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Postby Tagorford » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:25 pm

This whole thread reeks of non-PC viewpoints.

I think it’s simply racist and disrespectful and promotes anti-Asian sentiment and violence against asians. All nations should be helping fight this pandemic and finding together.If you can’t rise above your hatred and bigotry,God help you.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:25 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:My point was that people were calling it the Chinese virus at the beginning without that having racist connotations. When the culture war people started problematising it they constructed this particular word usage as the symbolic ground through which to criticise anti-Chinese racist sentiment and as a way to identify people who believe the Bad Thing. And then most leftists stopped using it, while the free-speech crowd and populist-style patriots dug their heels in. Which in turn "proved" the point of the liberals that said group are racists because they're using the forbidden word.

In reality, where Chinese and other Asian people are getting beaten up it isn't because of this word choice. It is because it has been slotted into the wider narratives and the context of the cultural rivalry with China, as well as a natural psychological reaction from scared people who have seen the virus coming in from outside and are blaming the outsiders for the problem rather than the system of globalisation because that's a bit more complicated and also gives them iPhones.


To be honest the only people I've ever heard use the term were Trump and his fanbase. I never used it, nor heard anyone not deep in the Trump camp use it, even before people started whining about its usage.

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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:27 pm

I don't necessarily think it's racist, but it's clearly trying to deflect criticism of a poor response on the part of the administration.
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Postby Skyhooked » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:29 pm

With all those PC aspects, rather strict local policies and controversies, I'd rather call corona "Bat Virus", after all, there is a legend, that it was brought by a badly cooked bat. Besides, there are instances of some influenza strains being called after animals, like "Swine flu" or "Bird Flu".
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:31 pm

Skyhooked wrote:I'd rather call corona "Bat Virus", after all, there is a legend, that it was brought by a badly cooked bat.


Actually I heard it was from a pangolin being used as folk medicine.

Don't do folk medicine kids. Talk to a doctor instead.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:32 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:I'd rather call corona "Bat Virus", after all, there is a legend, that it was brought by a badly cooked bat.


Actually I heard it was from a pangolin being used as folk medicine.

Don't do folk medicine kids. Talk to a doctor instead.


Some say bat, others pangolin. All I know is that we shouldn’t eat animals that are infection vectors for us.
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Postby Skyhooked » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:33 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Actually I heard it was from a pangolin being used as folk medicine.

Don't do folk medicine kids. Talk to a doctor instead.


Provided ya' live in a place and conditions, where ya' can afford one, or perhaps make it to one. Or both.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:33 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Actually I heard it was from a pangolin being used as folk medicine.

Don't do folk medicine kids. Talk to a doctor instead.


Provided ya' live in a place and conditions, where ya' can afford one, or perhaps make it to one. Or both.


China has actual doctors. There's no excuse for anyone living there to do folk medicine.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:35 pm

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China has actual doctors. There's no excuse for anyone living there to do folk medicine.


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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:35 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:
Provided ya' live in a place and conditions, where ya' can afford one, or perhaps make it to one. Or both.


China has actual doctors. There's no excuse for anyone living there to do folk medicine.

Rural poverty, superstition...
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:35 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Skyhooked wrote:
Provided ya' live in a place and conditions, where ya' can afford one, or perhaps make it to one. Or both.


China has actual doctors. There's no excuse for anyone living there to do folk medicine.

Rural poverty, superstition...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:36 pm

Kowani wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
China has actual doctors. There's no excuse for anyone living there to do folk medicine.

Rural poverty, superstition...


Superstition is big dumb. And poverty needs to be alleviated.

How are you gonna call yourself a communist country and do fuck all about poverty? I mean really China
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:36 pm

The best stupid name for Coronavirus is Winnie the Flu. At least it sticks it directly in the eye of the CCP, instead of tarring an entire people.

It's still stupid as fuck, but at least it actually attacks the right entity and is mildly amusing.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:38 pm

Didn't Trump ask why it's called Corona and say "corona is Italy. This is the China virus."

Thats some stupid shit. Especially since corona is Mexican.
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Postby Odreria » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:40 pm

Because it sounds like a pathetic attempt teenagers make to sound like a mildly racist boomer.
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Postby Skyhooked » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:40 pm

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Superstition is big dumb. And poverty needs to be alleviated.

How are you gonna call yourself a communist country and do fuck all about poverty? I mean really China


Powerty is only a part of thing. There is also such thing as coverage and infrastructure. But this is not a case. The corona started in Wuhan, a city, not some faraway middle of nowhere.

(Well, If it actually started in the middle of nowhere, rather than a city, we wouldn't have all this shit now.)
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:41 pm

Why are non-issues such as these used as stupid wedge issues for people who love to moan about nothing?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:41 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Why are non-issues such as these used as stupid wedge issues for people who love to moan about nothing?


Because it serves some to keep the pot stirred.
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Postby Geneviev » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:42 pm

Because it is racist. That's about all there is to it.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:43 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Didn't Trump ask why it's called Corona and say "corona is Italy. This is the China virus."

Thats some stupid shit. Especially since corona is Mexican.

I mean, this is the guy who pronounced Yosemite as "YO-se-MIGHT" and "YO-sem-mi-NIGHT".

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:44 pm

On the side issue of Chinese Folk Medicine, my main problem with it is that it involves doing horrible things to endangered species in a lot of cases for no real effect on the sick person beyond the Placebo effect.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:45 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Didn't Trump ask why it's called Corona and say "corona is Italy. This is the China virus."

Thats some stupid shit. Especially since corona is Mexican.

I mean, this is the guy who pronounced Yosemite as "YO-se-MIGHT" and "YO-sem-mi-NIGHT".


Trump when his best Jewish friend shows up to his birthday party: "Yo Semite"
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:45 pm

Albrenia wrote:On the side issue of Chinese Folk Medicine, my main problem with it is that it involves doing horrible things to endangered species in a lot of cases for no real effect on the sick person beyond the Placebo effect.


The way to solve the issue of folk medicine is education. Too many East Asian countries do not emphasise critical thinking, and so people just listen to the prevailing attitudes.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm

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The actions of some Chinese people. Saying that Chinese people in general are the reason it spread is racist, especially when the target is like second or third generation Asian Americans including people who aren't even Chinese.

No it's not, racists were going to be racist no matter what anyone called anything and pretending that denying basic realities would have prevented anti-Asian people from harboring anti-asian sentiments is asinibe.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:52 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:The way to solve the issue of folk medicine is education. Too many East Asian countries do not emphasise critical thinking, and so people just listen to the prevailing attitudes.

There's plenty of education going on in China. The government has spent decades supporting traditional chinese medicine for a mix of preserving their cultural identity and having insufficient access to real medicine.
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