Arab boycott on France begins!

[Pan Evropa]

Your conflating Isreal with all jews. You jumped straight from a comparison of jews, with actions of the state of israel, as a justification of the behavior muslim protesters.

Edit: "companion" sheesh darn spell check.

I’m not actually. Notice I put Jewish in quotes. I don’t believe Zionism represents Judaism, and neither do A LOT of rabbis.

by a lot you mean like 2% of orthodox jews and a vocal minority of liberal jews... but this is beside the point. From a couple of threads I've noticed that your common objection is just "others do it too though!" when the fact is that the scale of Islamic terrorism is much worse than other religions. If you include Israel's alleged abuses then I can start listing in the behaviours of other Islamic countries too, like Saudi Arabia, Like Iran, like Egypt, like Pakistan, like Bahrain, like Bangladesh etc. who do terrible things.

[Neutraligon]

it's like a white guy murdering a bunch of black people and then white people marching saying " Well, I mean, what did they expect?"

No, it’s more like if Jews were protesting after a Jew stabbed an atheist for making fun of Moshe (Moses).

Funny thing, Jews tend not to do that. We don't care f you make fun of him.

[Cordel One]

I’m not actually. Notice I put Jewish in quotes. I don’t believe Zionism represents Judaism, and neither do A LOT of rabbis.

by a lot you mean like 2% of orthodox jews and a vocal minority of liberal jews... but this is beside the point. From a couple of threads I've noticed that your common objection is just "others do it too though!" when the fact is that the scale of Islamic terrorism is much worse than other religions. If you include Israel's alleged abuses then I can start listing in the behaviours of other Islamic countries too, like Saudi Arabia, Like Iran, like Egypt, like Pakistan, like Bahrain, like Bangladesh etc. who do terrible things.

Whataboutism is a fallacy, but I guess you could list them. Other countries in the region being bad doesn't make Israel good. At the end of the day they're still an apartheid state.

Islamic terrorism is not hightened becaus of the religion itself, it's hightened becase the Middle East is unstable. The current instability originated in Cold War proxy wars between the United States (who actually helped fund Al-Quaeda at one point) and the Soviet Union, and after the fall of the USSR the United States continues to prolong the instability there by continuing their endless war. This leads to radicalization as people tend not to be happy with a country that murders their families.

[Albionist Great Britain]

No, it’s more like if Jews were protesting after a Jew stabbed an atheist for making fun of Moshe (Moses).

Funny thing, Jews tend not to do that. We don't care f you make fun of him.

Neither the cult of personality around Muhammad or anything like it is present within Judaism AFAIK. A better comparison would be criticising Kim Il-Sung in North Korea.

[Insaanistan]

Funny thing, Jews tend not to do that. We don't care f you make fun of him.

Neither the cult of personality around Muhammad or anything like it is present within Judaism AFAIK. A better comparison would be criticising Kim Il-Sung in North Korea.

Not even close, because North Koreans see him as God-like, while Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur’ân make I clear Muhammad (pbuh) isn’t god-like. It’s not a personality cult either. He literally repeated stopped people from praising him too much.

[Ostroeuropa]

The west should retaliate. Economic sanctions and close the borders.

[Insaanistan]

The west should retaliate. Economic sanctions and close the borders.

What about all those Western troops in the Middle East and Africa? Do they just abandon American interest or are they locked out of the US?

[The Two Jerseys]

The west should retaliate. Economic sanctions and close the borders.

Smash the oil cartel and the Muslim countries are finished.

[Ostroeuropa]

The west should retaliate. Economic sanctions and close the borders.

What about all those Western troops in the Middle East and Africa? Do they just abandon American interest or are they locked out of the US?

Financial interests being abandoned to pursue geopolitical goal of isolating and crushing the middle east is the point. The troops can be withdrawn.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Whataboutism is a fallacy, but I guess you could list them. Other countries in the region being bad doesn't make Israel good. At the end of the day they're still an apartheid state.

Islamic terrorism is not hightened becaus of the religion itself, it's hightened becase the Middle East is unstable. The current instability originated in Cold War proxy wars between the United States (who actually helped fund Al-Quaeda at one point) and the Soviet Union, and after the fall of the USSR the United States continues to prolong the instability there by continuing their endless war. This leads to radicalization as people tend not to be happy with a country that murders their families.

Israel is not, and has never been, an apartheid state. Nor the actual definition (Minority Rule where the majority are disenfranchised) nor the one that it is used for (nation-state with an actually defined concept for its nationality). It has a lot of problems, but apartheid isn't one of them. With that in mind, no. Islamic Terrorism doesn't exist because the Middle East is unstable. It exists because violence against nonbelievers is a necessary tenet of the religion and Muslims can't actually raise the sort of armies necessary for leading a frontal assault into Europe -or wherever else- and do the job "by the book", and a great many of said Muslims don't even want to do that anymore. The idea that it is in any way related to European-American intervention against genocidal rogue states in the Middle East is just ridiculous at best.

[Phoenicaea]

^better summary is jihad nowadays has been made possible by ignorance and profiting, which then as a landscape not honest policies may favor. you can not say as you tell if you know some history.

muslim sphere has been ahead, more tolerant and sophisticated, than christian sphere for lengthy centuries. part of classics, not at present yet at rebirth, incidently passed through islamic scholars.

[Insaanistan]

Whataboutism is a fallacy, but I guess you could list them. Other countries in the region being bad doesn't make Israel good. At the end of the day they're still an apartheid state.

Islamic terrorism is not hightened becaus of the religion itself, it's hightened becase the Middle East is unstable. The current instability originated in Cold War proxy wars between the United States (who actually helped fund Al-Quaeda at one point) and the Soviet Union, and after the fall of the USSR the United States continues to prolong the instability there by continuing their endless war. This leads to radicalization as people tend not to be happy with a country that murders their families.

