Arab boycott on France begins!

[Phoenicaea]

most french goods are not cheap. which money? crass plebs (wealthy close to rulers) can, yet we know even elsewhere they often side with ruler in public, in privacy they buy foreign luxuries delicacies.

[SD_Film Artists]

France should hold firm.

^This. Arab countries criticising France for clamping down on seperatism and extremism says more about those countries than it says about France.

[Risottia]

most french goods are not cheap.

Rénault, Peugeot and Citroën aren't exactly luxury brands.

[Risottia]

Sorry, that's utter bullshit. Muslims in Europe gets exactly the same rights as anyone else. There's the CoE checking over that.

It’s not oppression EVERYWHERE, but some cities or regions restrict Muslim rights (Greece, Slovenia etc.)

Greece and Slovenia are regions now?
Also, what "rights" would be restricted? Because if it's the usual "I got me right to refuse to be identified by police because muh religion" or "I got me right to chop off my boy's dangly bits of skin in my home because muh religion" you are much, much wrong.

[Risottia]

What restrictions, if I may ask? Are they specifically addressed to all Muslims, or more to the ethnicity-specific case?

He might mean the fact some hotels don't specify if meat is pork or not. I've seen some do it in Greece and Italy, though it was like, 6-7 years ago.

OMG I wasn't told that ham is pork meat. OPPRESSION!!! GOVERNMENT-ISSUED OPPRESSION!!! JIHAD!!!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

He might mean the fact some hotels don't specify if meat is pork or not. I've seen some do it in Greece and Italy, though it was like, 6-7 years ago.

OMG I wasn't told that ham is pork meat. OPPRESSION!!! GOVERNMENT-ISSUED OPPRESSION!!! JIHAD!!!

You've got mail-bomb

[Glorious Hong Kong]

First of all, jihad means struggle, not holy war, and the most important jihad in Islam is the daily jihad to be a better person.

I wonder what struggle is in German. I'm reminded of a certain book by a certain leader who did certain things to certain people at a certain point in time...what's it called now...

One of the most vocal nations about the boycott being Pakistan, sounds strident, with some recent news coming from that same place:

Pakistani Christian sentenced to death for ‘blasphemous texts’

Islamabad, Pakistan – A court in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore has sentenced a Christian man to death for having committed “blasphemy”, his lawyer says, in the latest case of Pakistan’s strict religious laws being applied against minorities.

Asif Pervaiz, 37, has been in custody since 2013 when he was accused of having sent “blasphemous” text messages to a former supervisor at work, lawyer Saif-ul-Malook told Al Jazeera.

The court rejected his testimony wherein he denied the charges and sentenced him to death on Tuesday.
“The complainant was a supervisor in a hosiery factory where Asif was working under him,” said Malook.
“He denied the allegations and said that this man was trying to get him to convert to Islam.”
Speaking in his own defence in court earlier in the trial, Pervaiz claimed the supervisor confronted him after he quit work at the factory, and when he refused to convert he was accused of having sent blasphemous text messages to the man.

Blasphemy laws
Those accused under the laws are mainly Muslim, in a country where 98 percent of the population follows Islam, but the laws disproportionately target members of minorities such as Christians and Hindus.

Searching "christian" on aljazeera seems to easily provide many sad examples.

From a pakistani point of view, maybe it's all very normal, they sentence to death people at home, and expect to do the same abroad.
But from a western point of view, it feels very hypocritical, why are they expecting to be treated 'nicely' according to their own expectations, when minorities inside muslim majority nations are treated like subhumans?

ThErE iS nO cOmPuLsIoN iN IsLaM.

I still stand by the belief that the Western world is culturally superior to the Muslim world by leaps and bounds, rivaled only by countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.

Macron seems to be the main target of manifestations in those muslim nations which are protesting.
Which is curious, thinking about it, there doesn't seem to be an attack on the french people, just on Macron. It isn't really a specular reaction, given the various anti-islamic comics did also target common muslims. Curious.

Well, anyway, say hi to devil Macron:

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ammed.html

There were also some posters with a boot stamp over a picture of Macron, in other news reports.
I'm not sure, but do those have to do with muslims not liking shoes, and seeing them a dirty things?

There may be some meaning lost across the cultural barrier.

This poster offends me so deeply I think I'm going to behead some Turks over it. /s

In the while, charlie edbo goes on with the "clever" "satire"

(Image)

Devil Macron was done better than that.

So has the retaliation against the Muslim world kicked in yet?

[Echellia]

Perhaps it's time we started boycotting Islam by no longer allowing such a hateful ideology to become such a large threat in the civilized world.

[Genivaria]

Macron seems to be the main target of manifestations in those muslim nations which are protesting.
Which is curious, thinking about it, there doesn't seem to be an attack on the french people, just on Macron. It isn't really a specular reaction, given the various anti-islamic comics did also target common muslims. Curious.

Well, anyway, say hi to devil Macron:

(Image)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ammed.html

There were also some posters with a boot stamp over a picture of Macron, in other news reports.
I'm not sure, but do those have to do with muslims not liking shoes, and seeing them a dirty things?

There may be some meaning lost across the cultural barrier.

I think I found my new DnD character honestly.
Tiefling businessman makes sense as they get a bonus to charisma.

