2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Nobel Hobos 2]

"Gay people ARE socially disabled" would have been a better line. I'm done reaching after someone who keeps running away.

Well complaining that I keep refusing to make the argument you want me to make is one way to admit you didn't actually read the argument and were just trying to stoke outrage.

"The argument" was an unattributed quote. That you're unable to back it up is neither here nor there, it really just shows that quote things that strike you as clever, but without actually understanding them".

I'll argue the point further. You go and get the person who wrote it, and I'll argue it with them.

Arguing it with you, when you don't understand it, is a waste of both our time.

[Vassenor]

Well complaining that I keep refusing to make the argument you want me to make is one way to admit you didn't actually read the argument and were just trying to stoke outrage.

"The argument" was an unattributed quote. That you're unable to back it up is neither here nor there, it really just shows that quote things that strike you as clever, but without actually understanding them".

I'll argue the point further. You go and get the person who wrote it, and I'll argue it with them.

Arguing it with you, when you don't understand it, is a waste of both our time.

I'm not the one claiming that "people get upset when things aren't all about them" was calling gay people disabled. So going on about how I don't understand the argument is rich as fuck.

[New Visayan Islands]

People, it's time to get back on track before things get ugly. Now.

Thanks!
NVI

[Nobel Hobos 2]

"The argument" was an unattributed quote. That you're unable to back it up is neither here nor there, it really just shows that quote things that strike you as clever, but without actually understanding them".

I'll argue the point further. You go and get the person who wrote it, and I'll argue it with them.

Arguing it with you, when you don't understand it, is a waste of both our time.

I'm not the one claiming that "people get upset when things aren't all about them" was calling gay people disabled. So going on about how I don't understand the argument is rich as fuck.

You don't understand the quote you dropped (as though it was your own, btw, that's not a good look). If all you can make of it is "people get upset when things aren't all about them" ... then you're barely getting half of it.

No, I'm not going to explain like you're 5, what's wrong with it. I'm not going to argue against it (because the author isn't here). And I'm certainly not going to restate the argument, because it's offensive to say that gay people get a privilege by having a parade (like anyone else, if they want a parade they have to make one). AND it's offensive to imply they deserve any special treatment the way disabled people do.

EDIT: Leaving it there, then. We can discuss this in a more appropriate thread.

[Vassenor]

As Trump casts doubt on election, new agency contradicts him

WASHINGTON (AP) — Earlier this month, President Donald Trump was predicting on Twitter that this election would be “the most corrupt” in American history. A day later, the head of an obscure government agency he created offered a much different message.

Christopher Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, closed an online conference with a warning about “bad guys, whoever they are,” trying to “sow chaos, sow doubt” about the integrity of the U.S. election.

“I have confidence that your vote is secure, that state and local election officials across this country are working day in and day out, 24/7, that the 2020 election is as secure as possible,” Krebs said.

It was just one of many ways that CISA has been offering a counternarrative as it works behind the scenes to not only help safeguard the election but also to reassure the public despite messages to the contrary from the White House.

That conflict could be on display on Election Day. Krebs and CISA will be in the national spotlight, monitoring the election amid the inevitable voting glitches and delays, which could be worsened by the coronavirus pandemic, under a president who has said he might not respect the results if he loses.

Krebs warned voters this week to “be prepared for efforts that call into question the legitimacy of the election” without mentioning that it’s the president who has questioned mail-in voting and has called attention to relatively minor incidents in which a small number of ballots had apparently been discarded.

So Trump's anti-corruption agency is calling out his attempts to corrupt the election.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

As Trump casts doubt on election, new agency contradicts him

WASHINGTON (AP) — Earlier this month, President Donald Trump was predicting on Twitter that this election would be “the most corrupt” in American history. A day later, the head of an obscure government agency he created offered a much different message.

Christopher Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, closed an online conference with a warning about “bad guys, whoever they are,” trying to “sow chaos, sow doubt” about the integrity of the U.S. election.

“I have confidence that your vote is secure, that state and local election officials across this country are working day in and day out, 24/7, that the 2020 election is as secure as possible,” Krebs said.

It was just one of many ways that CISA has been offering a counternarrative as it works behind the scenes to not only help safeguard the election but also to reassure the public despite messages to the contrary from the White House.

That conflict could be on display on Election Day. Krebs and CISA will be in the national spotlight, monitoring the election amid the inevitable voting glitches and delays, which could be worsened by the coronavirus pandemic, under a president who has said he might not respect the results if he loses.

