2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[New haven america]

1. Doesn't matter. Vote.
2. Nope, even if they could it'd be political suicide. Vote.
3. The system:

Th Electoral Colleges into account the amount of Congress members a state has and uses that number as the State's Vote (Representatives+Senators+State's Vote). In order to win the Presidency a candidate must get (Currently) 270 State Votes out of 538 Votes in order to become President. This is decided by who wins the PV of each state, in which the chosen electors will then vote for the President themselves based on who the state picked (However, if the chosen electors decide to, they can vote against the wishes of the state, but this is illegal to do in half the country and political suicide in the other).

This leads to the conundrum where Presidents can win the Presidency without winning the Popular Vote, only the Electoral College and this has happened 4 times (John Quincey Adams doesn't count IMO because that whole election was fucked). These Presidents include: Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.

So yes it's important to vote, because the population of a state deciding to be apathetic is how we got Bush and Trump.

1. I'm not allowed to vote.
2. See above.
3. I still maintain that this system is fucking stupid

1. If you're 18 years or older you can, and registration takes 5 minutes.
2. It is horrendously stupid, and the Dems want to get rid of it, which is why it's so important to get Dems into Congress and The Presidency.

[San Lumen]

Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but was 2016 record setting for voter turnout? Because I often hear the Hillary didn't get nearly as many votes as Obama, and she won the popular vote by several million votes, so... the math doesn't quite add up.

No it wasn't not by a long shot. The all time winner for turnout is 1876 when 81.8 percent voted.

[Bombadil]

1. I'm not allowed to vote.
2. See above.
3. I still maintain that this system is fucking stupid

To be honest I find it hard to believe your not allowed to vote. Unless your a convicted felon in some states or incarcerated you can vote.

Or from Guam or Washington DC or underage..

[Telconi]

California not existing at the time is completely irrelevant, and the point still stands. It ensures that states with not as much of a population have a voice, same as the senate.

Btw, equating everything with racism and slavery is just not good strategy, because it's absurd. So let's not do that.

That is not why it was created. That it is a relic of slavery and the Founding Fathers wanting a check on the people is historical fact. There was no other purpose. To say otherwise is revisionist history.

Do you have an actual explanation as to how a system which weakened the federal influence of some more populous states is a "Relic of Slavery" despite having nothing to do with slavery?

[New haven america]

1. Doesn't matter. Vote.
2. Nope, even if they could it'd be political suicide. Vote.
3. The system:

Th Electoral Colleges into account the amount of Congress members a state has and uses that number as the State's Vote (Representatives+Senators+State's Vote). In order to win the Presidency a candidate must get (Currently) 270 State Votes out of 538 Votes in order to become President. This is decided by who wins the PV of each state, in which the chosen electors will then vote for the President themselves based on who the state picked (However, if the chosen electors decide to, they can vote against the wishes of the state, but this is illegal to do in half the country and political suicide in the other).

This leads to the conundrum where Presidents can win the Presidency without winning the Popular Vote, only the Electoral College and this has happened 4 times (John Quincey Adams doesn't count IMO because that whole election was fucked). These Presidents include: Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.

So yes it's important to vote, because the population of a state deciding to be apathetic is how we got Bush and Trump.

Gonna point to record voter turnout in 2016 again. Chill with that.

It's not like the US voter population grows by like 5-15 million every couple of years or something...

[San Lumen]

To be honest I find it hard to believe your not allowed to vote. Unless your a convicted felon in some states or incarcerated you can vote.

Or from Guam or Washington DC or underage..

You can vote in DC you just dont have a voting representative in Congress.

[Bombadil]

Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but was 2016 record setting for voter turnout? Because I often hear the Hillary didn't get nearly as many votes as Obama, and she won the popular vote by several million votes, so... the math doesn't quite add up.

No it wasn't not by a long shot. The all time winner for turnout is 1876 when 81.8 percent (of men) voted.

Slight fix.

[Cultural Posadism]

Who wins this election won't change anything.

The real problem for the United States is that ordinary Americans bear the cost of American hegemony, but the benefits of American hegemony are reaped by big companies and big capitalists.

Young people who cannot afford school loans join the army to fight for oil companies and dollars，

Ordinary Americans bear high medical insurance costs to ensure that large medical companies have enough money and experimental materials to support technological leadership

Even Trump did not care about bringing work back to the U.S. from the trade war, but to ensure the technological leadership and patent protection of U.S. companies. His trade agreement was merely to further expand the power and profitability of U.S. companies overseas. The more he signed A trade agreement will further help American companies transfer jobs.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how four more years of Trump makes the dawn of the socialist workers' paradise more likely than four years of Biden would. Me, I'm a socialist anti-Republican. I vote for the candidate most likely to defeat any Republican who is running. In 2020, for President, that's Biden, QED.

