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Japan to release 1m tonnes of contaminated Fukushima water i

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:32 pm
by Shanghai industrial complex
Japan’s government has reportedly decided to release more than 1m tonnes of contaminated water from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into the sea, setting it on a collision course with local fishermen who say the move will destroy their industry.

Media reports said work to release the water, which is being stored in more than 1,000 tanks, would begin in 2022 at the earliest and would take decades to complete.

The Asahi newspaper reported that any such release is expected to take at around two years to prepare, as the site’s irradiated water first needs to pass through a filtration process before it can be further diluted with seawater and finally released into the ocean.

In 2018, Tokyo Electric apologised after admitting its filtration systems had not removed all dangerous material from the water, collected from the cooling pipes used to keep fuel cores from melting when the plant was crippled.

It has said it plans to remove all radioactive particles from the water except tritium, an isotope of hydrogen that is hard to separate and is considered to be relatively harmless.

By the way, scientists believe that the water will reach the west coast of the United States through ocean currents

https://gcaptain.com/japan-to-release-fukushimas-nuclear-wast-water-into-sea/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/japan-to-release-1m-tonnes-of-contaminated-fukushima-water-into-the-sea#:~:text=Japan's%20government%20has%20reportedly,move%20will%20destroy%20their%20industry.
http://www.allgov.com/usa/ca/news/calif ... ews=852554

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:34 pm
by Albrenia
Releasing 1000 tanks worth of radioactive water into the ocean probably wouldn't destroy the fishing industry. It's not ideal obviously, though.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:08 pm
by Heloin
Sounds like a none issue that won't affect much to any statistical degree but is being overblown because of the word nuclear.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:14 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2
Japan should take a leaf from its whaling industry and ship the contaminated water to the Antarctic Wildlife Reserve. :eyebrow:

I shouldn't say that, they actually might. Fishermen in Japan have similar clout to the Oil industry in the US. Bad for the fish, bad for Japan, so fuck you whale!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:26 pm
by The Black Forrest
There is a Godzilla joke in there somewhere.....

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:34 pm
by Rusozak
Not sure how marine life would be affected, but it sounds like you could swim in this water worry-free. Doesn't sound too dangerous.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:11 pm
by The Lone Alliance
Well realistically they can't just store the water indefinitely I mean after enough years of filteration and natual half-life decay some of it should be okay.

PS: How many points does China give you for making this thread OP?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:18 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2
The Black Forrest wrote:There is a Godzilla joke in there somewhere.....


*giant nuclear dinosaur rises from the sea*

Japan: Oh no, it's the Americans again!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:19 pm
by Mushet
Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:22 pm
by Neanderthaland
Mushet wrote:Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.

Hell of an energy drink.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:28 pm
by Albrenia
Mushet wrote:Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.


Do you want to get X-men? Because that's how you get X-men.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:28 pm
by Farnhamia
Neanderthaland wrote:
Mushet wrote:Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.

Hell of an energy drink.

They could mix in something that will glow and create a new festival.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:29 pm
by Cordel One
Mushet wrote:Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.

People would absolutely drink them

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:34 pm
by Heloin
Farnhamia wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Hell of an energy drink.

They could mix in something that will glow and create a new festival.

You push a button
Turn a dial
Your work is done for miles and miles
When it hits it's bound to shake
'Cause it feels just like an earthquake

That's the drink that you don't pour
When you take one sip you won't need anymore
You're small as a beetle
Or big as a whale
Boom
Atomic Cocktail

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:14 pm
by Nouveau Yathrib
Cordel One wrote:
Mushet wrote:Maybe they can sell it in commemorative vials, as fucked up as it is people would buy it.

People would absolutely drink them


I can see some some shady fuark seeling them on the deep web as a snake oil immune supplement.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:19 pm
by Parxland
Bad decision.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:31 pm
by Sarderia
Parxland wrote:Bad decision.

Not always. Radioactive atoms has a half-life that would basically decrease its effects (including harmful ones). If they deemed it safe enough, then it theoretically could be released into the ocean without causing significant ecological upset.

It is, however, not responsible to dump your wastes into the sea, be it radioactive, or simple things like a plastic bottle.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:37 pm
by Neanderthaland
Part of Japan's ongoing war against sea life.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:38 pm
by Heloin
Parxland wrote:Bad decision.

Hardly. It's probably cleaner then your drinking water once it's been cleaned and is ready to be dumped.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:55 pm
by Aclion
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well realistically they can't just store the water indefinitely I mean after enough years of filteration and natual half-life decay some of it should be okay.

PS: How many points does China give you for making this thread OP?

I do wonder why they don't just allow it to evaporate and then store the resulting waste as low grade nuclear waste

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:58 pm
by Valrifell
Aclion wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well realistically they can't just store the water indefinitely I mean after enough years of filteration and natual half-life decay some of it should be okay.

PS: How many points does China give you for making this thread OP?

I do wonder why they don't just allow it to evaporate and then store the resulting waste as low grade nuclear waste


Because that's not how water contaminated with fallout works. Instead of evaporating around the waste, the particles would ride with the vapor into the air, which is perhaps worse.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:10 pm
by Aclion
Valrifell wrote:
Aclion wrote:I do wonder why they don't just allow it to evaporate and then store the resulting waste as low grade nuclear waste


Because that's not how water contaminated with fallout works. Instead of evaporating around the waste, the particles would ride with the vapor into the air, which is perhaps worse.
boo
Naughty stowaways

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:13 pm
by Eukaryotic Cells
Strange, because the fishing industry is huge in Japan. You'd think that if they objected over potential reputational damage, the government would opt not to release the water.

How serious is the contamination and how effective are the proposed mitigation measures?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:14 pm
by Albrenia
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Strange, because the fishing industry is huge in Japan. You'd think that if they objected over potential reputational damage, the government would opt not to release the water.

How serious is the contamination and how effective are the proposed mitigation measures?


The ocean is really big, and the dumping is going to be over the span of years, so even someone like me who isn't quite convinced nuclear energy is the clean energy that a lot of people tout it as doubts that the dumping will do much damage.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:26 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2
Aclion wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Well realistically they can't just store the water indefinitely I mean after enough years of filteration and natual half-life decay some of it should be okay.

PS: How many points does China give you for making this thread OP?

I do wonder why they don't just allow it to evaporate and then store the resulting waste as low grade nuclear waste


Hmm. Tritium was mentioned: that would be bound up in water molecules, as any free hydrogen would have escaped.

So that's probably why. Otherwise an elegant solution.