Police taser fan running onto baseball field

[Dyakovo]

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing?

No, but then I have better ways to waste my time then watching baseball...

Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Meh.

[Gun Manufacturers]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Sure it does. The kid was trespassing, resisting arrest, and security/the cops didn't know the kid's intentions.

[Farnhamia]

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing?

No, but then I have better ways to waste my time then watching baseball...

Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Meh.

Eeek! Communist!

[Gun Manufacturers]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Good mindset. Obey or suffer!

The stadium is private property, and the stadium owners can impose on the people there any legal restrictions they choose. One of those is not running on the field during the game. Check here: http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/ph ... uide.jsp#r Under Rules Relating to Guest Conduct,the ABCs of Guest Conduct.

ABCs of Guest Conduct - Guests must refrain from conduct that is inconsistent with the fun, family atmosphere that should prevail at Citizens Bank Park and the Citizens Bank Park experience, including but not limited to: interfering with other guests' ability to enjoy the game; using foul or abusive language or gestures; appearing to be in a drunken or diminished capacity; failure to produce a ticket on request or sitting in a seat which is not ticketed; possession of balloons, beach balls, nets or laser pointers; interfering with a ball in play; and throwing objects on or entering the playing field. Violators are subject to ejection and possible arrest.

[Lackadaisical2]

Actually, tasers aren't really any more dangerous than walking down a staircase; unless the victim is high, very very drunk, or has a specific medical condition. Common misconception...

Walking down a staircase? So it doesn't inflict any pain at all? Plus walking down the stairs wont be able to kill you. Unless your stairs have mines on them.
It would also be nice if you provided a source.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/law_roundup/article_a81a48a6-08ab-11df-b5db-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-dies-after-falling-down-sydney-sex-club-stairs-20100325-qx4z.html

It'd be more interesting to see someone support the claim that these are so dangerous...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Analysis

I count 23 attributed to the taser.

[Gun Manufacturers]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Why not? Use of a taser when someone is resisting arrest is valid. They had already attempted to apprehend him without it, so what were they supposed to do? Just say "Good show, you got away?"

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing? Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Security/the cops can't take the chance of another incident like what happened to Tom Gamboa.

[Farnhamia]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Why not? Use of a taser when someone is resisting arrest is valid. They had already attempted to apprehend him without it, so what were they supposed to do? Just say "Good show, you got away?"

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing? Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Security/the cops can't take the chance of another incident like what happened to Tom Gamboa.

I daresay fans have jumped the fences onto the field since 2002 and not been tased.

[Natapoc]

Actually, tasers aren't really any more dangerous than walking down a staircase; unless the victim is high, very very drunk, or has a specific medical condition. Common misconception...

Walking down a staircase? So it doesn't inflict any pain at all? Plus walking down the stairs wont be able to kill you. Unless your stairs have mines on them.
It would also be nice if you provided a source.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/law_roundup/article_a81a48a6-08ab-11df-b5db-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-dies-after-falling-down-sydney-sex-club-stairs-20100325-qx4z.html

It'd be more interesting to see someone support the claim that these are so dangerous...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Analysis

I count 23 attributed to the taser.

The 23 number is false (may be based on a very old source). Between 2001 and 2008 there were at least 334 people who died after being struck with tasers in the US.

The report “USA: Less than lethal?” is being published as the number of people who died after being struck by Tasers in the USA reached 334 between 2001 and August 2008.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/pre ... k-20081216

Since that report was between 2001 and 2008 I would not be surprised if the number has climbed to 400.

[Gun Manufacturers]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Why not? Use of a taser when someone is resisting arrest is valid. They had already attempted to apprehend him without it, so what were they supposed to do? Just say "Good show, you got away?"

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing? Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Security/the cops can't take the chance of another incident like what happened to Tom Gamboa.

I daresay fans have jumped the fences onto the field since 2002 and not been tased.

And your point? Tasing him allowed them to quickly apprehend him and make sure nothing happened to the players and coaches on the field. What would people say if he attacked a player or coach and the officer had a taser, but didn't use it? I bet a lot of people would blame the officer for failing to use his taser to protect the player or coach.

[Farnhamia]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Why not? Use of a taser when someone is resisting arrest is valid. They had already attempted to apprehend him without it, so what were they supposed to do? Just say "Good show, you got away?"

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing? Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Security/the cops can't take the chance of another incident like what happened to Tom Gamboa.

I daresay fans have jumped the fences onto the field since 2002 and not been tased.