Krebs warned voters this week to “be prepared for efforts that call into question the legitimacy of the election” without mentioning that it’s the president who has questioned mail-in voting and has called attention to relatively minor incidents in which a small number of ballots had apparently been discarded.

So Trump's anti-corruption agency is calling out his attempts to corrupt the election.

Telling the public to ignore things Trump says isn't quite "calling out" but I guess it's as close as they can get without being fired!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Tax returns are different from an affair. If said affair was criminal then it should be public.

Cunningham’s affair was criminal. Adultery is a crime when your in the military which he is.

Why does the military even care about that 19th century nonsense?
Also you can't get done for adultery if you don't get married, so they're applying a marriage disincentive too!

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It shouldn't be.

Yes. It should. You're not military, don't mistake yourself as an authority on the subject.

What point is there to it?

(See, I think you're going to say basically "I don't know" which would demonstrate that even those in the military aren't entitled to an opinion)

I dont see how one has to do with the other. Some things ought to remain private.

You don't see how honesty is a trait relevant to political office?

If you really cared, you wouldn't have voted for Trump even one time.

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Well isnt higher turnout often a bad thing for conservative parties around the world? Dont they tend to benefit from lower turnouts?

Dunno. Here in Australia almost everyone votes every election and our Conservative party still manages to win an upsetting amount of times.

Well two-party Parties are only relatively left and right. I would argue the center is further left in Australia (compared to the US but not to the UK) and it could well be because of compulsory voting.

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Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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You find that funny? 'Cos what I noticed is that only one or two of them took "coyote" to mean the animal and responded accordingly. The vast majority of them picked that the word didn't make sense in context and queried it!

This is an exemplary response to not understanding a word. A person like you could learn a lot from them.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Why would anyone do research to post on mf Twitter. It's not an academic paper.

Well yeah. It makes people less lonely to engage in the personal form of a quick Google search.

We don't have much time for it here, I guess, but we're not Twitter.

[New haven america]

Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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You know they're making fun of Trump, right?

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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You know they're making fun of Trump, right?

Looks like Kex beat me to it. Here's the full context.

[Tyrassueb]

Trump issues an executive order to undermine a possible Biden administration by making next to impossible to fire a large number of political appointees by restructuring them and reclassifying them as "Schedule F civil servant, a policy known as "burrowing in" and which is a heavily restricted practice.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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You know they're making fun of Trump, right?

Making fools of themselves. It's obvious from the context that "coyote" doesn't mean a species of dog.

All they have to do is Google it, but to be honest, I didn't google much during either of the debates: there isn't time to follow the debate, comment on the debate, AND look stuff up.

I'll say again, most of those comments DIDN'T misunderstand the word, they only appeared to query it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Trump issues an executive order to undermine a possible Biden administration by making next to impossible to fire a large number of political appointees by restructuring them and reclassifying them as "Schedule F civil servant, a policy known as "burrowing in" and which is a heavily restricted practice.

They can't do this! Democrats didn't do it first!

[Tyrassueb]

Trump issues an executive order to undermine a possible Biden administration by making next to impossible to fire a large number of political appointees by restructuring them and reclassifying them as "Schedule F civil servant, a policy known as "burrowing in" and which is a heavily restricted practice.

They can't do this! Democrats didn't do it first!

Events like this have happened before (I think the earliest case of this was back in the early or mid 1800s) and the courts ruled it was basically illegal.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Trump issues an executive order to undermine a possible Biden administration by making next to impossible to fire a large number of political appointees by restructuring them and reclassifying them as "Schedule F civil servant, a policy known as "burrowing in" and which is a heavily restricted practice.

I sense that should Biden be elected he’ll executive order away this executive order once he takes office and that’ll be the end of that.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Trump issues an executive order to undermine a possible Biden administration by making next to impossible to fire a large number of political appointees by restructuring them and reclassifying them as "Schedule F civil servant, a policy known as "burrowing in" and which is a heavily restricted practice.

I sense that should Biden be elected he’ll executive order away this executive order once he takes office and that’ll be the end of that.

Some civil servants are being made to 'walk the plank'. Their employment will end the day before Inauguration day. I think Biden can just re-employ them.

Others though, who were appointed instead of promoted on merit, might be made permanent at the same time. "Burrowed in". Just rescinding the order wouldn't remove them: they'd be federal employees by then. They'd have to be fired (not easy to do in the civil service) or the courts would need to get involved, to declare their employment to have been unlawful in the first place.

