2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Geneviev]

You can always consider Biden.

The Trump administration has definitely been a disappointment, and voting Biden would contribute to getting rid of Trump.

I will never vote for Biden; politics shouldn't be an either/or situation we are held hostage to every election.

I agree with the second part there. But that's the reality, and Biden is an excellent candidate. I believe that he really is the best person to lead the country now.

Also, I don't want to be booking a flight to Germany on Wednesday morning.

[Torisakia]

You can always consider Biden.

The Trump administration has definitely been a disappointment, and voting Biden would contribute to getting rid of Trump.

I will never vote for Biden; politics shouldn't be an either/or situation we are held hostage to every election.

That's how the current system works. And how it will always work since it will never be changed.

[The Marlborough]

The North's insistence on Songun and remaining on the war-horse makes a lot sense when you consider the history of the region and the actions of the US in particular. We've shown ourselves to be entirely untrustworthy and even if you comply with all our demands we'll still try to kill you down the line if we get the chance. Just removing ourselves from the peninsula could probably cause some noticeable downsizing in the KPA tbh.

I'd need the President's intelligence briefings to know, but if there was a good chance the North Koreans would stay behind their own line, withdrawing US forces would certainly de-escalate. I expect China would like it too.

There is little indicating that North Korea genuinely wants to conduct another invasion of the South. Kim Jong-Un is pretty focused on improving matters domestically and knows annexing South Korea would cause a shit ton of problems for him, much like trying to annex the North Korea would cause a shit ton of problems for the South Koreans.

A lot of the blockage comes from the US's insistence on demanding complete denuclearization and basing troops in SK and the PRC's resistance to a reunified Korea (even if soft reunification) and a North Korea less reliant upon it.

[The Marlborough]

China does not want reunification, at least not one conducted by South Korea specifically because of fears of there being a US military presence. China trading coal again is not the big win for China you think it is, especially since from the beginning it was supposed to only be cancelled for a year.

It wants reunification with Taiwan, and American presence in South Korea is an impediment to that. They've already changed their language over threatening Taiwan, and made it clear reunification is non-negotiable and achievable by force if necessary. And it will be necessary given Taiwan has seen what's happened in HK and rejected it outright.

So China will continue to support the NK regime, grow it's power in the South China Sea and force America out.

You should have mentioned Taiwan first to start. The US presence in Japan still remains robust and America is increasingly getting closer to Vietnam. Even then, as it stands, if China wanted to invade Taiwan today, they would probably get away with it.

[Geneviev]

I agree with the second part there. But that's the reality, and Biden is an excellent candidate. I believe that he really is the best person to lead the country now.

Also, I don't want to be booking a flight to Germany on Wednesday morning.

I disagree, and that's why I won't be voting for him.

What we need right now is someone of faith, with a strong sense of morality. That's Biden, more than any candidate in my memory.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I can see this article speed up already.

Brace yourself. But remember, tomorrow is just another day.

[Bombadil]

I agree with the second part there. But that's the reality, and Biden is an excellent candidate. I believe that he really is the best person to lead the country now.

Also, I don't want to be booking a flight to Germany on Wednesday morning.

I disagree, and that's why I won't be voting for him.

Personally I'm fine with this stance, and frankly I'm glad you recognise that regardless of who you vote for you won't be voting for Trump based on his behaviour this past 4 years.

For me the unknown in this election in the new voter, aside from those who've switched I'm hoping the new voters are people who didn't really care enough last election but now just want Trump gone given the embarrassment he's been.

[New haven america]

You can always consider Biden.

The Trump administration has definitely been a disappointment, and voting Biden would contribute to getting rid of Trump.

I will never vote for Biden; politics shouldn't be an either/or situation we are held hostage to every election.

That's how generally works in every democracy in the world.

You're only very rarely gonna get someone who matches your exact ideals and have them get popular support enough to become the leader of a country, the vast majority of the time will be picking people who are closest to your ideas.

[Shrillland]

I can see this article speed up already.

Brace yourself. But remember, tomorrow is just another day.

In a very real sense, tomorrow is Judgement Day for this country.

[Geneviev]

What we need right now is someone of faith, with a strong sense of morality. That's Biden, more than any candidate in my memory.

I understand that's your opinion, but I do not share it. I view both candidates to be corrupt, immoral and bought by special interests that will ensure they fail to do anything of value for the American body politic.

That's the pessimism that disappoints me in a lot of people this election. But I do understand it.

[New haven america]

What we need right now is someone of faith, with a strong sense of morality. That's Biden, more than any candidate in my memory.

I understand that's your opinion, but I do not share it. I view both candidates to be corrupt, immoral and bought by special interests that will ensure they fail to do anything of value for the American body politic.

And yet you want to make Jeff Sessions your write in.

[Infected Mushroom]

So when will the results be out?

[Torisakia]

I understand that's your opinion, but I do not share it. I view both candidates to be corrupt, immoral and bought by special interests that will ensure they fail to do anything of value for the American body politic.