And your point? Tasing him allowed them to quickly apprehend him and make sure nothing happened to the players and coaches on the field. What would people say if he attacked a player or coach and the officer had a taser, but didn't use it? I bet a lot of people would blame the officer for failing to use his taser to protect the player or coach.

My point is, it was unnecessary in this situation. If he had attacked a player or coach then yes, it would have been justified, but the kid was running around on the field.

[Gun Manufacturers]

During a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game, as occurs almost every day in a televised sporting event, a fan ran out onto the field. The police tasered him right on the field. Did the police do the right thing?

No. Couldn't they just tackle him rugby-style?

They tried. Apparently, tackling this guy was like nailing jello to the wall.

But this happens all the time in baseball. All of a sudden we're tasering 17-year-old kids? And because the cops couldn't catch him? I have to say, though, given the action shot of the kid and the cop I've seen, that cop couldn't catch me and I'm really old and slow.

If the kid didn't want to be tasered, maybe he shouldn't have run onto the field, or evaded security/the cops.

Absolutely, the kid was an idiot. That still doesn't justify tasering him.

Why not? Use of a taser when someone is resisting arrest is valid. They had already attempted to apprehend him without it, so what were they supposed to do? Just say "Good show, you got away?"

Have you ever seen anyone get away with that sort of thing? Running back into the stands would have landed him in the arms of other cops, and eventually, like in a couple of minutes, he'd probably have given up. As I said, people do this all season long and don't get tased. I think the cops were embarrassed over not being able to catch him right away.

Security/the cops can't take the chance of another incident like what happened to Tom Gamboa.

I daresay fans have jumped the fences onto the field since 2002 and not been tased.

And your point? Tasing him allowed them to quickly apprehend him and make sure nothing happened to the players and coaches on the field. What would people say if he attacked a player or coach and the officer had a taser, but didn't use it? I bet a lot of people would blame the officer for failing to use his taser to protect the player or coach.

My point is, it was unnecessary in this situation. If he had attacked a player or coach then yes, it would have been justified, but the kid was running around on the field.

As I've said before, security/the officers had no idea what this kid's intentions were. Also, if the kid wasn't resisting arrest (by evading), he wouldn't have been tasered.

[Dyakovo]

My point is, it was unnecessary in this situation. If he had attacked a player or coach then yes, it would have been justified, but the kid was running around on the field.

Seriously? Your argument against the use of the taser is "Well, thanks to him being apprehended (through the use of a taser) before he had an opportunity to cause actual physical harm, the use of a taser is unjustified"?

[Farnhamia]

My point is, it was unnecessary in this situation. If he had attacked a player or coach then yes, it would have been justified, but the kid was running around on the field.

Seriously? Your argument against the use of the taser is "Well, thanks to him being apprehended (through the use of a taser) before he had an opportunity to cause actual physical harm, the use of a taser is unjustified"?

No, my argument is that since he didn't attack anyone before they tasered him, it was excessive. They had other ways to apprehend him. Police and security personnel should be trained to evaluate a situation. A kid running around on the field is different from the two yahoos in 2002 who jumped out of the stands and immediately set upon that coach. And do you really think the players on the field couldn't have stood off that 17-year-old until the cops got there? But hey, maybe they should put up screens all around the field, not just behind home plate. That would end the debate, if nothing else.

[Fartsniffage]

Seriously? Your argument against the use of the taser is "Well, thanks to him being apprehended (through the use of a taser) before he had an opportunity to cause actual physical harm, the use of a taser is unjustified"?

Have you ever broken the law? Something minor, a traffic violation say?

[Dyakovo]

My point is, it was unnecessary in this situation. If he had attacked a player or coach then yes, it would have been justified, but the kid was running around on the field.

Seriously? Your argument against the use of the taser is "Well, thanks to him being apprehended (through the use of a taser) before he had an opportunity to cause actual physical harm, the use of a taser is unjustified"?

No, my argument is that since he didn't attack anyone before they tasered him, it was excessive.

In other words, yes, I pretty much nailed your argument.

[Dyakovo]

Seriously? Your argument against the use of the taser is "Well, thanks to him being apprehended (through the use of a taser) before he had an opportunity to cause actual physical harm, the use of a taser is unjustified"?

Have you ever broken the law? Something minor, a traffic violation say?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Fartsniffage]

What does that have to do with anything?

Quite simple really, the kid broke a minor law and was electrocuted based on what he might have done. By your logic you should have been treated in a similar way for any minor law you have broken based on what you might have done.

