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Is religion bad for society?「Yes or No」

Yes: Religion is inherently bad by its very nature due to values and behaviours promoted, and therefore the existence of religion is generally a negative for society.
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13%
Yes: Religion is neutral by itself, but religious institutions are more harmful than helpful as can be seen in history.
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22%
Maybe: Religion is neutral by itself, as are religious institutions. One would need to judge by each religion and institution, and to judge religion as a whole is not possible.
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29%
No: Religion is neutral by itself, but religious institutions are more helpful than harmful, as can be seen in history.
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9%
No: Religion is inherently good by its very nature due to values and behaviours promoted, and therefore the existence of religion is generally a positive for society.
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24%
No Comment: I believe I may be too involved or invested, I lack the ability to make a decision, or my opinion is not fully formed.
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Total votes : 259

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Postby Aeritai » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:35 pm

Western Theram wrote:
Xykonero wrote:This we should agree on though, the worst religions are the Abrahamic ones.


absolutely they are the biggest religions and are constantly at war with eachother despite believing in the same god
religion is unnecessarily complicated "god loves everyone unconditionally but under certain conditions" "love thy neighbor, except the gays, the witches, the slaves, believers of others faiths" of course its not just them as all religions are prone to terrorism like the fascist monks in india who despite claiming to be buddhists are very violent towards muslims in their community


You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:35 pm

Nuroblav wrote:
Western Theram wrote:absolutely they are the biggest religions and are constantly at war with eachother despite believing in the same god
religion is unnecessarily complicated "god loves everyone unconditionally but under certain conditions" "love thy neighbor, except the gays, the witches, the slaves, believers of others faiths" of course its not just them as all religions are prone to terrorism like the fascist monks in india who despite claiming to be buddhists are very violent towards muslims in their community

As someone who grew up a bit around Catholicism (although I myself am not), I wouldn't say it quite to that extent (e.g. CCC still calls for gays to be loved as any other. Then again it makes you wonder why they felt the need to single it out if that were the case). But there's definitely some areas in Christianity, and pretty much most religions, who do have that problem.


I grew up catholic and left the church after reading about the child sex abuse. What kind of hypocrites condemn two men getting married while helping grown men rape little boys and get away with it?
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Postby Atheris » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:35 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Western Theram wrote:
absolutely they are the biggest religions and are constantly at war with eachother despite believing in the same god
religion is unnecessarily complicated "god loves everyone unconditionally but under certain conditions" "love thy neighbor, except the gays, the witches, the slaves, believers of others faiths" of course its not just them as all religions are prone to terrorism like the fascist monks in india who despite claiming to be buddhists are very violent towards muslims in their community


You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead

"We"? Not all Christians are anti-LGBT.
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Postby Xykonero » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:36 pm

Baloo Kingdom wrote:
Xykonero wrote:Well then, I just can't wait to burn for eternity in the afterlife. Gotta enjoy life while it lasts lol.

That can be fixed easily, thats the whole point of Christianity

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:36 pm

By itself? Probably not. When used without interfering with other people’s lives? It’s ok. With a corrupt human element however? It can be devastating.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:36 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Western Theram wrote:
absolutely they are the biggest religions and are constantly at war with eachother despite believing in the same god
religion is unnecessarily complicated "god loves everyone unconditionally but under certain conditions" "love thy neighbor, except the gays, the witches, the slaves, believers of others faiths" of course its not just them as all religions are prone to terrorism like the fascist monks in india who despite claiming to be buddhists are very violent towards muslims in their community


You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead


And what's wrong with being gay?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:37 pm

Atheris wrote:
Cokoland wrote:I don't think so you can still belive in the christian god while also respecting gay people its not like you’re forced to.

Hell, you can be Christian and in the LGBT+ community.

...Huh? You need an example?

You're lookin' at him, bub.


Just curious, do you think your church treats you differently from the other LGBQT because you are asexual?
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:37 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Western Theram wrote:
absolutely they are the biggest religions and are constantly at war with eachother despite believing in the same god
religion is unnecessarily complicated "god loves everyone unconditionally but under certain conditions" "love thy neighbor, except the gays, the witches, the slaves, believers of others faiths" of course its not just them as all religions are prone to terrorism like the fascist monks in india who despite claiming to be buddhists are very violent towards muslims in their community


You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead


Why do you disagree with them?
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These are a few of my favourite things

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Postby Baloo Kingdom » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:38 pm

Xykonero wrote:
Baloo Kingdom wrote:That can be fixed easily, thats the whole point of Christianity

Nah, SODOMY, BLASPHEMY & ADULTERY 4 LIFE! At least I'll be dead and won't feel any pain.

