2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Picairn]

Here I thought you were about purging the Trumpist influence. Doing nothing will only grow it I'm afraid.

The most effective way is to vote Democratic straight down the ballot. That's what voters are doing.

[Thermodolia]

The creation of The People’s Republic of America has kinda been my thing.

Power for the sake of having power is still pretty shit and thankfully the overwhelming majority of people don’t want to live under a tankie dictatorship.

To bad they won’t have a choice.


But no in all seriousness I’m not a tankie. Just an authoritarian socialist, but not a tankie. More Titoboo than anything

[Myrensis]

I have no idea why they've chosen "protective measures against a deadly pandemic" as the thing they're going to spend this election fighting against. I was certain Trump was gonna waltz into his second term easy, but this foolish hatred of medical science, masks and other such measures may cost them their jobs.

It's so absurd, there's really no other words for it. The entire party should have roasted Trump over the fire for his part in it, but instead most of them just hopped along with him.

"I can't believe that the party that spent decades pushing an anti-science agenda and telling people that being expected to suffer even trivial inconvenience for the public good is tyranny against rugged individualists went along with a President who pushed an anti-science agenda and told people that suffering a trivial inconvenience for the public good is tyranny against rugged individualists.".

Your daily reminder that Trump didn't overthrow or change the Republican Party, he's just the fruit borne of...their entire platform for the last half century or so.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Hard for me to believe Democrats truly believe the GOP is a threat to America when they're floating ideas like this

Could be appropriate for certain Cabinet posts. I could see him picking a Republican Secretary of Defense or Director of National Intelligence. They would need experience or policy chops to be acceptable to the base, I think.

[Post War America]

Here I thought you were about purging the Trumpist influence. Doing nothing will only grow it I'm afraid.

The most effective way is to vote Democratic straight down the ballot. That's what voters are doing.

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The most effective way is to vote Democratic straight down the ballot. That's what voters are doing.

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

Who?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Here I thought you were about purging the Trumpist influence. Doing nothing will only grow it I'm afraid.

The most effective way is to vote Democratic straight down the ballot. That's what voters are doing.

*some voters

Others are voting for the dummy who's policies regarding covid ending up costing thousands of American lives

[Zurkerx]

For the first time in many years, USA Today, the nation’s highest-circulation newspaper, unanimously endorses Biden.

This is different from their 2016 approach where they urged voters not to vote for Trump but didn't endorse Clinton. This time is completely different. While at least 90% have already decided who they'll be voting for, USA Today takes aim at those who are uncertain of their choice.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Power for the sake of having power is still pretty shit and thankfully the overwhelming majority of people don’t want to live under a tankie dictatorship.

To bad they won’t have a choice.


But no in all seriousness I’m not a tankie. Just an authoritarian socialist, but not a tankie. More Titoboo than anything

I mean... ‘tankie’ has pretty much evolved into a catch-all term to refer to authoritarian socialists of all stripes.

[Thermodolia]

To bad they won’t have a choice.


But no in all seriousness I’m not a tankie. Just an authoritarian socialist, but not a tankie. More Titoboo than anything

I mean... ‘tankie’ has pretty much evolved into a catch-all term to refer to authoritarian socialists of all stripes.

Tankie means Stalin worshipers and nothing else

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I mean... ‘tankie’ has pretty much evolved into a catch-all term to refer to authoritarian socialists of all stripes.

Tankie means Stalin worshipers and nothing else

Since you’re not the definitive political terms dictionary you’re gonna have to take that up with the people who don’t use it as strictly as you do.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

For the first time in many years, USA Today, the nation’s highest-circulation newspaper, unanimously endorses Biden.

This is different from their 2016 approach where they urged voters not to vote for Trump but didn't endorse Clinton. This time is completely different. While at least 90% have already decided who they'll be voting for, USA Today takes aim at those who are uncertain of their choice.

2nd link NO, terrible portrait of Biden, proclaiming how ideologically diverse they are, this isn't so much a train wreck as a booster failure.

"We hope it's our last"

[San Lumen]

Hard for me to believe Democrats truly believe the GOP is a threat to America when they're floating ideas like this

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Tankie means Stalin worshipers and nothing else

Since you’re not the definitive political terms dictionary you’re gonna have to take that up with the people who don’t use it as strictly as you do.

I use tankie to refer to classic communists like Stalin or Mao and their fans. Anyone who unironically believes in gulag is a tankie.

[Post War America]

Hard for me to believe Democrats truly believe the GOP is a threat to America when they're floating ideas like this

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

Trump didn't why should Biden?

[Picairn]

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

If voting Democratic stops the fascists from getting to power then it's good.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I know Biden and the few people who actually think he'd be a good president want us to forgive and forget, but I'm frankly not in the mood to forgive and forget with a bunch of people who think I should be deported or murdered based on my ethnicity. The only way I could ever make peace with said hateful bigots is if they packed their shit in and moved to the middle of nowhere out west, far away from me.

