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Postby Czechostan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:44 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Recently (actually a couple months ago) my mother confronted me and demanded to know whether I was dating this friend of mine who is Croatian or not. Many of you may be wondering why this is an issue. Is said girl a drug addict? Is she mean? Does she have some sort of problem? Well, no, my mom didn't like the idea of me dating her because the girl was Croatian. You see, my mom is one of the few biological racists left. In a day in age when ranking people as inferior or superior based on genetics is seen as taboo, my mom still believes that certain groups are genetically predispositioned to be more or less intelligent. My mother's racial hierarchy divides the world into three baseline "races," those being Caucasian, Black, and East Eurasian. Within those races my mom further subdivides them into subraces, those being Northeast Eurasian, Southeast Eurasian, Turkic Central Asian and Native American for East Eurasians; Nordic, Balto-Slavic and Mediterranean for Caucasians; and East African, Bantu, Khoisan, and Melanesian for black people. Mom views Mediterranean people and Northeast Eurasians as being equally superior to other groups, followed in the second tier by Nordic people, black people as a whole, Southeast Asians, and Native Americans. Her lowest tier on her list consists of Slavs, Magyars, Central Asians of Turkic extraction, Ashkenazi Jews, and East Indians. Whereas mom can show respect and admiration for people and her second tier of the racial hierarchy, she seems to feel nothing but disgust for those in the third tier. Because the girl I was crushing on is Croatian, therefore Slavic, mom was absolutely terrified of "pollution of the genes." I myself have never had an issue with interracial relationships and tbh I've only had two hispanic girlfriends. My other girlfriends were mainly white, black and Arab, and my mom for the most part either tolerated it or in the case of the two Arab girls I dated she was actively pushing me to marry them because "muh genetic superiority." I myself don't believe in biological races or genetic purity so I just don't give a shit, and it isnt even like I'm having kids with these women anyhow.

What is your opinion NSers? Is it acceptable to date those of another ethnicity or "race?" Would your family accept you interracial dating? Is it acceptable in your country? Let me know down below.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't your parents of different ethnic backgrounds? Unfortunate that your mom could still be so upset about race mixing.

Yeah, I share your opinion. There's no such thing as races or genetic purity, so it doesn't make any sense to get wound up about people dating other people of different melanin levels.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:50 pm

Race and ethnicity shouldn't be reasons why you can't be together. But most people end up with people of the same race or cultural background as themselves.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:51 pm

AquilaJordyn wrote:From a biological, genetic perspective, genetic diversity is preferable. If you had a kid, who was 25% European, 25% African, 25% Asian, and 25%, say, Inuit, that kid would be a genetically stronger individual than I am, at 100% European. Not "Superior" but "Stronger" because they would be more well-adapted to all potential threats than I am, and more able to take nutrients from all foods, as they'd have genes from all continents. If anyone was going to survive a mass-extinction event, bet on that kid. According to Ancestry, I'm almost pure French genetically. Unless the next mass extinction event is caused by the Black Plague or requires subsisting entirely on bread and wine, I am doomed.


That is nonsense because both would starve to death given a lack of calories or proper nutrition. True scarcity doesn't care what ancestry you have, but rather- how well you're able to procure your own food and other means for survival such as shelter. Bet instead on whoever is more skilled at hunting/agriculture, if not whoever can socialize better in terms of gaining allies who can help them within the context of a tribe or larger unit.

There is little to no meaningful difference between who can benefit from what foods so far as I can tell, with maybe a few exceptions such as not digesting lactose well. Tomatoes aren't native to Europe but Europeans could still digest tomato products when it finally came to their continent.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 pm

Your mom realises she is descended from blacks herself (just like every other human) and therefor a mixbreed?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:58 pm

Saiwania wrote:My official ruling would be that mixing races is strictly forbidden or should be. It is allowed however, to go with a different ethnicity than yourself- provided they're of the same racial group as yourself. If any prospective offspring will be born with the same skin color as both parents, it is good or meant to be from my standpoint.

There are White people as one race for example, which can be subdivided into the component ethnicities which make it up, or those ethnic groups that have predominately White skin color. The French, Germans, Belgians, Swedes, Russians, Polish, Ukrainians, and etc. A real German or French person in my eyes, is someone with the ancestry/bloodline to back it up. Not merely someone who's a citizen of those countries but isn't actually of descent or origin from either.