That's the pessimism that disappoints me in a lot of people this election. But I do understand it.

Given the fact that we here "[candidate] can fix America!" every election and every time (at least in my lifetime) we've ended up heavily disappointed. After a while I'm going to stop being optimistic about the whole thing. But that may just be my anti-Americanism speaking.

[Geneviev]

So when will the results be out?

When they are. We don't really know this year.

[Shrillland]

So when will the results be out?

Oh, starting after 6 EST for the first states, Puerto Rico's referendum maybe by 5 at the latest.

[Geneviev]

That's the pessimism that disappoints me in a lot of people this election. But I do understand it.

Given the fact that we here "[candidate] can fix America!" every election and every time (at least in my lifetime) we've ended up heavily disappointed. After a while I'm going to stop being optimistic about the whole thing. But that may just be my anti-Americanism speaking.

Maybe I'm too young to think that way. But I really do believe in Biden. He has been able to fix things in the past, and he is a good person. That's enough for me.

[Torisakia]

Given the fact that we here "[candidate] can fix America!" every election and every time (at least in my lifetime) we've ended up heavily disappointed. After a while I'm going to stop being optimistic about the whole thing. But that may just be my anti-Americanism speaking.

Maybe I'm too young to think that way. But I really do believe in Biden. He has been able to fix things in the past, and he is a good person. That's enough for me.

Same story, different year for me. I'm not legally allowed to vote so I can't really argue for or against any further.

[Bombadil]

That's the pessimism that disappoints me in a lot of people this election. But I do understand it.

Given the fact that we here "[candidate] can fix America!" every election and every time (at least in my lifetime) we've ended up heavily disappointed. After a while I'm going to stop being optimistic about the whole thing. But that may just be my anti-Americanism speaking.

I personally think Obama did a bang up job. I think Bill Clinton's character was very poor and what he did to Monica Lewinsky was appalling. I felt GWB was a similarly entitled brat much as Trump is. However Obama did a genuinely good job, you might argue he was slow but he left Trump with a strong foundation to build on.

The downside is that he invoked such partisanship, such anger among a segment of people, brought out racism that I can't accurately judge his presidency. I think he did well but provoked a terrible reaction, I don't know if I can say that's on him exactly.

If nothing else, as someone else put it, you could go days without thinking about Obama, Bush or Clinton.. Trump is just in everyone's face all day every day with his divisive commentary and it's fucking exhausting.

[Zurkerx]

I can see this article speed up already.

Brace yourself. But remember, tomorrow is just another day.

In a very real sense, tomorrow is Judgement Day for this country.

Undoubtedly: we'll see tomorrow whether America has learn its lesson, or double down, the latter will certainly be detrimental to this great nation. Either way, it's going to an exciting but tense, anxious, nervous, and stressful day.

[Rusozak]

So when will the results be out?

When they are. We don't really know this year.

I read it should be rather speedy actually. Not night-of results like we're used to but probably not a month long nightmare like I originally feared. I heard to expect a clear result within a week. Now, contention and post-election drama is another story. No matter the number the results are going to be challenged pretty much until inauguration day.

[Geneviev]

Maybe I'm too young to think that way. But I really do believe in Biden. He has been able to fix things in the past, and he is a good person. That's enough for me.

Same story, different year for me. I'm not legally allowed to vote so I can't really argue for or against any further.

I can't vote either, but I have my beliefs anyway.

[Torisakia]

If nothing else, as someone else put it, you could go days without thinking about Obama, Bush or Clinton.. Trump is just in everyone's face all day every day with his divisive commentary.

That and you can't go on any website, regardless of its main content, without seeing his name. I personally take a shot every time I see someone on Modern Warfare with the clan tag "TRUMP" or "MAGA".

[Bombadil]

In a very real sense, tomorrow is Judgement Day for this country.

Undoubtedly: we'll see tomorrow whether America has learn its lesson, or double down, the latter will certainly be detrimental to this great nation. Either way, it's going to an exciting but tense, anxious, nervous, and stressful day.

Thankfully I sleep through most of it, waking to see the actual results coming in. Perhaps get a large bottle of vodka and try do the same.

[Heloin]

If nothing else, as someone else put it, you could go days without thinking about Obama, Bush or Clinton.. Trump is just in everyone's face all day every day with his divisive commentary.

That and you can't go on any website, regardless of its main content, without seeing his name. I personally take a shot every time I see someone on Modern Warfare with the clan tag "TRUMP" or "MAGA".

Sounds like a quick road to alcohol poisoning.

[Geneviev]

When they are. We don't really know this year.

I read it should be rather speedy actually. Not night-of results like we're used to but probably not a month long nightmare like I originally feared. I heard to expect a clear result within a week. Now, contention and post-election drama is another story. No matter the number the results are going to be challenged pretty much until inauguration day.

Even a few hours would be unbearable with an election like this. A week would be terrible. It is to be expected, but it would be terrible.