslim holy texts. That’s the problem here. That people are following these in an age where it should be unacceptable.


Uh, no actually. While the book is used to justify these acts, the verses used are always misquoted and taken out of context to justify these acts.


To you maybe out of context, enough of the imam's seem to disagree.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 am

Mannixa Prime wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Oh my-How many times have I said we don’t condone the killings?! Seriously!

Yes but then you and other Muslims always play the “what about” game.

“What about islamaphobia”: while an issue it’s not a prelevant one nor is it reason to kill someone.

“What about the west’s foreign policy: probably your best argument but again most every day people if they had their way would have never intervened in the Middle East.


“bUt hE’s mY PrOpHet” ok and? If Jesus can live with being mocked I’m sure another human with fake magic powers can deal with it.


Islamophobia is one of the main things that drives Muslim youth to join ISIS.
Foreign Policy in the Middle East also drives many to extremism.
And that’s why we’re mad. It’s also why we don’t condone the killings.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:25 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:
Holy fuck no one is saying every Muslim is an evil terrorist. The victim hood mentality is strong here.

No shit groups and leaders condemned the attack, going mask off is counter productive.

The reason why people say “Muslims” or “Islam” is that large numbers of people who make up that faith will get angry and violent over these cartoon. Even if isnt murder the rage over a cartoon is so primitive.


Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?

So then go attack completely random unrelated people?
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Again, you guys would be singing a different tune if in the wake of the Norte Dame fire a Muslim made a comment ridiculing the Cathedral and mosques and Islamic schools were displaying it.

Muhammad (pbuh) is dear to us, and you should understand that. We are being primitive, we’re upset at the poking fun at our prophet. Why is that so hard to understand?


Upset enough to murder innocent people it seems.

At least the Charlie hedro attacks were at the right target.


Does my post actually say “are being primitive”?! Oh my God, my phone’s autocorrect sucks. *aren’t. Aren’t being primitive.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:28 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Upset enough to murder innocent people it seems.

At least the Charlie hedro attacks were at the right target.


Does my post actually say “are being primitive”?! Oh my God, my phone’s autocorrect sucks. *aren’t. Aren’t being primitive.


Tbf, on this i share your pain
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Postby Pan Evropa » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:36 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:Yes but then you and other Muslims always play the “what about” game.

“What about islamaphobia”: while an issue it’s not a prelevant one nor is it reason to kill someone.

“What about the west’s foreign policy: probably your best argument but again most every day people if they had their way would have never intervened in the Middle East.


“bUt hE’s mY PrOpHet” ok and? If Jesus can live with being mocked I’m sure another human with fake magic powers can deal with it.


Islamophobia is one of the main things that drives Muslim youth to join ISIS.

If joing violent terrorist groups because people have the audacity to not like your religion is something that is normal in your religious community, I don't think it is Islamophobes that are the problem.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:38 am

Pan Evropa wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Islamophobia is one of the main things that drives Muslim youth to join ISIS.

If joing violent terrorist groups because people have the audacity to not like your religion is something that is normal in your religious community, I don't think it is Islamophobes that are the problem.


Less not liking the religion and more people tearing your mom’s hijab off and screaming at you to go back to where you came from.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:40 am

Mannixa Prime wrote:
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Have you noticed that most Muslims haven’t gone on killing sprees and that Muslim institutes, groups and leaders have already condemned the attacks? No?


Holy fuck no one is saying every Muslim is an evil terrorist. The victim hood mentality is strong here.

No shit groups and leaders condemned the attack, going mask off is counter productive.

The reason why people say “Muslims” or “Islam” is that large numbers of people who make up that faith will get angry and violent over these cartoon. Even if isnt murder the rage over a cartoon is so primitive.

Ya know when people criticize Mussolini the Italians don't start screeching that that criticism is racist against all Italians...just saying.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:42 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Pan Evropa wrote:If joing violent terrorist groups because people have the audacity to not like your religion is something that is normal in your religious community, I don't think it is Islamophobes that are the problem.


Less not liking the religion and more people tearing your mom’s hijab off and screaming at you to go back to where you came from.

So because there are occasional dipshits in a country that justifies going on a murder spree? :eyebrow:
I hate to tell you this buddy but there are assholes in every country, people don't get to become serial killers in response.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:43 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:
Who is you guys? I’m agnostic borderline atheist.

Religion rates are falling in the west especially among Gen z.