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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:00 am

Yes, it is wholly acceptable.

Thankfully people who believes there's something wrong with it are a (hopefully) shrinking minority. There is nothing important to be lost, and a loving relationship to be gained.

Also, I don't mean to be rude, but if I were you I'd ignore what your mum says on racial issues.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:03 am

Albrenia wrote:Thankfully people who believes there's something wrong with it are a (hopefully) shrinking minority. There is nothing important to be lost, and a loving relationship to be gained.


The important thing to be lost are the distinct and visually separate different skin colors. Preserving the natural order with regards to that is what is truly important. Too many people have no appreciation for race and will not understand until perhaps after it is too late.

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Postby Dakran » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:06 am

Saiwania wrote:My official ruling would be that mixing races is strictly forbidden or should be. It is allowed however, to go with a different ethnicity than yourself- provided they're of the same racial group as yourself. If any prospective offspring will be born with the same skin color as both parents, it is good or meant to be from my standpoint.

There are White people as one race for example, which can be subdivided into the component ethnicities which make it up, or those ethnic groups that have predominately White skin color. The French, Germans, Belgians, Swedes, Russians, Polish, Ukrainians, and etc. A real German or French person in my eyes, is someone with the ancestry/bloodline to back it up. Not merely someone who's a citizen of those countries but isn't actually of descent or origin from either.

Well, it's a good thing that people with outdated viewpoints such as yours aren't in positions of power, so people can love who they want without archaic restrictions placed on them for no good reason. People should be allowed to love whomever they wish, as long as its not immoral fuckery like involving someone who's not the age of consent.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:06 am

Saiwania wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Thankfully people who believes there's something wrong with it are a (hopefully) shrinking minority. There is nothing important to be lost, and a loving relationship to be gained.


The important thing to be lost are the distinct and visually separate different skin colors. Preserving the natural order with regards to that is what is truly important. Too many people have no appreciation for race and will not understand until perhaps after it is too late.


It's not 'truly important', it's not even mildly desirable. I don't care what shade future humans are, as long as nobody is killed, mistreated or oppressed to get that way.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:38 am

Saiwania wrote:The important thing to be lost are the distinct and visually separate different skin colors.

That’s not actually important, what is important is the existence of humans as a species, not what color they come in.

Saiwania wrote:Preserving the natural order with regards to that is what is truly important.

“Natural order”, we’re literally the only species that cares this much about what color we are.

Saiwania wrote:Too many people have no appreciation for race and will not understand until perhaps after it is too late.

Too late for what?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:44 am

Saiwania wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Thankfully people who believes there's something wrong with it are a (hopefully) shrinking minority. There is nothing important to be lost, and a loving relationship to be gained.


The important thing to be lost are the distinct and visually separate different skin colors. Preserving the natural order with regards to that is what is truly important. Too many people have no appreciation for race and will not understand until perhaps after it is too late.


No doubt articial skin colouring will become a thing. You can already be orange - would you not like to be purple or blue ?
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Postby Newero » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:50 am

I strongly believe that it should be encouraged, maybe even enforced. You hear a lot of right wingers say "master race" or some shit like that, but the true "master race" is mixed-race, think about it:

• They have better understandings of different cultures
• They're more adaptable to different climates
• Different races have benefits biologically, depending on where you are, so they get the best of both worls
• They have a better immune system, as their ancestors had come across a wider range of diseases
• It is technically impossible for them to be inbred

If this doesn't change the minds of people who are against it, I don't know what will.
Hell, if my family were against me interracial dating, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves (yeah, my relationship with my family is pretty shit, so I don't speak to them)

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:51 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Natural order”, we’re literally the only species that cares this much about what color we are.


Good, I insist that this is how its supposed to be. We're smarter than other animals as a species, so we can decide that tribalist distinctions like skin color matter. Which it does if we want the different skin colors to keep being around. We need to care far more about such matters if we don't want any to become endangered or extinct over the long term.

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Natural order”, we’re literally the only species that cares this much about what color we are.


Good, I insist that this is how its supposed to be. We're smarter than other animals as a species, so we can decide that tribalist distinctions like skin color matter. Which it does if we want the different skin colors to keep being around. We need to care far more about such matters if we don't want any to become endangered or extinct over the long term.

