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Did the police act properly in tasering fan running onto field?

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 04, 2010 9:11 pm

Newmanistan wrote:If they always do this, there would be far less idiots running out on the field.

Well done; Go Phillies!

Why would you get rid of the only interesting thing in baseball? :D
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Postby Wiztopia » Tue May 04, 2010 9:12 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Well, Jeez, otherwise he'd of hadda shoot the guy, right?


Well it's a shock he didn't confuse his taser for a gun. They like to claim that a lot.

NSG just can't get enough of those puns can they...


Holy shit. I actually missed that. That was completely unintentional.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 04, 2010 9:20 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Well, Jeez, otherwise he'd of hadda shoot the guy, right?


Well it's a shock he didn't confuse his taser for a gun. They like to claim that a lot.

NSG just can't get enough of those puns can they...


Holy shit. I actually missed that. That was completely unintentional.

Thats why I bolded it :P
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Postby Natapoc » Tue May 04, 2010 9:21 pm

It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 04, 2010 10:16 pm

Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 04, 2010 10:17 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?

all authority is illegitimate. ;)
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Postby Wiztopia » Tue May 04, 2010 10:33 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Well, Jeez, otherwise he'd of hadda shoot the guy, right?


Well it's a shock he didn't confuse his taser for a gun. They like to claim that a lot.

NSG just can't get enough of those puns can they...


Holy shit. I actually missed that. That was completely unintentional.

Thats why I bolded it :P


The thing is, I probably would have made that pun on purpose if I thought of it. :P

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Postby JuNii » Tue May 04, 2010 10:36 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?

because, if you look carefully, he was heading towards Home Plate. had he actually did slide into home plate before being tasered, he would've been safe and not called out!
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Postby Natapoc » Tue May 04, 2010 10:38 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone? Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 04, 2010 10:43 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...
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Postby Natapoc » Tue May 04, 2010 10:48 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.
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Postby Objectivist Aynrandia » Tue May 04, 2010 10:50 pm

Chicago Blackhawk wrote:Absolutely. Not all fans running on the field are harmless. I had the misfortune of witnessing this one live.

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Tom Gamboa was seriously injured in this incident by the two drunk hooligans.


For anyone unfamiliar with the incident, Gamboa was the first-base coach for the Royals. He never even saw his attackers; the father-son duo attacked him from behind. One apparently had a pocket knife, although it wasn't used in the attack.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/09/19/royals_whitesox_ap/

Security and police cannot know the intentions of a fan running onto the field, and he might have had a knife or gun. Use of a taser, while a bit harsh, would be preferable to a serious on-field tragedy.

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Postby The REAL Glasers » Tue May 04, 2010 10:50 pm

I don't really approve of tasing, but it's somewhat justified considering he was evading security, and from what I heard, managed to shed a tackle or two. Also, given history, it was a responsible decision.

Now if only we had fit security guards.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Tue May 04, 2010 10:52 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.


Well, he was advised not to do it, and no one had anyway of knowing what he was doing, especially after the somewhat recent incident where a Royals player was attacked by a drunk duo.
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Postby Ryadn » Tue May 04, 2010 10:55 pm

Fans don't actually run onto baseball fields all that much. I've only been to one game where it happened. A very enthusiastic lady really wanted Mark Mulder to give her a hug. He backed away and cowered (all 6'5" of him) until the police escorted her off.

And usually incidents are just like that, but there's always the risk of a Martina Hingas.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 04, 2010 10:57 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

Its not punishment, its a takedown maneuver, you could hardly argue thats its unusual, given the widespread usage.

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.

You can't know that, although I realize I'm sitting on a slippery slope, I'd say the difference is that he was violating property, and thus already harming people (as I outlined), and capable and willing of breaking more laws.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 04, 2010 10:59 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone? Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.


It doesn't matter if the guy was causing damage or not. He was not supposed to be on the field during the game, therefore it was within the officer's duties to arrest him. Attempts to arrest him without tasering him were made, but he was resisting arrest by evading police and security.
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Postby JuNii » Tue May 04, 2010 11:02 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.


did you see how the taser was used? the umpire/security guard grabbed him as soon as he was down, which kinda indicates that the current was off. so we are talking a half second jolt... enough to have him go down. you seen how quickly he was cuffed and escorted off right?

how is the way that taser was used cruel and unusual punishment?
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Postby North Suran » Tue May 04, 2010 11:21 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Coccygia wrote:Well, Jeez, otherwise he'd of hadda shoot the guy, right?


Well it's a shock he didn't confuse his taser for a gun. They like to claim that a lot.

NSG just can't get enough of those puns can they...


Holy shit. I actually missed that. That was completely unintentional.

You managed to make a pun inadvertently. That is truly stunning.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 05, 2010 2:49 am

Intestinal fluids wrote:During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?


No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?
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Postby Wiztopia » Wed May 05, 2010 2:52 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

Its not punishment, its a takedown maneuver, you could hardly argue thats its unusual, given the widespread usage.

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.

You can't know that, although I realize I'm sitting on a slippery slope, I'd say the difference is that he was violating property, and thus already harming people (as I outlined), and capable and willing of breaking more laws.


Who exactly did he harm?

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:53 am

Wiztopia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

Its not punishment, its a takedown maneuver, you could hardly argue thats its unusual, given the widespread usage.

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.

You can't know that, although I realize I'm sitting on a slippery slope, I'd say the difference is that he was violating property, and thus already harming people (as I outlined), and capable and willing of breaking more laws.


Who exactly did he harm?

No one due to them subduing him in time... :eyebrow:

but if you mean economically... everyone.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:55 am

Risottia wrote:
Intestinal fluids wrote:During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?


No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

This is America. And they failed to tackle him several times, apparently... sigh.
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Postby Wiztopia » Wed May 05, 2010 3:02 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Natapoc wrote:It is wrong. And yet another example of our sliding into a police state.


He was not supposed to be on the playing field during the game, thus he was trespassing. Add to that, he was resisting arrest. How exactly is tasing someone for trespassing and resisting arrest sliding into a police state?


Was the guy running across the field causing damage to anyone?

yes, he damaged the productivity of someone's property, thats hurting them and everyone in society .

Taser's are dangerous weapons which have caused over 300 deaths and should ONLY be used in cases where the officer would have had to fire his gun otherwise.

I don't think you can reasonably say they're as dangerous as guns...


Tazers are cruel and unusual punishment when used in this way (in my opinion)

Its not punishment, its a takedown maneuver, you could hardly argue thats its unusual, given the widespread usage.

No one was in danger of because of this person and just letting the crazy guy run would have been best.

You can't know that, although I realize I'm sitting on a slippery slope, I'd say the difference is that he was violating property, and thus already harming people (as I outlined), and capable and willing of breaking more laws.


Who exactly did he harm?

No one due to them subduing him in time... :eyebrow:

but if you mean economically... everyone.


So you mean nobody at all?

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Postby Chicago Blackhawk » Wed May 05, 2010 11:45 am

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