Sudan to normalize relations with Israel

[Echellia]

Really? Then why are there ethnic Europeans, Africans, Arabs, and Asians of different faiths and backgrounds living in the same neighborhoods, befriending each other, and working side by side there? Really, if you ever go to Israel, you will see what I mean.

And if you ever go to the Palestinian territories, you will see what I mean, the Palestinians are kept in high fences and cannot leave their homes without a permit, and are often evicted to make room for Jewish settlers.

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

[Federative States of America]

based

[Punished UMN]

And if you ever go to the Palestinian territories, you will see what I mean, the Palestinians are kept in high fences and cannot leave their homes without a permit, and are often evicted to make room for Jewish settlers.

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

They are lying to you then.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

And if you ever go to the Palestinian territories, you will see what I mean, the Palestinians are kept in high fences and cannot leave their homes without a permit, and are often evicted to make room for Jewish settlers.

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

Palestinians living abroad vs Palestinians living in Palestine.

Hhmmm I wonder who might know more about the issue.

[Echellia]

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

Palestinians living abroad vs Palestinians living in Palestine.

Hhmmm I wonder who might know more about the issue.

They used to live in Palestine

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Likud's national liberalism continues to kill Israel as a nation.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Palestinians living abroad vs Palestinians living in Palestine.

Hhmmm I wonder who might know more about the issue.

They used to live in Palestine

Used to vs still does.

Hhmmmm. Tough call.

[Echellia]

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

They are lying to you then.

Just because your left-wing propaganda doesn't correspond with reality doesn't mean that the facts are lying to you.

[Echellia]

They used to live in Palestine

Used to vs still does.

Hhmmmm. Tough call.

They still have relatives there... relatives that they talk to.

[Vassenor]

That's a lot of stuff they've brought on themselves just by existing.

A lot of it is just propaganda and exaggerations. Israel is just a secular, multicultural democracy trying to defend its people. A people who have been the most persecuted in history.

And remember, the Israeli government would never lie about that to make itself look better.

[Punished UMN]

They are lying to you then.

Just because your left-wing propaganda doesn't correspond with reality doesn't mean that the facts are lying to you.

You've not presented any facts. For all I know you don't know any Palestinians. But I do, my church is primarily made up of Palestinian Christian refugees, and they say the occupation is quite awful, and several say they would support another Pan-Arab war.

[Echellia]

Just because your left-wing propaganda doesn't correspond with reality doesn't mean that the facts are lying to you.

You've not presented any facts. For all I know you don't know any Palestinians. But I do, my church is primarily made up of Palestinian Christian refugees, and they say the occupation is quite awful, and several say they would support another Pan-Arab war.

Then for all I know, you are lying

[Thermodolia]

Arab nations recognizing Israel (a positive development) has much more to do with the current Middle East Cold War than with Donald Trump. Except the UAE, most petromonarchies have some of the most expensive, wasteful and inefficient armies in the world. Meanwhile, Israel, which is just as opposed to Iran as they are, has the most efficient army in the world and very advanced military technology.

Israelis have the right to have a place to live and Israel is not going anywhere. Denying its existance doesn't change the facts in the ground.

Pretty much this. It’s more about the brewing Cold War than anything Trump has done. But it’s also about getting concessions from Israel. Since Arab nations now recognize Israel, Israel has more to lose if they decide to do something stupid like invading Gaza or annexing the West Bank

Basically the Arab world has realized that doing the same old same old hasn’t worked and if they want Israel to change they need to change on some stances

[Thermodolia]

That's on Palestine, not Israel.

The Palestinian territories are occupied by Israel.

And the more Arab nations that recognize Israel the more power they can exert on Israel. Meaning that if Israel doesn’t want to lose its new friends it might want to back off from the West Bank.

In another way the more Arab nations that recognize Israel means we should decrease our aid to Israel as they’ll have less threats

[Thermodolia]

More good news. The sooner all Arab states normalize relations with Israel, the better. Hopfully Kuwait, Jordan or Oman do it next before Saudi Arabia does.

Jordan de facto acknowledges Israel’s existence as does KSA technically

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You've not presented any facts. For all I know you don't know any Palestinians. But I do, my church is primarily made up of Palestinian Christian refugees, and they say the occupation is quite awful, and several say they would support another Pan-Arab war.

Then for all I know, you are lying

You basically just proved his point.

[Punished UMN]

Then for all I know, you are lying

You basically just proved his point.

Exactly. Anecdotes, especially ones of "I know a guy who..." are not accepted as facts for a reason.

[The Restored Danelaw]

You basically just proved his point.

Exactly. Anecdotes, especially ones of "I know a guy who..." are not accepted as facts for a reason.

But... that's also what you have done? Your source lives out of the region, as does Echellia's.

[Punished UMN]

Exactly. Anecdotes, especially ones of "I know a guy who..." are not accepted as facts for a reason.

But... that's also what you have done? Your source lives out of the region, as does Echellia's.

Someone else already posted a real source, if Echellia thinks anecdotes trump that, clearly I should respond with an anecdote.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Exactly. Anecdotes, especially ones of "I know a guy who..." are not accepted as facts for a reason.

But... that's also what you have done? Your source lives out of the region, as does Echellia's.

Yes. That was the point.

*WOOSH*

That's the sound of the point going over your head.

[Aureumterra III]

Disappointing and disgraceful but not surprising. If there's one thing Arab countries are good at, it's throwing other Arabs under the bus.

It’s disappointing to you that Arab countries are treating Israel as a country and not some special entity?

[Vivolkha]

Disappointing and disgraceful but not surprising. If there's one thing Arab countries are good at, it's throwing other Arabs under the bus.

Israel exists, whether you like it or not. That's a fact.

Arabs lost their legitimacy when they resorted to force (repeatedly) and lost badly (repeatedly). If you want to play "might makes right", then accept the consequences.

[The Marlborough]

More good news. The sooner all Arab states normalize relations with Israel, the better. Hopfully Kuwait, Jordan or Oman do it next before Saudi Arabia does.

Jordan has normalized relations with Israel since 1994. They were the second Arab country to do so.

[Kubra]

And if you ever go to the Palestinian territories, you will see what I mean, the Palestinians are kept in high fences and cannot leave their homes without a permit, and are often evicted to make room for Jewish settlers.

Funny you should say that. Here in the US I know of a couple Paletinians and both say that a lot of the stuff said in left-wing propaganda about the occupation are exaggerations or even outright lies.

" I know a guy and he says everythings ok" is one of the world's weakest arguments and you really ought to know that.

[Punished UMN]

Disappointing and disgraceful but not surprising. If there's one thing Arab countries are good at, it's throwing other Arabs under the bus.

Israel exists, whether you like it or not. That's a fact.

Arabs lost their legitimacy when they resorted to force (repeatedly) and lost badly (repeatedly). If you want to play "might makes right", then accept the consequences.

The Israelis were the ones who resorted to force, the Arabs only used force to defend their lands.