Yeah, as valid as left-wing criticisms of Biden and the Democratic Party are, anybody who thinks a Trump win would be more desirable for an eventual socialist victory is making the same mistake that Western and Central European communists made in the early 20th century. A severe crisis caused by the contradictions of capitalism and liberal democracy doesn't just naturally lead to socialist revolutions.

[Torisakia]

1. I'm not allowed to vote.
2. See above.
3. I still maintain that this system is fucking stupid

To be honest I find it hard to believe your not allowed to vote. Unless your a convicted felon in some states or incarcerated you can vote.

Take your pick.

1. I'm not allowed to vote.
2. See above.
3. I still maintain that this system is fucking stupid

1. If you're 18 years or older you can, and registration takes 5 minutes.
2. It is horrendously stupid.

And the Dems want to get rid of it, which is why it's so important to get Dems into Congress and The Presidency.

That's 5 minutes too long, honestly. I can do a lot in that 5 minutes. Also I plan to leave the country sometime within the next 4 years anyway so whether or not me voting or not voting completely fucks the US (which is impossible to do given that it's already fucked beyond all repair) is no skin off my nose.

[San Lumen]

No it wasn't not by a long shot. The all time winner for turnout is 1876 when 81.8 percent (of men) voted.

Slight fix.

Yes this is true but in terms of registered voters 1876 is the all time winner.

[US-SSR]

Since everyone else did it I finally did it. I've gone through every poll and while I may be overly optimistic I think you'll all agree with my decision making.

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Good. Very good... Ireland shall rule the world after all...

God created whiskey lest the Irish take over the world...

[San Lumen]

To be honest I find it hard to believe your not allowed to vote. Unless your a convicted felon in some states or incarcerated you can vote.

Take your pick.

1. If you're 18 years or older you can, and registration takes 5 minutes.
2. It is horrendously stupid.

And the Dems want to get rid of it, which is why it's so important to get Dems into Congress and The Presidency.

That's 5 minutes too long, honestly. I can do a lot in that 5 minutes. Also I plan to leave the country sometime within the next 4 years anyway so whether or not me voting or not voting completely fucks the US (which is impossible to do given that it's already fucked beyond all repair) is no skin off my nose.

Im not going to speculate but its unlikely your in prison.

[Torisakia]

Take your pick.


That's 5 minutes too long, honestly. I can do a lot in that 5 minutes. Also I plan to leave the country sometime within the next 4 years anyway so whether or not me voting or not voting completely fucks the US (which is impossible to do given that it's already fucked beyond all repair) is no skin off my nose.

Im not going to speculate but its unlikely your in prison.

I am in prison. It's the prison called "life".

[Albrenia]

Im not going to speculate but its unlikely your in prison.

I am in prison. It's the prison called "life".

Hey, me too!

[Ranoria]

Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but was 2016 record setting for voter turnout? Because I often hear the Hillary didn't get nearly as many votes as Obama, and she won the popular vote by several million votes, so... the math doesn't quite add up.

It was indeed, yes.

2008	229,945,000	57.1%
2012	235,248,000	54.9%
2016	250,056,000	55.5%

Obama won in a landslide in 2008, with 365 electoral votes and 69 mil popular, (10 mil more than friggin dirty McCain) and then 332/65,446,032(beat Romney by about 5 mil),in 2012. Hillary's margins in the popular vote are adorable by comparison. Hillary got 65,845,063 to Trump's 62,980,160.

So Hillary got more than Obama's 2012 reelection (albeit barely), not as many as he did in 2008. But her margins weren't even close.

EDIT for note: this is all per 270 to win.

[San Lumen]

Im not going to speculate but its unlikely your in prison.

I am in prison. It's the prison called "life".

Ok and if you haven't committed certain crimes you therefore can vote unless your underage. I therefore don't buy your not allowed to vote.

[Telconi]

Im not going to speculate but its unlikely your in prison.

I am in prison. It's the prison called "life".

We're all here though.

[New haven america]

To be honest I find it hard to believe your not allowed to vote. Unless your a convicted felon in some states or incarcerated you can vote.

Take your pick.

