2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Cultural Posadism]

Since everyone else did it I finally did it. I've gone through every poll and while I may be overly optimistic I think you'll all agree with my decision making.

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Good. Very good... Ireland shall rule the world after all...

The year is 2021. The Uachtarán na Meiriceá is inaugurated and promptly rebrands the 4th of July as "Spit on Thatcher's grave Day".

[Sundiata]

The American working class as well as the middle class are, by and large, not masterfully educated. It's entirely necessary that matters of grave importance are simplified for them so they do not approach these subjects from a place of misconception. While the working class and middle class are not illiterate, they are generally not experts of particular disciplines.

Wow, that's from page 14. Awesome digging there!

Maybe if they expressed themselves in text more often, they could use links to explain in more detail what they mean by "middle class families" or "tax cuts for everyone". Am I part of a family? Sure if you're announcing a child benefit increase, I don't resent that families are getting more money for having young children, but I do feel resentful that they're using the emotive word in a way that doesn't apply to my family. And tax cuts for people who don't pay income tax? Saying "everyone" is just a lie.

Actually, politicians could link to all that detail and explanation with a little screen on their lapel. Flash up a URL in QR code on that, maybe have buttons on it the politician pushes so it's clear they're controlling it, not the other way around ...

I'm not opposed to the ideas you've proposed, I just think that even more formal education should be required of people before entering the world. Doctorate degrees shouldn't be as uncommon as they are, for example. Human minds across the world are being profoundly wasted.

[Telconi]

I mean, if you take the "Evil prevails" attitude, then everything is pretty pointless, isn't it?

I'm not saying evil prevails per se. I'm saying that if you disenfranchise a sizeable enough ideology, whilst not taking steps, as Germany did, to reduce that ideology to minuscule and contemptible proportions without resorting to repression and violence, all you'll end up with is a flawed state with little legitimacy on the world stage.

Well ideally the efforts would be taken to reduce the ideology to "miniscule and contemptible proportions" But that takes time, banning it from inflicting it's views on innocent people is the first step. We can see this with Germany, they banned Nazis from power while there were still a hefty number of Nazis around.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Since everyone else did it I finally did it. I've gone through every poll and while I may be overly optimistic I think you'll all agree with my decision making.

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I’m fine with this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Since everyone else did it I finally did it. I've gone through every poll and while I may be overly optimistic I think you'll all agree with my decision making.

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7/10 outcome, would prefer the Continuity Army Council taking over instead.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You understand how limiting the available candidates limits the freedom of voters.
Nazis (or whatever) can no longer vote for the candidate they most prefer. Everyone else can. That's not equal voting rights.

I know you'll pretend not to understand, so I have to dumb it down even further. And you'll keep doing that until it's dumbed down so far it no longer makes sense. Well save your fingers, I'm not playing that game.

That's not a bad thing.

No, I understand it perfectly fine, it's just stupid. By that logic literally every law is "unequal".

Because laws against murder discriminate against people who want to kill each other? While people who just want to punch someone in the head get lesser punishment, or none at all?

Yes. Every criminal law has a disparate effect. Based on what the person has already done.

Try to compose a law that prevents murders happening in the first place. Ban guns. No, we can do that. Maybe put all the men in prison until the age of 40, that would cut it down some. Or can you think of any other way to prevent murders which doesn't infringe on the rights of someone who hasn't done anything wrong?

Disparate effect of criminal law is a feature, not a bug. If you don't do the crime, you won't be punished, and from this follows the only benefit I see in having criminals laws and punishments: the crime becomes less common.

Do you see any such benefit in disenfranchising people? If there get to be enough of them that they could form a majority in government, then they're going to over-throw your feeble democracy, and very few will stand up for it when it's so obviously corrupted and unrepresentative.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't really see how Trump has increased the position of NK in the world considering NK isn't really interested in spreading its influence all that much to begin with. The Trump administration being willing to accept NK as a nuclear power is one of the closer steps towards peace in US-NK relations in a long time. It's especially ridiculous when you consider that SK's own position has been to ease tensions without demanding denuclearization itself.

I don't know, Trump cosying up to Kim has caused China to break the sanctions and start helping NK export coal. Previously China had fallen in line with imposing sanctions but any threat to that relationship will change it pronto. Ideally the pressure should be on China to squeeze NK, not buddy up with NK who have zero intention of doing anything other than whatever they want to do.

The only reason Kim wanted to deal with Trump is for the sanctions from China to be removed.