[Dyakovo]

What does that have to do with anything?

Quite simple really, the kid broke a minor law and was electrocuted based on what he might have done. By your logic you should have been treated in a similar way for any minor law you have broken based on what you might have done.

He resisted arrested. If I was to resist arrest I wouldn't be surprised if I got tasered. Breaking the law has consequences.

[Union Soviet Socialist]

Was Sir Dumbass soppose to be on the field, no.
Did the policeman say stop, I believe so.
Were any laws broken, No.

So how was this improper. This is what will happen when some idiot starts running through a football field with a professinal game going, if I recall the last time this happened that the idiot got body slammed by a football player and was hurt fairly well.

So I say that this was the least amount of damage that would have been dealt to him since his judgment was so severly impaired to do so.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What does that have to do with anything?

Quite simple really, the kid broke a minor law and was electrocuted based on what he might have done. By your logic you should have been treated in a similar way for any minor law you have broken based on what you might have done.

He broke one law (trespassing, for running onto the playing field), then broke another law by resisting arrest (by evading security and the police). Resisting arrest is probably the reason he was tasered.

[Fartsniffage]

He resisted arrested. If I was to resist arrest I wouldn't be surprised if I got tasered. Breaking the law has consequences.

So we're back to the whole"Do what I say bitch or you get whatever's coming to you" schtick.

If someone is waving a weapon or violently resisting then I can see the justification. Being able to run too fast for security just means you need to put your security on a diet.

[Flameswroth]

If someone is waving a weapon or violently resisting then I can see the justification. Being able to run too fast for security just means you need to put your security on a diet.

But what about during the interim? Clearly putting Officer Blackm'n on P90x and a diet isn't gonna work overnight. Do you just allow violations, so long as the perpetrator is faster than your security?

If so, maybe we can get them 4 wheelers or segues or something. That could work...

[Dyakovo]

If someone is waving a weapon or violently resisting then I can see the justification. Being able to run too fast for security just means you need to put your security on a diet.

But what about during the interim? Clearly putting Officer Blackm'n on P90x and a diet isn't gonna work overnight. Do you just allow violations, so long as the perpetrator is faster than your security?

Apparently...

[Lackadaisical2]

Actually, tasers aren't really any more dangerous than walking down a staircase; unless the victim is high, very very drunk, or has a specific medical condition. Common misconception...

Walking down a staircase? So it doesn't inflict any pain at all? Plus walking down the stairs wont be able to kill you. Unless your stairs have mines on them.
It would also be nice if you provided a source.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/law_roundup/article_a81a48a6-08ab-11df-b5db-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-dies-after-falling-down-sydney-sex-club-stairs-20100325-qx4z.html

It'd be more interesting to see someone support the claim that these are so dangerous...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Analysis

I count 23 attributed to the taser.

The 23 number is false (may be based on a very old source). Between 2001 and 2008 there were at least 334 people who died after being struck with tasers in the US.

The report “USA: Less than lethal?” is being published as the number of people who died after being struck by Tasers in the USA reached 334 between 2001 and August 2008.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/pre ... k-20081216

Since that report was between 2001 and 2008 I would not be surprised if the number has climbed to 400.

No, its based on the cause of death actually being tasered, as opposed to coincidental (which is your 334, my site cites the amnesty report...)

[Dyakovo]

Actually, tasers aren't really any more dangerous than walking down a staircase; unless the victim is high, very very drunk, or has a specific medical condition. Common misconception...

Walking down a staircase? So it doesn't inflict any pain at all? Plus walking down the stairs wont be able to kill you. Unless your stairs have mines on them.
It would also be nice if you provided a source.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/law_roundup/article_a81a48a6-08ab-11df-b5db-001cc4c03286.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-dies-after-falling-down-sydney-sex-club-stairs-20100325-qx4z.html

It'd be more interesting to see someone support the claim that these are so dangerous...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Analysis

I count 23 attributed to the taser.

The 23 number is false (may be based on a very old source). Between 2001 and 2008 there were at least 334 people who died after being struck with tasers in the US.

The report “USA: Less than lethal?” is being published as the number of people who died after being struck by Tasers in the USA reached 334 between 2001 and August 2008.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/pre ... k-20081216

Since that report was between 2001 and 2008 I would not be surprised if the number has climbed to 400.

No, its based on the cause of death actually being tasered, as opposed to coincidental (which is your 334, my site cites the amnesty report...)

Well obviously if you get tasered and then die the fault is the taser...