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Who Do You Support in the 2020 General Election?

Donald Trump (R)
147
29%
Joe Biden (D)
276
54%
Howie Hawkins (G)
59
12%
Jo Jorgensen (L)
27
5%
 
Total votes : 509

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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:10 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521563-crowd-chants-lock-her-up-about-whitmer-at-michigan-trump-rally

Crowd chants lock her up about Whitmer at Trump's rally in Michigan and the President says lock them all up. He is openly encouraging violence by his supporters and he did nothing to tell them that was inappropriate. I hope he and the Republicans lose in a absolute blowout.


Well, it shouldn't come as a surprise: Trump has been pushing the "Deep State" is against me kind of deal forever now. Unfortunately, it's going to be a lot closer than you think it will be.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:13 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521563-crowd-chants-lock-her-up-about-whitmer-at-michigan-trump-rally

Crowd chants lock her up about Whitmer at Trump's rally in Michigan and the President says lock them all up. He is openly encouraging violence by his supporters and he did nothing to tell them that was inappropriate. I hope he and the Republicans lose in a absolute blowout.

As Zur said this is shit he has been pushing for a while. He revels in this shit.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:13 am

Kyundao wrote:Twitter's been abusing the "fact check" system lately.

And fact checking is bad... how, exactly?
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Postby Picairn » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:14 am

Kyundao wrote:Oh no, it's not because they told me not to. For starters they're acting like Biden's PR campaign (censoring that NYP article for instance) when they're not supposed to, secondly they literally protect pedophiles and predators, thirdly they don't punish accounts that blatantly violate their terms of service. The latter two in particular are really bad things for any tech company to do.

As for the Democrats, have you seen what's been going on in their cities? They're not punishing rioters and looters while law-abiding citizens who are simply trying to defend their property are being punished instead. The affirmative action laws that they implemented in college campuses are still discriminating against whites and Asians (I'm Asian btw). If they're not the party of crime and racism, then I don't know what is.

Then there's Joe Biden's mental state. The dude shows signs of dementia and he keeps flip flopping on certain issues, not to mention the fact that he's said and done super racist things in recent months if not years. He can't even remember shit. He's clearly not for office.

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Postby Gravlen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:15 am

It may not be a surprise, but it really isn't acceptable either.

In other words, it is not normal, and we shouldn't let it be normalized.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:17 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521563-crowd-chants-lock-her-up-about-whitmer-at-michigan-trump-rally

Crowd chants lock her up about Whitmer at Trump's rally in Michigan and the President says lock them all up. He is openly encouraging violence by his supporters and he did nothing to tell them that was inappropriate. I hope he and the Republicans lose in a absolute blowout.


Not even two weeks after some guys got arrested for trying to kidnap her. Trump is actively destroying my state and is sabotaging any efforts to stop covid.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:18 am



I hope he wins just so I can turn to the nearest trumpster and say "I heard you were tired of winning. Don't worry, you'll never be doing that again."
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:18 am

Zurkerx wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521563-crowd-chants-lock-her-up-about-whitmer-at-michigan-trump-rally

Crowd chants lock her up about Whitmer at Trump's rally in Michigan and the President says lock them all up. He is openly encouraging violence by his supporters and he did nothing to tell them that was inappropriate. I hope he and the Republicans lose in a absolute blowout.


Well, it shouldn't come as a surprise: Trump has been pushing the "Deep State" is against me kind of deal forever now. Unfortunately, it's going to be a lot closer than you think it will be.

I hope it’s a blowout

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:19 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Kyundao wrote:Twitter's been abusing the "fact check" system lately.

And fact checking is bad... how, exactly?


Because Trump is allowed to warp reality at will and change the past like this is the terminator franchise. If Trump says George Washington was actually gay, who are we to tell him "what is wrong with you?"
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:21 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:And fact checking is bad... how, exactly?


Because Trump is allowed to warp reality at will and change the past like this is the terminator franchise. If Trump says George Washington was actually gay, who are we to tell him "what is wrong with you?"


Was he gay, tho?
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:21 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:


I hope he wins just so I can turn to the nearest trumpster and say "I heard you were tired of winning. Don't worry, you'll never be doing that again."

No, I support Biden in part because everyone will win under him. Even Trump supporters.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:22 am

Geneviev wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I hope he wins just so I can turn to the nearest trumpster and say "I heard you were tired of winning. Don't worry, you'll never be doing that again."

No, I support Biden in part because everyone will win under him. Even Trump supporters.


Even Trump, I'd say. Dude must be exhausted.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:24 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Because Trump is allowed to warp reality at will and change the past like this is the terminator franchise. If Trump says George Washington was actually gay, who are we to tell him "what is wrong with you?"


Was he gay, tho?


No. I hope Trump never makes this claim.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:25 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, I support Biden in part because everyone will win under him. Even Trump supporters.


Even Trump, I'd say. Dude must be exhausted.


