Claim on Mozart

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm claiming Mozart. Fuck all y'all

He was a Rojavan?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm claiming Mozart. Fuck all y'all

He was a Rojavan?

He was an esse.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's real name was actually Wolfgang Armadallos Menendez, but the people in charge don't want you to know nothing about that

[Infected Mushroom]

He was a Rojavan?

He was an esse.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's real name was actually Wolfgang Armadallos Menendez, but the people in charge don't want you to know nothing about that

I missed it in school

[Ethel mermania]

Hmmm... sort of but it’s changed a bit

Disappointing. But if it will introduce people to my favorite composer, who am I to complain?

You have never seen it?

[Infected Mushroom]

Disappointing. But if it will introduce people to my favorite composer, who am I to complain?

You have never seen it?

It's a glittering masterpiece =)

Easily a top 10 for me

[Kandorith]

This thread was inspired by Amadeus the movie.

*does the laugh*

While the film takes some great creativity in parts of his life, it is a very good glimpse at the life Mozart had. The dark and sad setting makes it even better and of course the plays, THE PLAYS!

[Ifreann]

Why do you believe he has to be one of the two when it's been explained to you quite clearly that he wasn't either? There was no nation of Germany at the time, and Salzburg wasn't part of Austria.

There wasn't a modern nation state but the Germanic and Austrian cultures, or at least their pre-modern equivalents were around

And you're asking us to associate Mozart with one of the two modern nation states, for some reason. Which is nonsense.

Also, if you add the theoretical sum total of all pro-German and pro-Austrian arguments, I don't believe they can be completely and exactly equal in their respective totalities. One must be greater, however, marginally.

You can't sum arguments, they aren't numbers.

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Salzburg was an independent Prince-Archbisophric of the Holy Roman Empire when Mozart was born there. Mozart is no more an Austrian national than he is a citizen of the EU.

I mean, no one is saying he has an Austrian passport or that the UN was around at the time, but culturally and so forth if we had to categorise...

We don't. We know where he was born and we know the political status of that place at that time.

[Ethel mermania]

There wasn't a modern nation state but the Germanic and Austrian cultures, or at least their pre-modern equivalents were around

And you're asking us to associate Mozart with one of the two modern nation states, for some reason. Which is nonsense.

Also, if you add the theoretical sum total of all pro-German and pro-Austrian arguments, I don't believe they can be completely and exactly equal in their respective totalities. One must be greater, however, marginally.

You can't sum arguments, they aren't numbers.

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I mean, no one is saying he has an Austrian passport or that the UN was around at the time, but culturally and so forth if we had to categorise...

We don't. We know where he was born and we know the political status of that place at that time.

We also know the cultural milieu he lived in. The cities and places he lived, who his friends and enemies were.

We know Mostly Mozart

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA

[The Restored Danelaw]

He's German for the same reason Hitler is seen as 'German' even though he wasn't born in Germany. Austrian culture did not exist as a distinct-from-German entity until far after Mozart's death, and "Austria" at the time was only a component of a "German Nation" in the Holy Roman Empire. Sidenote, Napoleon is French not because Corsica is French now (Corsica was part of France when Napoleon was born) but because he identified as a Frenchman and served as (to a definition of the word) France's Head of State for like 16 years, which is only slightly less than one-third of the time he was alive.

[FutureAmerica]

He was an ethnic German that lived in Vienna. This is only because he was great. Ask this, was Hitler a German or Austrian.

[Infected Mushroom]

What would Mozart think of modern music?

Would it be considered an abomination?

[Infected Mushroom]

This thread was inspired by Amadeus the movie.

*does the laugh*

While the film takes some great creativity in parts of his life, it is a very good glimpse at the life Mozart had. The dark and sad setting makes it even better and of course the plays, THE PLAYS!

The actor who played the Austrian emperor was also very good

[Ethel mermania]

What would Mozart think of modern music?

Would it be considered an abomination?

I more wonder what kind of music would mozart make today, with all the electronic tools in his hands.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Mozart was black. Change my mind

[Borderlands of Rojava]

What would Mozart think of modern music?

Would it be considered an abomination?

I think Mozart would love power metal, with its classical influence.

[Geneviev]

What would Mozart think of modern music?

Would it be considered an abomination?

I don't think so. He probably wouldn't like Top 40 music, though.

[Auzkhia]

Mozart was black. Change my mind

No, but van Beethoven was.

What would Mozart think of modern music?

Would it be considered an abomination?

I don't think so. He probably wouldn't like Top 40 music, though.

Maybe he would, considering K. 231 (K. 382c)

[Geneviev]

I don't think so. He probably wouldn't like Top 40 music, though.

Maybe he would, considering K. 231 (K. 382c)

My second favorite canon, after K. 559a (O du eselhafter Peierl). But the lyrics aren't what I think he would dislike in Top 40 music. It would be the lack of music.

[Auzkhia]

Maybe he would, considering K. 231 (K. 382c)

My second favorite canon, after K. 559a (O du eselhafter Peierl). But the lyrics aren't what I think he would dislike in Top 40 music. It would be the lack of music.

Pop music needs more notes!

[Geneviev]

My second favorite canon, after K. 559a (O du eselhafter Peierl). But the lyrics aren't what I think he would dislike in Top 40 music. It would be the lack of music.

Pop music needs more notes!

Chords. It needs more than three chords. Please.

[Baltenstein]

Let's hear what another famous Austrian musician has to say on the matter.

Yes, Salzburg is part of the modern Republic of Austria, which has existed since the collapse of the Habsburg Monarchy;

ACTUALLY, the modern Republic of Austria has existed since 1945, following the collapse of another state.

I know it's nit-picking, but how often does one get to correct Arch

[Disgraces]

Germany since he considered himself german

[Novus America]

Was Mozart Austrian or German?

Yes

This. Because Austrians are mostly ethnic Germans, and the two were not considered in any way mutually exclusive during his time, this would apply. He would be both. Obviously he was not a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, or current Republic of Austria, but it is silly to assume that you have to be a citizen of the current Republics (which obviously did not even exist in Mozart’s time) to be ethnically German or that the modern Federal Republic of Germany has exclusive claim to all ethnic Germans who lived the past.

Trying to impose the post WWII conception on him is completely anachronistic.

[Novus America]

Germany since he considered himself german

He considered himself and ethnic German, yes. But that would not preclude him being Austrian, which is overwhelmingly ethnically German.

He could obviously be both.

[Disgraces]

Germany since he considered himself german

He considered himself and ethnic German, yes. But that would not preclude him being Austrian, which is overwhelmingly ethnically German.

He could obviously be both.

It'd be like France claiming Gardel because he was born there