Israel is not, and has never been, an apartheid state. Nor the actual definition (Minority Rule where the majority are disenfranchised) nor the one that it is used for (nation-state with an actually defined concept for its nationality). It has a lot of problems, but apartheid isn't one of them. With that in mind, no. Islamic Terrorism doesn't exist because the Middle East is unstable. It exists because violence against nonbelievers is a necessary tenet of the religion and Muslims can't actually raise the sort of armies necessary for leading a frontal assault into Europe -or wherever else- and do the job "by the book", and a great many of said Muslims don't even want to do that anymore. The idea that it is in any way related to European-American intervention against genocidal rogue states in the Middle East is just ridiculous at best.

Violence against people just for being non-Muslims isn’t allowed in Islam. You saying that it is over and over again doesn’t make it true.

[Pan Evropa]

by a lot you mean like 2% of orthodox jews and a vocal minority of liberal jews... but this is beside the point. From a couple of threads I've noticed that your common objection is just "others do it too though!" when the fact is that the scale of Islamic terrorism is much worse than other religions. If you include Israel's alleged abuses then I can start listing in the behaviours of other Islamic countries too, like Saudi Arabia, Like Iran, like Egypt, like Pakistan, like Bahrain, like Bangladesh etc. who do terrible things.

Whataboutism is a fallacy, but I guess you could list them. Other countries in the region being bad doesn't make Israel good. At the end of the day they're still an apartheid state.

Islamic terrorism is not hightened becaus of the religion itself, it's hightened becase the Middle East is unstable. The current instability originated in Cold War proxy wars between the United States (who actually helped fund Al-Quaeda at one point) and the Soviet Union, and after the fall of the USSR the United States continues to prolong the instability there by continuing their endless war. This leads to radicalization as people tend not to be happy with a country that murders their families.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I was being critical of deflecting it by pointing to other groups being bad.

[Pan Evropa]

Israel is not, and has never been, an apartheid state. Nor the actual definition (Minority Rule where the majority are disenfranchised) nor the one that it is used for (nation-state with an actually defined concept for its nationality). It has a lot of problems, but apartheid isn't one of them. With that in mind, no. Islamic Terrorism doesn't exist because the Middle East is unstable. It exists because violence against nonbelievers is a necessary tenet of the religion and Muslims can't actually raise the sort of armies necessary for leading a frontal assault into Europe -or wherever else- and do the job "by the book", and a great many of said Muslims don't even want to do that anymore. The idea that it is in any way related to European-American intervention against genocidal rogue states in the Middle East is just ridiculous at best.

Violence against people just for being non-Muslims isn’t allowed in Islam. You saying that it is over and over again doesn’t make it true.

It isn't allowed in YOUR INTERPRETATION of Islam. Executing people is the penalty for apostasy in the most popular maḏāhib. Stop being so disingenuous.

[Insaanistan]

Violence against people just for being non-Muslims isn’t allowed in Islam. You saying that it is over and over again doesn’t make it true.

It isn't allowed in YOUR INTERPRETATION of Islam. Executing people is the penalty for apostasy in the most popular maḏāhib. Stop being so disingenuous.

From the source I provided, while many do believe in punishing apostates, it’s clustered around places like Afghanistan (and those likely are mainly villagers rather than people in Mazar-e-Sharif or Kabul), while most didn’t support it.

[Pan Evropa]

It isn't allowed in YOUR INTERPRETATION of Islam. Executing people is the penalty for apostasy in the most popular maḏāhib. Stop being so disingenuous.

From the source I provided, while many do believe in punishing apostates, it’s clustered around places like Afghanistan (and those likely are mainly villagers rather than people in Mazar-e-Sharif or Kabul), while most didn’t support it.

The four most prevalent maḏāhib all teach that executing apostates is okay.

[Genivaria]

Neither the cult of personality around Muhammad or anything like it is present within Judaism AFAIK. A better comparison would be criticising Kim Il-Sung in North Korea.

Not even close, because North Koreans see him as God-like, while Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur’ân make I clear Muhammad (pbuh) isn’t god-like. It’s not a personality cult either. He literally repeated stopped people from praising him too much.

None of that makes their comparison invalid considering they're talking about the RESPONSE too criticism.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

[The Two Jerseys]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

Only unpopular in Erdogan's echo chamber.

NATO-backed coup when?

[Albionist Great Britain]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

I’ve nothing much against Turkey as a concept, but the current leadership and trends in Turkey are major no-no’s IMO.

I still want Κωνσταντινούπολη to be Greek again, though.

[Insaanistan]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

I’ve nothing much against Turkey as a concept, but the current leadership and trends in Turkey are major no-no’s IMO.

I still want Κωνσταντινούπολη to be Greek again, though.

I also agree Turkey’s leadership is crap.

Also, what is that? Do you mean Islambol?

[New Steuben]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

Only unpopular in Erdogan's echo chamber.

NATO-backed coup when?

I wish the last coup would have won

[Albionist Great Britain]

Only unpopular in Erdogan's echo chamber.

NATO-backed coup when?

I wish the last coup would have won

Hopefully the next Turkish elections see him out.

[The Two Jerseys]

Only unpopular in Erdogan's echo chamber.

NATO-backed coup when?

I wish the last coup would have won

I maintain it was a false flag operation orchestrated by Erdogan, it was far too incompetent to be a legit military coup.

[Neanderthaland]

Unpopular opinion: Turkey isn’t the problem, Erdogan’s Turkey is

Turkey struggles with itself. On its good days, it's among the most forward-thinking progressive nations in the world.

But... it hasn't had many good days recently.