2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Post War America]

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

Excepting every time the fascists didn't get elected.

*Laughs in President Hindenburg*

Yep I'm sure that voting to stop the left and compromise with fascism will really stop the fascists this time.

[San Lumen]

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

Trump didn't why should Biden?

I believe his first veteran’s affairs Secretary was a democrat. Obama also kept Bush’s Secretary of defense Robert gates for a little while.

If someone is best for the job I don’t see why party affiliation should matter.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm tired of this nice guy talk from the center of the Democratic Party. Trump has done WAAAAY too much for us to forgive him or his fans with ease.

[Post War America]

Trump didn't why should Biden?

I believe his first veteran’s affairs Secretary was a democrat. Obama also kept Bush’s Secretary of defense Robert gates for a little while.

If someone is best for the job I don’t see why party affiliation should matter.

I mean, that's a perfectly fine position and all. However, I'm more concerned about defending norms for the sake of the norms themselves rather than any qualification based test. I'm also pretty annoyed that Republicans can get away with doing more and more outrageous shit while the Dems sit back and let them, or worse hand over crucial platforms to continue doing their increasingly monstrous BS while protected by a Democratic president.

[No State Here]

Not voting Democratic will embolden the fascists much more.

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

[Ifreann]

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

No it isn't.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Three very good polls today:

Two National Polls, the first being from IBD/TIPP (A/B Rated) shows Biden leading Trump 49% to 46% -> this is an outlier as most polls have shown at least a 6 point lead. It's also a tracker poll too. Which brings us to our second National Poll by the NYT (A+ Rated): that poll shows Biden leading Trump 50% to 41%. In particular, the NYT's Poll has quite the breakdown:

1. 51% of voters 65+ support Biden to Trump's 41%.
2. Among those between 45-64, Biden leads 49% to Trump's 46%.
3. 48% of men support Trump compared to Biden's 42% while 58% of women back Biden compared to Trump's 35%.
4. On the issue of the economy, Trump leads Biden, but not by much: 48% believe Trump will handle the economy better. That compares to 47% for Biden.
5. 52% trust Biden more to handle the Coronavirus Pandemic to Trump's 40%.
6. On Law & Order, 50% trust Biden more than Trump's 44%.

In North Carolina, a poll by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) shows a tight race: Biden leads Trump 50% to 48%.

1. The oldsters are reliable voters who likely are using vote-by-mail quite heavily. Which is good and bad depending on state.
3. Men are a disgrace, repeal the 19th!
6. Wow. Turns out you do lose voters if you break the law, huh?

[Thermodolia]

Three very good polls today:

Two National Polls, the first being from IBD/TIPP (A/B Rated) shows Biden leading Trump 49% to 46% -> this is an outlier as most polls have shown at least a 6 point lead. It's also a tracker poll too. Which brings us to our second National Poll by the NYT (A+ Rated): that poll shows Biden leading Trump 50% to 41%. In particular, the NYT's Poll has quite the breakdown:

1. 51% of voters 65+ support Biden to Trump's 41%.
2. Among those between 45-64, Biden leads 49% to Trump's 46%.
3. 48% of men support Trump compared to Biden's 42% while 58% of women back Biden compared to Trump's 35%.
4. On the issue of the economy, Trump leads Biden, but not by much: 48% believe Trump will handle the economy better. That compares to 47% for Biden.
5. 52% trust Biden more to handle the Coronavirus Pandemic to Trump's 40%.
6. On Law & Order, 50% trust Biden more than Trump's 44%.

In North Carolina, a poll by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) shows a tight race: Biden leads Trump 50% to 48%.

The law and order president has failed to win on law and order lol

[San Lumen]

Excepting every time the fascists didn't get elected.

*Laughs in President Hindenburg*

Yep I'm sure that voting to stop the left and compromise with fascism will really stop the fascists this time.

What would you have liked him to do?

[West Leas Oros 2]

I'm tired of this nice guy talk from the center of the Democratic Party. Trump has done WAAAAY too much for us to forgive him or his fans with ease.

Honestly, feel free to hate me for it, but I'm not ready to write off his fans as terrible people yet. They're ordinary folk like us, desperate for answers, looking for an easy way out of their misery, wanting more than being poor and sick, upset that the world is turning it's back. In other words, the perfect victim of a con.

[No State Here]

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

No it isn't.

Elaborate?

Both are big tent parties, who have everything from moderates to extremists. However, saying the republican party is "full of fascists" implies you don’t know what fascism actually is. Fascist is more than just an insult to describe everyone you don’t like, and the problem if if the word keeps getting thrown around, the actual meaning would be diluted and lose any negative connotations, ironically leading to the normalization of fascism.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

I'm staying out of that Center-Left/Far-Left tussle. Lefties do it all the time, it's part of their training I think.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No it isn't.

Elaborate?

Both are big tent parties, who have everything from moderates to extremists. However, saying the republican party is "full of fascists" implies you don’t know what fascism actually is. Fascist is more than just an insult to describe everyone you don’t like, and the problem if if the word keeps getting thrown around, the actual meaning would be diluted and lose any negative connotations, ironically leading to the normalization of fascism.