And most Christians hell of a lot more than Muslims don’t seriously follow their faith or they will not ya know kill someone for a cartoon. Oh and like how your comparing arson to a cartoon.

It is a primitive way of thinking because your “prophets” magic powers are as real as Harry Potter.


So you guys being upset excuses murder? Primitive to the core.


For the last time: I and most Muslims are against the killings! Geez, guys, why is that so hard to understand?

Because that's your empty and subjective opinion.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:45 am

Genivaria wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Less not liking the religion and more people tearing your mom’s hijab off and screaming at you to go back to where you came from.

So because there are occasional dipshits in a country that justifies going on a murder spree? :eyebrow:
I hate to tell you this buddy but there are assholes in every country, people don't get to become serial killers in response.


Literally nothing I said there justifies it.
But if you take a youth who’s parents come from a different culture
Put them in a country with a different culture
They are unable to fit in well with either
People in the second culture view them with the utmost suspicion
Terrorists preach they follow true Islam and utopia for all Muslims
They preach hate against people in the second culture, many of whom they associate with discrimination
Add hormones to the mix
Possibly add depression to the mix

You get a recipe for possible disastrous radicalization.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:49 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So because there are occasional dipshits in a country that justifies going on a murder spree? :eyebrow:
I hate to tell you this buddy but there are assholes in every country, people don't get to become serial killers in response.


Literally nothing I said there justifies it.
But if you take a youth who’s parents come from a different culture
Put them in a country with a different culture
They are unable to fit in well with either
People in the second culture view them with the utmost suspicion
Terrorists preach they follow true Islam and utopia for all Muslims
They preach hate against people in the second culture, many of whom they associate with discrimination
Add hormones to the mix
Possibly add depression to the mix

You get a recipe for possible disastrous radicalization.

Teenagers being susceptible to radicalization is no surprise, we see it here in the US with the Alt-Right.
Your attempt to paint France as some oppressive regime that has a hand in radicalization is 1 complete nonsense and 2 shameless victim blaming.
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Postby Kausberg » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:00 am

France should stand firm.

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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:26 am

Genivaria wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Literally nothing I said there justifies it.
But if you take a youth who’s parents come from a different culture
Put them in a country with a different culture
They are unable to fit in well with either
People in the second culture view them with the utmost suspicion
Terrorists preach they follow true Islam and utopia for all Muslims
They preach hate against people in the second culture, many of whom they associate with discrimination
Add hormones to the mix
Possibly add depression to the mix

You get a recipe for possible disastrous radicalization.

Teenagers being susceptible to radicalization is no surprise, we see it here in the US with the Alt-Right.
Your attempt to paint France as some oppressive regime that has a hand in radicalization is 1 complete nonsense and 2 shameless victim blaming.[/

I’m not blaming the French people as a whole, or Samuel Paty, or my Christian brothers and sisters who were just murdered. I AM blamin Islamophobes.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:44 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:

Teenagers being susceptible to radicalization is no surprise, we see it here in the US with the Alt-Right.
Your attempt to paint France as some oppressive regime that has a hand in radicalization is 1 complete nonsense and 2 shameless victim blaming.[/

I’m not blaming the French people as a whole, or Samuel Paty, or my Christian brothers and sisters who were just murdered. I AM blamin Islamophobes.


As opposed to blaming the folks committing the atrocities.

Islam needs to clean up its own house, not always blame outsiders.
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Postby Kausberg » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:47 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Teenagers being susceptible to radicalization is no surprise, we see it here in the US with the Alt-Right.
Your attempt to paint France as some oppressive regime that has a hand in radicalization is 1 complete nonsense and 2 shameless victim blaming.[/

I’m not blaming the French people as a whole, or Samuel Paty, or my Christian brothers and sisters who were just murdered. I AM blamin Islamophobes.


As opposed to blaming the folks committing the atrocities.

Islam needs to clean up its own house, not always blame outsiders.

this ^

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:52 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:

Teenagers being susceptible to radicalization is no surprise, we see it here in the US with the Alt-Right.
Your attempt to paint France as some oppressive regime that has a hand in radicalization is 1 complete nonsense and 2 shameless victim blaming.[/

I’m not blaming the French people as a whole, or Samuel Paty, or my Christian brothers and sisters who were just murdered. I AM blamin Islamophobes.

Yes the vague 'Islamaphobes' as opposed to the fucking murderers.
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