Trump didn't deserve to face a nice guy like Biden. He deserved to face a savage who would laugh at him, bring up his most embarrassing moments and cause him to end the night shitting himself.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:27 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Even Trump, I'd say. Dude must be exhausted.


Trump didn't deserve to face a nice guy like Biden. He deserved to face a savage who would laugh at him, bring up his most embarrassing moments and cause him to end the night shitting himself.


You mean turn the process into exactly the kind of shitflinging reality show that Trump feeds on?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:51 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump didn't deserve to face a nice guy like Biden. He deserved to face a savage who would laugh at him, bring up his most embarrassing moments and cause him to end the night shitting himself.


You mean turn the process into exactly the kind of shitflinging reality show that Trump feeds on?


Trump only enjoys it when he has an easy target. When everyone is laughing at him and he's being endlessly criticized, he has a fit.

Remember that town hall two nights ago?
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Postby Bizan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:54 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.


You'd think we'd have learned our Disinformation Lesson by now, but I guess not.

:blink:

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:58 am

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Kyundao wrote:Twitter's been abusing the "fact check" system lately. More critically in my opinion, and I hate having to beat an already dead horse again, they protect pedos and predators as well as accounts that advocate for committing crimes.


It isn’t Twitter’s fault that Trump is violating their policies by lying and promoting violence.

It isn’t the restaurant’s fault that you do not like the food if it was properly prepared.


To use that analogy, a restaurant is a Public Accommodation and cannot legally refuse to serve someone because of their race, gender or religion. Now I would argue that Twitter and Youtube are virtual equivalents of a Public Accommodation, in that they bring so many people together that "shopping elsewhere" for company is a much inferior option.

But it all gets more complicated when people exist on the service only as their own speech (and their choice of speech by others). The service is hardly more than a "place to be" and to stay popular it is better to allow a few people who are bothering others, than to exclude one too many. Becoming "exclusive" and raising prices is fine for a bar or club, but not for a virtual business which relies on advertising and harvesting user information. Losing customers is a death knell: they're no longer "the place to be".

I actually have no government prescription for Twitter and Facebook. Maybe some grounds to sue, for users aggrieved at their content being defaced or removed, but it seems basically too small a matter for the cost overhead of a civil trial to make any sense. Also it strikes a bad note of "money is speech". Really I think they're coping well, and maintaining the cooperation of most users, in rather uncharted territory.

The one kind of regulation Kyundao seems to want, prevention of political bias in the platforms, is the single worst approach government could take. Political speech is THE most important form of speech, and if it comes in the form of corporations censoring speech on the platforms they own, then that's just tough luck. If it was brought up four decades ago I would have said "you want to silence the corporations, absolutely comrade! Let's ban advertising on TV, radio and newspapers!" but when it's brought up now, by Republicans wanting to be heard over the censorship of their corporate enemies, I have nothing but gloating contempt. Ain't the free market a bitch?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:01 am

Bizan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.


You'd think we'd have learned our Disinformation Lesson by now, but I guess not.

:blink:

I have RTE (Irish news company) liked on facebook and they put up an article this morning about Biden and Trump, cant remember what exactly. And the comments were just full of people bitching about Hunter and how the bidens were all gona get arrested by the FBI.

Fucking crackpots.

And it just serves as further evidence to not look at any comments sections on facebook as its a colossal shit stain.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:05 am

Bizan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Man, cant believe biden and his whole family are gona get arrested tomorrow.

Must be true, some dipshit told me on facebook.


You'd think we'd have learned our Disinformation Lesson by now, but I guess not.

:blink:


Not until tomorrow. Then the FBI will deny knowing anything about the charges again Biden, and we'll know they're in on the plot too.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:09 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
You mean turn the process into exactly the kind of shitflinging reality show that Trump feeds on?


Trump only enjoys it when he has an easy target. When everyone is laughing at him and he's being endlessly criticized, he has a fit.

Remember that town hall two nights ago?


Literally anyone's an easy target. It's what he's good at.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:17 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump only enjoys it when he has an easy target. When everyone is laughing at him and he's being endlessly criticized, he has a fit.

Remember that town hall two nights ago?


Literally anyone's an easy target. It's what he's good at.

“Good” is relative. Nothing Trump has done could be considered ‘clever’ as much as they are the basest banal and childish shit.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:23 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Literally anyone's an easy target. It's what he's good at.

“Good” is relative. Nothing Trump has done could be considered ‘clever’ as much as they are the basest banal and childish shit.


I don't say it's clever. I'm saying he's good at politics by attack and spectacle.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:32 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Trump only enjoys it when he has an easy target. When everyone is laughing at him and he's being endlessly criticized, he has a fit.

Remember that town hall two nights ago?


Literally anyone's an easy target. It's what he's good at.


Except he's not. He couldn't even get that many good punches in on Biden at the debate, so I can't imagine if he faced the literal embodiment of the Chad meme onstage. Trump did well in 2016 cause people enjoyed seeing the Bush family and Clintons get burned. In 2020, Trump stands onstage as a sad circus clown that most Americans don't love nor respect.
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