I insist you are a nazi loving fool. Your words are a complete fucking lie and shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Postby Newero » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:13 am

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Good, I insist that this is how its supposed to be. We're smarter than other animals as a species, so we can decide that tribalist distinctions like skin color matter. Which it does if we want the different skin colors to keep being around. We need to care far more about such matters if we don't want any to become endangered or extinct over the long term.

I insist you are a nazi loving fool. Your words are a complete fucking lie and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Agreed.
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Postby The United Confederacy of Texas » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:46 am

Gonna be honest, I'm a celibate schmuck who has never dated before, but I wouldn't give a shit about the ethnicity. On that end, my immediate family's cool with it (my older sister is half-white due to my mom meeting a white guy before she met my dad, said sister is dating a white guy who's chill with the family, and my mom's side has a number of mixed-race relatives, primarily half-black), but my dad's side is very judgmental about dating anyone other than Chicanos and Mexicans (they're immigrants from Mexico) and some of my mom's older relatives are pretty similar about that (case in point, both sides have a tendency of judging my mom for dating and getting knocked up by a white guy and by extension look down on my sister, and one of my mom's aunts refused to let my sister hang out with some of the half-black cousins since she was "too white").

As for your relationship, OP, and don't take this the wrong way, but the train of thought that both your parents have is absolutely ridiculous and shouldn't have any standing with who you go for. Personally, if I was in your shoes, I would do what Resilient Acceleration said regarding their relative and give them an ultimatum if your parents are that willing to interfere with your romantic relationships.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:46 am

Sure. At the systemic level mass immigration and ethnic diversity would ideally reduce because 1. they're products of an unsustainable economic system and 2. they tend to end up in social tensions because of erosion of community and "sense of place", as well as communities tending not to integrate and defining themselves against the host community's culture and history in favour of deepening their loyalty to where they originally came from.

Significant numbers of newcomers nevertheless being a reality in the present, it is a good thing where they marry with people from the host community. This breaks up the ethnic inclaves and dilutes the tendency for communities to define themselves against each other. People who tut about lack of integration can't then condemn race-mixing in relationships without revealing themselves as opportunist hypocrites.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:05 am

Saiwania wrote:Good, I insist that this is how its supposed to be.

Your insistence isn’t fact.

Saiwania wrote:Which it does if we want the different skin colors to keep being around.

There’s no rational reason as to why we should be over completely backwards in order to arbitrarily preserve the existence or prevalence of certain skin colors. Skin colors naturally grow or decrease in prevalence with demographic shifts and changes that have been happening for hundreds of thousands of years, you’re just going to have to live with it. Less white people in the world isn’t going to bring about the apocalypse.

Saiwania wrote:We need to care far more about such matters if we don't want any to become endangered or extinct over the long term.

You’re using speciesist language to refer to the prevalence of skin colors and it’s absolutely stupid. “Endangered” and “extinct” implies there’s an inherent existential threat to skin colors as if they’re a species, which there isn’t and they aren’t, white people likely won’t ever cease to exist and less white people doesn’t make them “endangered”. You’re falsely using words to make an emotional appeal to make a “won’t someone think of the children white people!” argument.
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Postby Newero » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:06 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Good, I insist that this is how its supposed to be.

Your insistence isn’t fact.

Saiwania wrote:Which it does if we want the different skin colors to keep being around.

There’s no rational reason as to why we should be over completely backwards in order to arbitrarily preserve the existence or prevalence of certain skin colors. Skin colors naturally grow or decrease in prevalence with demographic shifts and changes that have been happening for hundreds of thousands of years, you’re just going to have to live with it. Less white people in the world isn’t going to bring about the apocalypse.

Saiwania wrote:We need to care far more about such matters if we don't want any to become endangered or extinct over the long term.

You’re using speciesist language to refer to the prevalence of skin colors and it’s absolutely stupid. “Endangered” and “extinct” implies there’s an inherent existential threat to skin colors as if they’re a species, which there isn’t and they aren’t, white people likely won’t ever cease to exist and less white people doesn’t make them “endangered”. You’re falsely using words to make an emotional appeal to make a “won’t someone think of the children white people!” argument.