[Genivaria]

Emmanuel Macron’s approval rating sharply rising amid Charlie Hebdo controversy

He’s suffered from low approval ratings throughout his term, so a rating of 48% is very high for him

I applaud a left or liberal politician who stands firm on the rule of law instead of kow-towing to the people claiming this is somehow Islamaphobic.

[Kowani]

Perhaps it's time we started boycotting Islam by no longer allowing such a hateful ideology to become such a large threat in the civilized world.

"Boycott Islam"

think about that for a second

[The Restored Danelaw]

Perhaps it's time we started boycotting Islam by no longer allowing such a hateful ideology to become such a large threat in the civilized world.

"Boycott Islam"

think about that for a second

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

[Nedvia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54683738

As can be seen in above article, several Arab countries are beginning a boycott on French goods. This happened just shortly after Macron and Erdogan's relationship got spicy, when Erdogan said Macron "needed mental health treatment" and Macron replied by recalling the French ambassador for Turkey. Apparently the reason for their breakup was Macron supporting more secular reforms, which was firmly rejected by Erdogan. Obviously one side or another has to give in first, but who will it be?

So, what does everyone think will happen? Will France succumb under the pressure and go back on its reforms? Will France continue to be stubborn and hold on? Will this make NATO meetings more awkward? Please discuss.

Turks are not Arabs. Generally speaking, the Arab world is less fond of Turkey than they are of any European nation.

[Kowani]

"Boycott Islam"

think about that for a second

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

[The Restored Danelaw]

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

It's... not supposed to be accepted by anyone. That's not how judicial decisions work. It's supposed to be implemented, and it'll take no more than two generations of thorough education for everyone to stop giving it legitimacy by calling it a religion.

[Kowani]

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

It's... not supposed to be accepted by anyone. That's not how judicial decisions work.

You know what delegitimizes courts faster than anything else? Blatantly ideological decisions with no popular support. Even the Islamophobes don't have an appetite for this. Ignoring for a second that anyone trying to argue this would get laughed out of court, any court that came down on this would be ignored at best.

It's supposed to be implemented, and it'll take no more than two generations of thorough education for everyone to stop giving it legitimacy by calling it a religion.

Imagine having to lie to win

[Purpelia]

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

Religions are political ideologies. The only people who disagree are believers that want their special ideology to be something special and get special treatment.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

Religions are political ideologies. The only people who disagree are believers that want their special ideology to be something special and get special treatment.

I'm not talking about religions in general. Islam in particular is a proto-fascisic Arab supremacist ethnic ideology that should be given the same treatment as Nazis and Marxist Leninists by the German Constitutional Court.

[Echellia]

"Boycott Islam"

think about that for a second

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

Exactly!

[Ors Might]

It's easy. Designate it as a political ideology rather than a religion and its texts as hate speech, then persecute its membership to the full effect that Germany does Nazis. In the case of Germany I'm just surprised it's not already, by all logic the very ideology of Islam stands in opposition to the Liberal Democratic Basic Order on every level.

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

Not that I’m advocating treating Islam as one would treat, say, Nazism but the difference between a religion like Islam or Christianity where certainly strong political and legal aspects are present and a political ideology isn’t all that strong. Islam doesn’t straddle that line quite as hard as Confucianism but it certainly could be called a system of religious law, at least.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Religions are political ideologies. The only people who disagree are believers that want their special ideology to be something special and get special treatment.

I'm not talking about religions in general. Islam in particular is a proto-fascisic Arab supremacist ethnic ideology that should be given the same treatment as Nazis and Marxist Leninists by the German Constitutional Court.

IIRC Islam is more an ideology with a theology and clearly outlines what kind of society is ‘Islamic’. It has a personality cult around Mohamet too, and has lines demanding followers love Mohamet more than one’s family and self IIRC.

[Lost Memories]

Except...you know, it is a religion, and there's no real way to designate it as a political ideology that would be accepted by anyone who wasn't already looking to get rid of it anyway-

Not that I’m advocating treating Islam as one would treat, say, Nazism but the difference between a religion like Islam or Christianity where certainly strong political and legal aspects are present and a political ideology isn’t all that strong. Islam doesn’t straddle that line quite as hard as Confucianism but it certainly could be called a system of religious law, at least.

Things like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law

And then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_law
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)

The concept of "separation of church and state" originally meant "mutual non-interference between civil and canon law", before it devolved in the retarded "it means state atheism"

The point stands, religious law and state law are different things, so in the same way, politics over religious law(if there is such) and politics over civil law, are also different things.

So no, religions aren't political ideologies, as much as party politics aren't religions.

[Albrenia]

The concept of "separation of church and state" originally meant "mutual non-interference between civil and canon law", before it devolved in the retarded "it means state atheism"

State atheism is very different from what you have in the US. Letting everyone believe what they want but not to have legal backing for or against beliefs is most certainly not state atheism.

[Aureumterra III]

The concept of "separation of church and state" originally meant "mutual non-interference between civil and canon law", before it devolved in the retarded "it means state atheism"

State atheism is very different from what you have in the US. Letting everyone believe what they want but not to have legal backing for or against beliefs is most certainly not state atheism.

State atheism is the state actively discouraging religion, while secularism is the state not caring about the matter at all

[Nakena]

State atheism is very different from what you have in the US. Letting everyone believe what they want but not to have legal backing for or against beliefs is most certainly not state atheism.

State atheism is the state actively discouraging religion, while secularism is the state not caring about the matter at all

To be fair french laïcité is somewhere between that.