2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Corrian]

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2020/10/three-out-of-five-washingtonians-surveyed-are-voting-for-joe-biden-npi-poll-finds.html

Biden leads 60-37 in Washington state

In other news, water is wet.

Fun fact, we're not (Or weren't) as much of a blue state as people claim. Inslee won his first term by only 3%, and his second term by only 9%, in 2016. We have history for the closest election in history, decided by 129 votes. Its likely Inslee's 3rd term will be his biggest margin yet, and it has a lot to do with Republicans just choosing terrible candidates (Culp) and that Trump is on the ballot. But Biden will still likely do better than Inslee.

[Corrian]

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2020/10/three-out-of-five-washingtonians-surveyed-are-voting-for-joe-biden-npi-poll-finds.html

Biden leads 60-37 in Washington state

No way, WHAT. That as to be fake. Biden leading in the most liberal state of the US. Pollers must be on drugs.

Lmao, we aren't even close to the "Most liberal state of the US".

[Corrian]

with a margin like that Biden probably wins back several counties Clinton lost narrowly such as Grays Harbor and Clallam, Mason, and Pacific. He could possibly win Spokane as well.

Oh my god, you know our cities. Hell yeah. Respect to you. By the way, he's already won Bellingham in my opinion.

Knows our counties better than me actually.

[Aclion]

You’d think if throwing minorities under the bus was on the agenda, I’d be the first one to oppose it being a minority myself. But the reality is, both parties are doing exactly that, which is why I oppose both

So which minorities are the Dems throwing under the proverbial bus?

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question of whether they'll even get that far with people like Harris targeting them with bunkprosecution while ignoring the serial criminals that destroy their neighborhoods.

[Post War America]

So which minorities are the Dems throwing under the proverbial bus?

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question of whether they'll even get that far with people like Harris targeting them with bunkprosecution while ignoring the serial criminals that destroy their neighborhoods.

I mean, half of the reason charter schools are opposed is poor regulation of their operations. In a lot of states, charter schools can be worse than the most underfunded public school.

[San Lumen]

In other news, water is wet.

Fun fact, we're not (Or weren't) as much of a blue state as people claim. Inslee won his first term by only 3%, and his second term by only 9%, in 2016. We have history for the closest election in history, decided by 129 votes. Its likely Inslee's 3rd term will be his biggest margin yet, and it has a lot to do with Republicans just choosing terrible candidates (Culp) and that Trump is on the ballot. But Biden will still likely do better than Inslee.

It was one of the closest but not the closest ever statewide election in US history. There are two contenders for that depending on your point of view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1839_Mass ... l_election
The first being the 1839 Massachusetts governor election. State law required that candidates get a majority of the vote. Marcus Morton exceeded that threshold by a single vote over incumbent Edward Everett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Kans ... l_election
The second is the 1912 Kanas governor election. George H. Hodges defeated the popular Republican Arthur Capper by a razor-thin margin of 29 votes out of 359,684 cast

[Cannot think of a name]

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question of whether they'll even get that far with people like Harris targeting them with bunkprosecution while ignoring the serial criminals that destroy their neighborhoods.

I mean, half of the reason charter schools are opposed is poor regulation of their operations. In a lot of states, charter schools can be worse than the most underfunded public school.

Often drawing funding away from public schools while essentially helping disenfrachise poor and black students and help move middle class and upper middle class white students away from said poor and minority students.

It's always been a stretch for conservatives and the like to try and insist that opposing conservative economic policies is what's really keeping minorities down when under examination these problems are often exasperate already existing issues. That's why they're always more general in these statements instead of specific.

[Corrian]

Nah man you need to ask off for the day after the election. That way you can sleep off the alcohol

This guy gets it.

Honestly because my jobs vacation time ends after January (Yes, built up time just poofs), I could have done it. I could have anyway by just giving myself two days off, unpaid, but alas, too late now. Instead I can have the adventure of the raging at work by 100+ coworkers at whoever wins either way, on the day directly after.

[Corrian]

Fun fact, we're not (Or weren't) as much of a blue state as people claim. Inslee won his first term by only 3%, and his second term by only 9%, in 2016. We have history for the closest election in history, decided by 129 votes. Its likely Inslee's 3rd term will be his biggest margin yet, and it has a lot to do with Republicans just choosing terrible candidates (Culp) and that Trump is on the ballot. But Biden will still likely do better than Inslee.