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Postby Nejii » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:24 am

I'm a mixed race (predominantly Caucasian) male and my girlfriend is Japanese. We actually met online and discovered that we attend the same college and decided to hang out. After that I asked her out on a date and two dates later we are in a public committed relationship. While we recognize our racial difference and state it as beautiful, we do not overly focus on it or "fetishize" it. We've met each others parents over the course of our relationship and both sets of parents are accepting of and encouraging of our relationship.

Interestingly enough the one's who highlight the difference of our race and just seem so put-off or even bothered by it are "WOKE" millennials and Gen-Z'ers. Ironic I know.

My opinion? We are all human, and as long as you love/care for someone and share the same values, ideals, or are just overall compatible don't let race restrict you. And I say that across the spectrum. That said, while I say interracial relations are a part of humanity and shouldn't be seen as unclean or taboo, they shouldn't be used as a platform for "self-cleansing" or a absolvent from something. Go out with than gorgeous Indian or Brazilian woman because you like or are interested in her, don't do it because some Karen from Princeton says you should.
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Nejii wrote:I'm a mixed race (predominantly Caucasian) male and my girlfriend is Japanese. We actually met online and discovered that we attend the same college and decided to hang out. After that I asked her out on a date and two dates later we are in a public committed relationship. While we recognize our racial difference am state it as beautiful, we do not overly focus on it or "fetishize" it. We've met each others parents over the course of our relationship and both sets of parents are accepting of and encouraging of our relationship.

Interestingly enough the one's who highlight the difference of our race and just seem so put-off or even bothered by it are "WOKE" millennials and Gen-Z'ers. Ironic I know.

My opinion? We are all human, and as long as you love/care for someone and share the same values, ideals, or are just overall compatible don't let race restrict you. And I say that across the spectrum.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:28 am

Nejii wrote:I'm a mixed race (predominantly Caucasian) male and my girlfriend is Japanese. We actually met online and discovered that we attend the same college and decided to hang out. After that I asked her out on a date and two dates later we are in a public committed relationship. While we recognize our racial difference am state it as beautiful, we do not overly focus on it or "fetishize" it. We've met each others parents over the course of our relationship and both sets of parents are accepting of and encouraging of our relationship.


The Japanese government shouldn't allow it if it is within their power to intervene, such as might be the case if she is a citizen of theirs.

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Postby Nejii » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:29 am

Saiwania wrote:
Nejii wrote:I'm a mixed race (predominantly Caucasian) male and my girlfriend is Japanese. We actually met online and discovered that we attend the same college and decided to hang out. After that I asked her out on a date and two dates later we are in a public committed relationship. While we recognize our racial difference am state it as beautiful, we do not overly focus on it or "fetishize" it. We've met each others parents over the course of our relationship and both sets of parents are accepting of and encouraging of our relationship.


The Japanese government shouldn't allow it if it is within their power to intervene, such as might be the case if she is a citizen of theirs.


Pardon me, but Oh hell no.

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Postby Newero » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:32 am

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Nejii wrote:I'm a mixed race (predominantly Caucasian) male and my girlfriend is Japanese. We actually met online and discovered that we attend the same college and decided to hang out. After that I asked her out on a date and two dates later we are in a public committed relationship. While we recognize our racial difference am state it as beautiful, we do not overly focus on it or "fetishize" it. We've met each others parents over the course of our relationship and both sets of parents are accepting of and encouraging of our relationship.


The Japanese government shouldn't allow it if it is within their power to intervene, such as might be the case if she is a citizen of theirs.

Take your hyper-conservative ass somewhere else.
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Capital: Veherentaria | Population: 109,765,000 | Leader: Comrade Thornito Balyshenkonov | Ideology: Anarcho-Jucheism with Secular Lunarpunk, Deep Ecology and LGBTQ+ characteristics | Language: English | IC Year: 2024 (from an alternate timeline that split in 1997)
A 13.5 civilization, according to this index.
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-Ocelot-
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Founded: Jun 14, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:37 am

Wall of text OPs are impossible to read.

What is your opinion NSers? Is it acceptable to date those of another ethnicity or "race?" Would your family accept you interracial dating? Is it acceptable in your country? Let me know down below.


Yes, it should be acceptable. We don't live in the middle ages anymore. Whites are not devils and Blacks are not savages. There is no scientific or medical reason to be against interracial relationships, either. Just do your thing.

With that being said, my family would not accept it and such relationships are shunned in my country, but then again I reside in a backwards Balkan state, so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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