Honestly who really cares about North Korea exporting things. The sanctions failed, North Korea is a nuclear armed state and that's never going to change after the things the US has done in the past decade. Accepting it and moving on is best for everyone.

[Ranoria]

America's Foreign Enemies Mostly Hope for a Joe Biden Win

You know this president is improving America’s position on the world stage when our enemies want Biden to win

*shrugs* Our enemies might also be using the “Russia wants Biden to win so I better vote for Trump” propaganda.

Trump is struggling with the so called Boomer vote. They also remember the USSR so.....

Looking at it from an intelligence perspective; it makes sense they want a simpleton like Trump to be in charge.

Trump has greatly increased the position of Russia, China, Turkey and even North Korea.

The North Korea thing is annoying to me. He made it clear in the debate why he did what he did, and then Biden bashes him for saying 'my good pal' Kim Jong Un. No shit he said that. Imagine if he said "I hate that dude," on live television. Guess what, then we're at risk of a war again.

[The Marlborough]

I don't know, Trump cosying up to Kim has caused China to break the sanctions and start helping NK export coal. Previously China had fallen in line with imposing sanctions but any threat to that relationship will change it pronto. Ideally the pressure should be on China to squeeze NK, not buddy up with NK who have zero intention of doing anything other than whatever they want to do.

The only reason Kim wanted to deal with Trump is for the sanctions from China to be removed.

Honestly who really cares about North Korea exporting things. The sanctions failed, North Korea is a nuclear armed state and that's never going to change after the things the US has done in the past decade. Accepting it and moving on is best for everyone.

^This. North Korea doesn't even want to annex South Korea anymore. It's pointless to continue this conflict.

[Shrillland]

Honestly who really cares about North Korea exporting things. The sanctions failed, North Korea is a nuclear armed state and that's never going to change after the things the US has done in the past decade. Accepting it and moving on is best for everyone.

^This. North Korea doesn't even want to annex South Korea anymore. It's pointless to continue this conflict.

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

[The Marlborough]

^This. North Korea doesn't even want to annex South Korea anymore. It's pointless to continue this conflict.

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

Yes, peacefully and over a long period of time. The deal the South Koreans were aiming for during the peace talks was basically a soft reunification. Two states but no hard border between them.

[Sundiata]

^This. North Korea doesn't even want to annex South Korea anymore. It's pointless to continue this conflict.

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

I agree, it's absolutely possible and we can't give up on this noble goal because it's tough.

[Bombadil]

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

Yes, peacefully and over a long period of time.

Perhaps, but China doesn't want a US army in SK either, and once it has the power it will end that. Most analysts believe that by 2030 the South China Sea will be unbreachable by the US.

China wants unification, at all costs, and it will eventually get it. Anyway, all in all Trump had zero real impact other than giving China a big win over this past year or so.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

^This. North Korea doesn't even want to annex South Korea anymore. It's pointless to continue this conflict.

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

Reunification would probably be a great success, like Germany. But they shouldn't even talk about it until North Korea gets down off its war-horse. They could talk about trade (or aid, more likely) and maybe the South could build factories in the North.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

Reunification would probably be a great success, like Germany. But they shouldn't even talk about it until North Korea gets down off its war-horse. They could talk about trade (or aid, more likely) and maybe the South could build factories in the North.

The North's insistence on Songun and remaining on the war-horse makes a lot sense when you consider the history of the region and the actions of the US in particular. We've shown ourselves to be entirely untrustworthy and even if you comply with all our demands we'll still try to kill you down the line if we get the chance. Just removing ourselves from the peninsula could probably cause some noticeable downsizing in the KPA tbh.

[Valrifell]

If I wake up tomorrow I stg...

[Cultural Posadism]

I was a firm Trump voter in 2016, but have been left exceedingly disappointed over the last four years by the Trump Administration. As a result, my intention tomorrow is to submit a write in vote, although I have yet to decide exactly for who I will put down. I'm thinking Kris Kobach or Jeff Sessions, personally, although I've thought about Huey Long as a joke.

Why tho?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Reunification would probably be a great success, like Germany. But they shouldn't even talk about it until North Korea gets down off its war-horse. They could talk about trade (or aid, more likely) and maybe the South could build factories in the North.

The North's insistence on Songun and remaining on the war-horse makes a lot sense when you consider the history of the region and the actions of the US in particular. We've shown ourselves to be entirely untrustworthy and even if you comply with all our demands we'll still try to kill you down the line if we get the chance. Just removing ourselves from the peninsula could probably cause some noticeable downsizing in the KPA tbh.