It was one of the closest but not the closest ever statewide election in US history. There are two contenders for that depending on your point of view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1839_Mass ... l_election
The first being the 1839 Massachusetts governor election. State law required that candidates get a majority of the vote. Marcus Morton exceeded that threshold by a single vote over incumbent Edward Everett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Kans ... l_election
The second is the 1912 Kanas governor election. George H. Hodges defeated the popular Republican Arthur Capper by a razor-thin margin of 29 votes out of 359,684 cast

Damn. Though we gotta admit, 129 vote margin out of 2.6 million+ total cast votes is insane.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So which minorities are the Dems throwing under the proverbial bus?

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities

Wait, that's a pretty harsh accusation. We're talking about local governments underfunding schools in black communities? Or state governments, or federal government? It's pretty complicated and I doubt your generalization.

then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing

A private sector decision. How should government have intervened?

and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question ...

Do you mean H-1B visas? 500,000 of them. Yes I expected that would depress wages, but at the bottom end? Not so much.

Let's say we pull all your levers, and the free market minimum wage is still only $9. Would you then agree to a minimum wage higher than that?

[San Lumen]

It was one of the closest but not the closest ever statewide election in US history. There are two contenders for that depending on your point of view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1839_Mass ... l_election
The first being the 1839 Massachusetts governor election. State law required that candidates get a majority of the vote. Marcus Morton exceeded that threshold by a single vote over incumbent Edward Everett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Kans ... l_election
The second is the 1912 Kanas governor election. George H. Hodges defeated the popular Republican Arthur Capper by a razor-thin margin of 29 votes out of 359,684 cast

Damn. Though we gotta admit, 129 vote margin out of 2.6 million+ total cast votes is insane.

agreed and people claim their vote doesn't matter. There are three examples of how it does.

[Northern Davincia]

I'm not equating Richard Spencer with anyone, he's just a convenient example of a well dressed fascist who takes advantage of the claim that the left is calling anyone they disagree with a fascist to hide that he's a fascist. Obviously he was successful.

How many people do you think denied that he was, at the very least, a white nationalist? He wasn't successful.

Not at all.

To paraphrase Darth Maul, "The republic has fallen and you just can't see it yet." The wheels of democracy could not survive tens of millions of fascists, or pseudo-fascists, in one nation. They may lose at the ballot but they will not lose with the bayonet. The fight is lost if what you believe is true.

My whole point is that fascists now are going to try and create the impression that they are not fascists, and to that end they will take advantage of the whole "Leftists just using 'fascist' as an insult" meme. Fascists want fascism to exclusively be Hitlerist or Mussolini-ist fascism so that they can hide the fact that they're fascists by acting just a little different from those fascists.

You would have a point if you had a concrete definition of fascism, but because you treat it as a nebulous thing, it allows you to characterize anything sufficiently right-wing as fascist. The Trump-crowd has more in common with the Bonapartists than it does with Hitler or Mussolini, but the kingpins of classical fascism offer more emotional appeal in fighting them because they were the antithesis of leftism. The term has lost its power because of overuse.

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not equating Richard Spencer with anyone, he's just a convenient example of a well dressed fascist who takes advantage of the claim that the left is calling anyone they disagree with a fascist to hide that he's a fascist. Obviously he was successful.

How many people do you think denied that he was, at the very least, a white nationalist? He wasn't successful.

Not at all.

To paraphrase Darth Maul, "The republic has fallen and you just can't see it yet." The wheels of democracy could not survive tens of millions of fascists, or pseudo-fascists, in one nation. They may lose at the ballot but they will not lose with the bayonet. The fight is lost if what you believe is true.

AWWW! You wrecked your POE with a star wars reference! I was borderline thinking you were serious.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Damn. Though we gotta admit, 129 vote margin out of 2.6 million+ total cast votes is insane.

agreed and people claim their vote doesn't matter. There are three examples of how it does.

That's just irritating. You posted all that trivia (which was interesting, as trivia) then you make the puny point that peoples' votes do matter a bit, sometimes?

[Greater Miami Shores]

If I ever see any fellow Republicans at a Trump Rally disrespecting with personal insults, foul language and with the finger any Biden supporter at a Trump Rally or near a Trump Rally, I will stand up for them, I will defend them. This respect is given it is not earned.

GMS.

[Valrifell]

agreed and people claim their vote doesn't matter. There are three examples of how it does.

That's just irritating. You posted all that trivia (which was interesting, as trivia) then you make the puny point that peoples' votes do matter a bit, sometimes?

They matter with less frequency as being struck by lightning.

[Northern Davincia]

How many people do you think denied that he was, at the very least, a white nationalist? He wasn't successful.

To paraphrase Darth Maul, "The republic has fallen and you just can't see it yet." The wheels of democracy could not survive tens of millions of fascists, or pseudo-fascists, in one nation. They may lose at the ballot but they will not lose with the bayonet. The fight is lost if what you believe is true.

AWWW! You wrecked your POE with a star wars reference! I was borderline thinking you were serious.