"Full of Fascists" does have alliteration on its side though.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Elaborate?

Both are big tent parties, who have everything from moderates to extremists. However, saying the republican party is "full of fascists" implies you don’t know what fascism actually is. Fascist is more than just an insult to describe everyone you don’t like, and the problem if if the word keeps getting thrown around, the actual meaning would be diluted and lose any negative connotations, ironically leading to the normalization of fascism.

"Full of Fascists" does have alliteration on its side though.

Aye, that it does. It sounds like an awesome quote from a swashbuckling Allied soldier.

[Post War America]

*Laughs in President Hindenburg*

Yep I'm sure that voting to stop the left and compromise with fascism will really stop the fascists this time.

What would you have liked him to do?

Drop the bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship line and meaningfully stand against fascism.

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

I'm staying out of that Center-Left/Far-Left tussle. Lefties do it all the time, it's part of their training I think.

When a particular politician or political party engages in most, if not all the points made in Eco's 14 points of Ur-Fascism, its pretty safe to call them fascist.

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

Saying the republican party is fascist is like saying the Democrats are communist

Well, the Repubs have been calling the dems communist for decades at this point despite the Democratic Party's policies having consistently been dominated by the Third Way neoliberal movement since at least the Clinton Administration. And to counter, I'll point to the above.

[No State Here]

I'm tired of this nice guy talk from the center of the Democratic Party. Trump has done WAAAAY too much for us to forgive him or his fans with ease.

Honestly, feel free to hate me for it, but I'm not ready to write off his fans as terrible people yet. They're ordinary folk like us, desperate for answers, looking for an easy way out of their misery, wanting more than being poor and sick, upset that the world is turning it's back. In other words, the perfect victim of a con.

I mean, this is a sensible post, I doubt the amount of Trump supporters who are actually fascist are as high as NSG says they are. Then again, most people here don’t even seem to know what fascism is

[West Leas Oros 2]

Honestly, feel free to hate me for it, but I'm not ready to write off his fans as terrible people yet. They're ordinary folk like us, desperate for answers, looking for an easy way out of their misery, wanting more than being poor and sick, upset that the world is turning it's back. In other words, the perfect victim of a con.

I mean, this is a sensible post, I doubt the amount of Trump supporters who are actually fascist are as high as NSG says they are. Then again, most people don’t even seem to know what fascism is

I'd argue that fascism sounds enticing to people who feel rejected and desperate. To act like "they are terrible bad people and fascist" is ridiculous. They've been conned and swindled by a plutocrat and his cadre.

[San Lumen]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i ... LoW7hNG3t0

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is endorsing Biden.

[Picairn]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952?fbclid=IwAR0A_QF_psoXnMqAY7LobvzTHVCdpw-2s-q1yT9dWbO0_DGFhLoW7hNG3t0

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is endorsing Biden.

I've read somewhere on Reddit that the longest Wikipedia page is the list of endorsements for Joe Biden.

[West Leas Oros 2]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952?fbclid=IwAR0A_QF_psoXnMqAY7LobvzTHVCdpw-2s-q1yT9dWbO0_DGFhLoW7hNG3t0

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is endorsing Biden.

Cool. His endorsement is worth shit to me.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952?fbclid=IwAR0A_QF_psoXnMqAY7LobvzTHVCdpw-2s-q1yT9dWbO0_DGFhLoW7hNG3t0

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is endorsing Biden.

I've read somewhere on Reddit that the longest Wikipedia page is the list of endorsements for Joe Biden.

Really? If true then holy shit.

[West Leas Oros 2]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952?fbclid=IwAR0A_QF_psoXnMqAY7LobvzTHVCdpw-2s-q1yT9dWbO0_DGFhLoW7hNG3t0

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is endorsing Biden.

I've read somewhere on Reddit that the longest Wikipedia page is the list of endorsements for Joe Biden.

And? A fair few of them are from shitty people. I'd rather get no endorsement than a whole list of endorsements from warmongers and thieves.

[Kannap]

Hard for me to believe Democrats truly believe the GOP is a threat to America when they're floating ideas like this

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

If I were president I simply wouldn't appoint the enemy to powerful offices

[No State Here]

I mean, this is a sensible post, I doubt the amount of Trump supporters who are actually fascist are as high as NSG says they are. Then again, most people don’t even seem to know what fascism is

I'd argue that fascism sounds enticing to people who feel rejected and desperate. To act like "they are terrible bad people and fascist" is ridiculous. They've been conned and swindled by a plutocrat and his cadre.

What happens oftentimes is emotionally charged partisanship gets in the way of nuance, it’s easier to justify voting against someone if you paint their support base as being entirely racist and fascist

[San Lumen]

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

If I were president I simply wouldn't appoint the enemy to powerful offices

He was a very good transportation Secretary. I don’t consider all Republicans to be the enemy.