Thats not how it works buddy...you clearly don't understand the fundamentals of true Christianity
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:38 pm

yes. religion is a net negative. you don't need a sky daddy to tell you that killing and raping is wrong, all you need is a sense of morality that hasn't been completely fucked over by centuries of a culture that thought that pregnant women drinking alcohol is good for the baby.
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Postby Aeritai » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:38 pm

Atheris wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead

"We"? Not all Christians are anti-LGBT.


I know that.... That's why I said not all Christians hate gay people.
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Postby Xykonero » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:38 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
You do know that not all Christians hate gays right? Sure we might disagree with them, but I don't hate them enough that I want them dead


And what's wrong with being gay?

Exactly. Can't say it's "unnatural", because that is untrue.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:39 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Atheris wrote:Hell, you can be Christian and in the LGBT+ community.

...Huh? You need an example?

You're lookin' at him, bub.


Just curious, do you think your church treats you differently from the other LGBQT because you are asexual?

Nope. I don't go to church, and there's not a centralized Protestant one for me to answer to.

That being said, if any church I go treats me differently because I'm asexual or treats other LGBT+ people differently because of their orientation, they can take the fucks I had left for their institution and shove them.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:39 pm

Broader Confederate States wrote:
yes. religion is a net negative. you don't need a sky daddy to tell you that killing and raping is wrong, all you need is a sense of morality that hasn't been completely fucked over by centuries of a culture that thought that pregnant women drinking alcohol is good for the baby.


Lol the American way.
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Postby Cokoland » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:39 pm

Atheris wrote:
Cokoland wrote:I don't think so you can still belive in the christian god while also respecting gay people its not like you’re forced to.

Hell, you can be Christian and in the LGBT+ community.

...Huh? You need an example?

You're lookin' at him, bub.

Yeah i saw people that were christian while also being in the LGBT+
Is not like we are in the crusade times anymore
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Postby Disgraces » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Xykonero wrote:ADULTERY 4 LIFE!

Cringe, again.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Atheris wrote:"We"? Not all Christians are anti-LGBT.


I know that.... That's why I said not all Christians hate gay people.

Yeah, but you say "we might disagree with them" like every Christian disagrees with the LGBT+ community. You might want to use better words in the future.

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Postby Nuroblav » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I grew up catholic and left the church after reading about the child sex abuse. What kind of hypocrites condemn two men getting married while helping grown men rape little boys and get away with it?

My reason was just general disagreement with a few of the Church's views, as well as the eschatology part which I began to realise was taking a fairly large toll on mental health. But yeah, that came as a surprise.
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Broader Confederate States wrote:
yes. religion is a net negative. you don't need a sky daddy to tell you that killing and raping is wrong, all you need is a sense of morality that hasn't been completely fucked over by centuries of a culture that thought that pregnant women drinking alcohol is good for the baby.


Lol the American way.

i don't disagree, but i was referring to medieval italy.
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Postby THE Grob » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

It's not religion itself that's the problem most of the time. It's how the people who follow that religion portray and act on that religion's behalf.
Religion is only bad for society when people use the name of faith to commit sinful acts. That is my stance.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Cokoland wrote:
Atheris wrote:Hell, you can be Christian and in the LGBT+ community.

...Huh? You need an example?

You're lookin' at him, bub.

Yeah i saw people that were christian while also being in the LGBT+
Is not like we are in the crusade times anymore


Some Christians are tolerant. Others? Not so much.
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Postby Xykonero » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Baloo Kingdom wrote:
Xykonero wrote:Nah, SODOMY, BLASPHEMY & ADULTERY 4 LIFE! At least I'll be dead and won't feel any pain.

Thats not how it works buddy...you clearly don't understand the fundamentals of true Christianity

"true Christianity"
Christianity is Christianity.
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A cosy but powerful nation on the terraformed moon.
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A 10.25 civilization, according to this index.
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Postby Atlantarctica » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:41 pm

Xykonero wrote:
Baloo Kingdom wrote:Thats not how it works buddy...you clearly don't understand the fundamentals of true Christianity

"true Christianity"
Christianity is Christianity.

Please, Xyko. Please tell us that this is all just an elaborate joke that you've set up. We're waiting for the punchline.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:41 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:By itself? Probably not. When used without interfering with other people’s lives? It’s ok. With a corrupt human element however? It can be devastating.


At what point, then, does it become corrupt? Some might argue that there is corrupt human elements when organisation happens.
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Postby Baloo Kingdom » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:42 pm

Xykonero wrote:
Baloo Kingdom wrote:Thats not how it works buddy...you clearly don't understand the fundamentals of true Christianity

"true Christianity"
Christianity is Christianity.

This is exactly what what I was referring to
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