Everyone has the right to at least one pop-culture reference in a debate.

If I ever see any fellow Republicans at a Trump Rally or near a Trump Rally, disrespecting with personal insults, foul language and with the finger any Biden supporter, I will stand up for them, I will defend them.

GMS.

You'll defend the Biden supporters?

[The Black Forrest]

So which minorities are the Dems throwing under the proverbial bus?

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question of whether they'll even get that far with people like Harris targeting them with bunkprosecution while ignoring the serial criminals that destroy their neighborhoods.

Hmmm partially. Ever notice the verbiage of the republicans? They talk about throwing money at education and yet they always mention allocating funds to the military.

Charter schools are detrimental to the education of the people. They are not regulated and tend to offer a weaker education. Guess who fully supports charter schools?

Here is your chance. How have the republicans worked to improve education for the poor and as mentioned black communities?

[Talvezout]

In other news, water is wet.

Fun fact, we're not (Or weren't) as much of a blue state as people claim. Inslee won his first term by only 3%, and his second term by only 9%, in 2016. We have history for the closest election in history, decided by 129 votes. Its likely Inslee's 3rd term will be his biggest margin yet, and it has a lot to do with Republicans just choosing terrible candidates (Culp) and that Trump is on the ballot. But Biden will still likely do better than Inslee.

Not to mention, in a large enough wave, there are multiple Congress seats and state legislature seats that Dems can pick up.

Even in the safest of safe seats for Dems like CA and NY, there are still seats they can pick up. And of course, the same goes for Republicans - WV State Senate and AK State Legislature are surprisingly somewhat competitive this year, for example.

[Northern Davincia]

black people for one. They neglect public school in black communities then oppose charters and other alternatives, then when these kids become adult they find themselves unable to do much other then provide basic labor, the price of which is being depressed by outsourcing of manufacturing and the market being saturated by people from outside the country. That's leaving aside the question of whether they'll even get that far with people like Harris targeting them with bunkprosecution while ignoring the serial criminals that destroy their neighborhoods.

Hmmm partially. Ever notice the verbiage of the republicans? They talk about throwing money at education and yet they always mention allocating funds to the military.

Charter schools are detrimental to the education of the people. They are not regulated and tend to offer a weaker education. Guess who fully supports charter schools?

Here is your chance. How have the republicans worked to improve education for the poor and as mentioned black communities?

The fact that charter schools are not regulated is a plus, not a detriment. Also, testing scores are a horrible method of determining quality of education.

[Farnhamia]

Fun fact, we're not (Or weren't) as much of a blue state as people claim. Inslee won his first term by only 3%, and his second term by only 9%, in 2016. We have history for the closest election in history, decided by 129 votes. Its likely Inslee's 3rd term will be his biggest margin yet, and it has a lot to do with Republicans just choosing terrible candidates (Culp) and that Trump is on the ballot. But Biden will still likely do better than Inslee.

It was one of the closest but not the closest ever statewide election in US history. There are two contenders for that depending on your point of view.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1839_Mass ... l_election
The first being the 1839 Massachusetts governor election. State law required that candidates get a majority of the vote. Marcus Morton exceeded that threshold by a single vote over incumbent Edward Everett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Kans ... l_election
The second is the 1912 Kanas governor election. George H. Hodges defeated the popular Republican Arthur Capper by a razor-thin margin of 29 votes out of 359,684 cast

Marcus Morton defeated Everett by 309 votes, not one. Morton received 50% of the votes cast plus one. It's in the Wiki article you linked.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm partially. Ever notice the verbiage of the republicans? They talk about throwing money at education and yet they always mention allocating funds to the military.

Charter schools are detrimental to the education of the people. They are not regulated and tend to offer a weaker education. Guess who fully supports charter schools?

Here is your chance. How have the republicans worked to improve education for the poor and as mentioned black communities?

The fact that charter schools are not regulated is a plus, not a detriment. Also, testing scores are a horrible method of determining quality of education.

You are funny.

[Northern Davincia]

The fact that charter schools are not regulated is a plus, not a detriment. Also, testing scores are a horrible method of determining quality of education.

You are funny.

That is true, but I'm also right.

[The Black Forrest]

You are funny.

That is true, but I'm also right.

It’s easy to declare yourself right. That’s ok. You do generate laughs.

-passing thought-

You do understand testing is not a new phenomenon right? China for example had been doing it for centuries.

[Northern Davincia]

That is true, but I'm also right.

It’s easy to declare yourself right. That’s ok. You do generate laughs.

With that out of the way, you can actually try defending your argument and explain how charter schools offer a weaker education, or why deregulation is bad. Testing is not the issue, but the way it's done in the US is insane.