This is the issue with centrists like Biden. They think "both sides" have equally legitimate concerns and good points but sometimes one side just argues in bad faith, flat out lies, seeks to kill, and is living in their own little world apart from reality.

[Post War America]

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

If voting Democratic stops the fascists from getting to power then it's good.

If voting Democratic results in an administration of appeasers all you've done is embolden the Fascists. If the sole aim of the Democratic Party is to stop Trumpism they actually need to do something. Otherwise, its a waste of time to support them.

[Picairn]

If voting Democratic results in an administration of appeasers all you've done is embolden the Fascists. If the sole aim of the Democratic Party is to stop Trumpism they actually need to do something. Otherwise, its a waste of time to support them.

Not voting Democratic will embolden the fascists much more.

[Post War America]

If voting Democratic results in an administration of appeasers all you've done is embolden the Fascists. If the sole aim of the Democratic Party is to stop Trumpism they actually need to do something. Otherwise, its a waste of time to support them.

Not voting Democratic will embolden the fascists much more.

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Hard for me to believe Democrats truly believe the GOP is a threat to America when they're floating ideas like this

That’s not unheard of. Most presidents pick at least one member of the opposite party for the cabinet, Obama’s first Transportation secretary Ray LaHood was a Republican.

They're not seriously talking about transition and the Biden cabinet. They're just trying to lure out some anti-Trump Republicans. Not to denounce their leader, just praise him in a way that's noticeably faint.

[Cannot think of a name]

Of course we all remember how becoming president during the at the time worst financial crisis since the Great Depression completely sank Obama and he wasn’t even elected to a second term...

He had a lot of things going for him though, none the least of which were a measure of charisma and his race.

Yeah, America...notoriously easy on Black people.

And charisma didn’t fix the financial crisis or set in motion a period of sustained growth. He didn’t genie blink the world into a better place, but also none of the things you’re predicting for the new president happened. Because your prediction is silly. I mean, you know it’s silly, right?

Of course we all remember how becoming president during the at the time worst financial crisis since the Great Depression completely sank Obama and he wasn’t even elected to a second term...

I highly doubt Biden is gonna be able to fix this mess. It was already going to hell and Trump sped up the process.

Yeah, cool. I’ve been through the whole cynicism for cynicism’s sake thing. It’s an easy position because if anyone challenges you, then you just imply that they’re a Pollyanna who has blinded themselves to reality, list a bunch of unrelated grievances as if their sum total proves the point and you feel really good because you’re not a shepple, man. You see the truth!

Turns out it’s more self congratulatory and unproductive, so I’m cool. You can keep yelling at an uncaring god. You don’t need to involve me in it, though. I’m over it.

[Zurkerx]

Three very good polls today:

Two National Polls, the first being from IBD/TIPP (A/B Rated) shows Biden leading Trump 49% to 46% -> this is an outlier as most polls have shown at least a 6 point lead. It's also a tracker poll too. Which brings us to our second National Poll by the NYT (A+ Rated): that poll shows Biden leading Trump 50% to 41%. In particular, the NYT's Poll has quite the breakdown:

1. 51% of voters 65+ support Biden to Trump's 41%.
2. Among those between 45-64, Biden leads 49% to Trump's 46%.
3. 48% of men support Trump compared to Biden's 42% while 58% of women back Biden compared to Trump's 35%.
4. On the issue of the economy, Trump leads Biden, but not by much: 48% believe Trump will handle the economy better. That compares to 47% for Biden.
5. 52% trust Biden more to handle the Coronavirus Pandemic to Trump's 40%.
6. On Law & Order, 50% trust Biden more than Trump's 44%.

In North Carolina, a poll by the Washington Post (A+ Rated) shows a tight race: Biden leads Trump 50% to 48%.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The most effective way is to vote Democratic straight down the ballot. That's what voters are doing.

Voting for appeasement has never stopped the fascists.

Excepting every time the fascists didn't get elected.

[Picairn]

However, I want to actually stop the spread of fascism. What will supporting appeasers actually do, because it seems like bourgeois electoralism got us into this mess, and you're trying to defend bourgeois electoralism, and literally nothing else to put people into power who won't actually stop the fascists and, at best, slow them down a little. Like I've done more work for the Democratic Party than most Democrats, and I actually want to see some actual indicators that its not a complete waste of my finite time on Earth to continue to do so. Particularly when its people like me who will be the first ones killed by fascists.

Great, you can campaign more to persuade the Democratic electorate into voting for more Progressive candidates for Congress and state positions. Since violent revolution is off the table (I doubt you alone can organize one), you will still have to engage in "bourgeois electoralism" whether you hate it or not. I prefer it to revolutions and chaos every day.