1. If you're 18 years or older you can, and registration takes 5 minutes.
2. It is horrendously stupid.

And the Dems want to get rid of it, which is why it's so important to get Dems into Congress and The Presidency.

1. That's 5 minutes too long, honestly. 2. I can do a lot in that 5 minutes. 3. Also I plan to leave the country sometime within the next 4 years anyway so whether or not me voting or not voting completely fucks the US (which is impossible to do given that it's already fucked beyond all repair) is no skin off my nose.

1. This apathy is what got Trump and Bush into office.
2. Like register to vote.
3. Most countries have banned Americans from traveling to them because of how Trump is handling the pandemic.

[Telconi]

I am in prison. It's the prison called "life".

Ok and if you haven't committed certain crimes you therefore can vote unless your underage. I therefore don't buy your not allowed to vote.

This just in, Lumen doesn't believe children exist.

[San Lumen]

Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but was 2016 record setting for voter turnout? Because I often hear the Hillary didn't get nearly as many votes as Obama, and she won the popular vote by several million votes, so... the math doesn't quite add up.

It was indeed, yes.

2008	229,945,000	57.1%
2012	235,248,000	54.9%
2016	250,056,000	55.5%

Obama won in a landslide in 2008, with 365 electoral votes and 69 mil popular, (10 mil more than friggin dirty McCain) and then 332/65,446,032(beat Romney by about 5 mil),in 2012. Hillary's margins in the popular vote are adorable by comparison. Hillary got 65,845,063 to Trump's 62,980,160.

So Hillary got more than Obama's 2012 reelection (albeit barely), not as many as he did in 2008. But her margins weren't even close.

Are we talking number of people who voted or percent of those registered who turned out? If its the latter 1876 is the all time winner for percent at 81.8.

[US-SSR]

And yet you want to make Jeff Sessions your write in.

I was very pleased by his work while in the Senate and as AG; he took a principled stand in many instances, ultimately leading to his termination and probably the end of the political career. I may not agree with him on everything, but I can respect his character and we do have shared interests.

He implemented policies that tore babies from their mothers' arms, over 500 of whom are yet to be reunited. He should be sentenced to work to reunite those families until the last case is closed, along with his catamite Stephen Miller.

[San Lumen]

Ok and if you haven't committed certain crimes you therefore can vote unless your underage. I therefore don't buy your not allowed to vote.

This just in, Lumen doesn't believe children exist.

I didn't say that.

[Ranoria]

It was indeed, yes.

2008	229,945,000	57.1%
2012	235,248,000	54.9%
2016	250,056,000	55.5%

Obama won in a landslide in 2008, with 365 electoral votes and 69 mil popular, (10 mil more than friggin dirty McCain) and then 332/65,446,032(beat Romney by about 5 mil),in 2012. Hillary's margins in the popular vote are adorable by comparison. Hillary got 65,845,063 to Trump's 62,980,160.

So Hillary got more than Obama's 2012 reelection (albeit barely), not as many as he did in 2008. But her margins weren't even close.

Are we talking number of people who voted or percent of those registered who turned out? If its the latter 1876 is the all time winner for percent at 81.8.

Number of people. Obviously. Even 2008 has a higher percentage, but when you have a record voter turnout by 15 million, it's just irrational to say that 'voter apathy' got Trump into office.

Edit: Another note: Our population increased by about 9.2 mil between 2012 and 2016. 14.5 mil between the years that would have correlated to people becoming eligible to vote between 2012 and 2016. So no on voter apathy.

[Albrenia]

Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but was 2016 record setting for voter turnout? Because I often hear the Hillary didn't get nearly as many votes as Obama, and she won the popular vote by several million votes, so... the math doesn't quite add up.

It was indeed, yes.

2008	229,945,000	57.1%
2012	235,248,000	54.9%
2016	250,056,000	55.5%

Obama won in a landslide in 2008, with 365 electoral votes and 69 mil popular, (10 mil more than friggin dirty McCain) and then 332/65,446,032(beat Romney by about 5 mil),in 2012. Hillary's margins in the popular vote are adorable by comparison. Hillary got 65,845,063 to Trump's 62,980,160.

So Hillary got more than Obama's 2012 reelection (albeit barely), not as many as he did in 2008. But her margins weren't even close.

EDIT for note: this is all per 270 to win.

Oh hey, thanks. So it was record setting in numbers alone, but not percentages. I did not know that.

[US-SSR]

So when will the results be out?

Georgia polls close at 7 pm EST, North Carolina at 7:30 and Florida at 8. If any of those goes blue it's over.