I'd need the President's intelligence briefings to know, but if there was a good chance the North Koreans would stay behind their own line, withdrawing US forces would certainly de-escalate. I expect China would like it too.

[Farnhamia]

I was a firm Trump voter in 2016, but have been left exceedingly disappointed over the last four years by the Trump Administration. As a result, my intention tomorrow is to submit a write in vote, although I have yet to decide exactly for who I will put down. I'm thinking Kris Kobach or Jeff Sessions, personally, although I've thought about Huey Long as a joke.

Why tho?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kobach

[Geneviev]

I was a firm Trump voter in 2016, but have been left exceedingly disappointed over the last four years by the Trump Administration. As a result, my intention tomorrow is to submit a write in vote, although I have yet to decide exactly for who I will put down. I'm thinking Kris Kobach or Jeff Sessions, personally, although I've thought about Huey Long as a joke.

You can always consider Biden.

The Trump administration has definitely been a disappointment, and voting Biden would contribute to getting rid of Trump.

[The Marlborough]

Yes, peacefully and over a long period of time.

Perhaps, but China doesn't want a US army in SK either, and once it has the power it will end that. Most analysts believe that by 2030 the South China Sea will be unbreachable by the US.

China wants unification, at all costs, and it will eventually get it. Anyway, all in all Trump had zero real impact other than giving China a big win over this past year or so.

China does not want reunification, at least not one conducted by South Korea specifically because of fears of there being a US military presence. China trading coal again is not the big win for China you think it is, especially since from the beginning it was supposed to only be cancelled for a year.

The South doesn't think so. They still believe the two Koreas can unify one day.

Reunification would probably be a great success, like Germany. But they shouldn't even talk about it until North Korea gets down off its war-horse. They could talk about trade (or aid, more likely) and maybe the South could build factories in the North.

German reunification has not been as great a success as you might think (hence all the problems in eastern Germany) not to mention that basically no one with knowledge of the Korean conflict thinks reunification would be easy.

Easing sanctions and normalizing relations is a great way to convince North Korea we aren't going to try bombing them. Also the talks did touch upon trade quite a lot, especially the inter-Korea summits.

Reunification would probably be a great success, like Germany. But they shouldn't even talk about it until North Korea gets down off its war-horse. They could talk about trade (or aid, more likely) and maybe the South could build factories in the North.

The North's insistence on Songun and remaining on the war-horse makes a lot sense when you consider the history of the region and the actions of the US in particular. We've shown ourselves to be entirely untrustworthy and even if you comply with all our demands we'll still try to kill you down the line if we get the chance. Just removing ourselves from the peninsula could probably cause some noticeable downsizing in the KPA tbh.

This as well.

[Cultural Posadism]

Why tho?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kobach

Yeah, I know who he is, that's why I'm asking

Like, Kobach's whole deal is being a fraudster who lies about the extent of voter fraud in the United States.

[Torisakia]

I was a firm Trump voter in 2016, but have been left exceedingly disappointed over the last four years by the Trump Administration. As a result, my intention tomorrow is to submit a write in vote, although I have yet to decide exactly for who I will put down. I'm thinking Kris Kobach or Jeff Sessions, personally, although I've thought about Huey Long as a joke.

You can always consider Biden.

The Trump administration has definitely been a disappointment, and voting Biden would contribute to getting rid of Trump.

Vote for Godzilla instead. He'll get rid of everyone once and for all.

[Farnhamia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kobach

Yeah, I know who he is, that's why I'm asking

Like, Kobach's whole deal is being a fraudster who lies about the extent of voter fraud in the United States.

I misread your "Why?" as "Who?" Sad.

[Bombadil]

Perhaps, but China doesn't want a US army in SK either, and once it has the power it will end that. Most analysts believe that by 2030 the South China Sea will be unbreachable by the US.

China wants unification, at all costs, and it will eventually get it. Anyway, all in all Trump had zero real impact other than giving China a big win over this past year or so.

China does not want reunification, at least not one conducted by South Korea specifically because of fears of there being a US military presence. China trading coal again is not the big win for China you think it is, especially since from the beginning it was supposed to only be cancelled for a year.

It wants reunification with Taiwan, and American presence in South Korea is an impediment to that. They've already changed their language over threatening Taiwan, and made it clear reunification is non-negotiable and achievable by force if necessary. And it will be necessary given Taiwan has seen what's happened in HK and rejected it outright.

So China will continue to support the NK regime, grow it's power in the South China Sea and force America out.