It might even be necessary for Congress to get involved. I hope not!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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Meanwhile Trump denies climate change and thinks you can inject bleach. You posted a photo of people mocking Trump for claiming that these kids were smuggled here when in reality he sadistically separated them from their moms and dads and won't own up to it, being the psychopath he is.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You know they're making fun of Trump, right?

Looks like Kex beat me to it. Here's the full context.

Oh fox News. The guys who tried to claim there were middle eastern terrorists in the migrant caravan.

Most people know what a coyote is. They also know you have to be a sick fuck to separate babies from mothers, which I guess is a-ok in Trump world because they're brown and brown lives don't matter or some shit.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Looks like Kex beat me to it. Here's the full context.

Oh fox News. The guys who tried to claim there were middle eastern terrorists in the migrant caravan.

Most people know what a coyote is. They also know you have to be a sick fuck to separate babies from mothers, which I guess is a-ok in Trump world because they're brown and brown lives don't matter or some shit.

And Obama built the cages! What was Trump supposed to do, let Federal money go to waste?

[Tarsonis]

Cunningham’s affair was criminal. Adultery is a crime when your in the military which he is.

Why does the military even care about that 19th century nonsense?
Also you can't get done for adultery if you don't get married, so they're applying a marriage disincentive too!

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Yes. It should. You're not military, don't mistake yourself as an authority on the subject.

What point is there to it?

(See, I think you're going to say basically "I don't know" which would demonstrate that even those in the military aren't entitled to an opinion)

You don't see how honesty is a trait relevant to political office?

If you really cared, you wouldn't have voted for Trump even one time.

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Dunno. Here in Australia almost everyone votes every election and our Conservative party still manages to win an upsetting amount of times.

Well two-party Parties are only relatively left and right. I would argue the center is further left in Australia (compared to the US but not to the UK) and it could well be because of compulsory voting.

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Twitter Liberals: “We are the smart people, listen to us unlike those Trump supporting science deniers”

Also Twitter Liberals:

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You find that funny? 'Cos what I noticed is that only one or two of them took "coyote" to mean the animal and responded accordingly. The vast majority of them picked that the word didn't make sense in context and queried it!

This is an exemplary response to not understanding a word. A person like you could learn a lot from them.

Actually, the point is good order and discipline. Military units are close knit communities that depend on eachother in life or death situations. Makes it hard if somebody is banging someone else's spouse. The regulation prohibiting it gives commands the ability to address the issue through administrative means, where as without it they'd have no grounds to do so.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Why does the military even care about that 19th century nonsense?
Also you can't get done for adultery if you don't get married, so they're applying a marriage disincentive too!

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What point is there to it?

Actually, the point is good order and discipline. Military units are close knit communities that depend on eachother in life or death situations. Makes it hard if somebody is banging someone else's spouse. The regulation prohibiting it gives commands the ability to address the issue through administrative means, where as without it they'd have no grounds to do so.

Oh, it's only infidelity with another serviceperson's spouse?

That makes more sense. The military shouldn't care if you're banging the baker's wife.

[San Lumen]

I sense that should Biden be elected he’ll executive order away this executive order once he takes office and that’ll be the end of that.

Some civil servants are being made to 'walk the plank'. Their employment will end the day before Inauguration day. I think Biden can just re-employ them.

Others though, who were appointed instead of promoted on merit, might be made permanent at the same time. "Burrowed in". Just rescinding the order wouldn't remove them: they'd be federal employees by then. They'd have to be fired (not easy to do in the civil service) or the courts would need to get involved, to declare their employment to have been unlawful in the first place.

It might even be necessary for Congress to get involved. I hope not!

This is similar to the midnight judges Adams appointed to try and hurt Jefferson. The court case Marbury vs Madison created judicial review.

I don’t trust the courts to overturn this. Congress should be the ones to overturn this.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

They were talking about which demographic is still for Trump more than against him.

And it is low-educated white people, and residents of red states.

And too obviously, registered Republicans.

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

https://www.usnews.com/news/at-the-edge ... nald-trump

Trump tends to get support from the ninth grade drop out types in large amounts.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Some civil servants are being made to 'walk the plank'. Their employment will end the day before Inauguration day. I think Biden can just re-employ them.

Others though, who were appointed instead of promoted on merit, might be made permanent at the same time. "Burrowed in". Just rescinding the order wouldn't remove them: they'd be federal employees by then. They'd have to be fired (not easy to do in the civil service) or the courts would need to get involved, to declare their employment to have been unlawful in the first place.

It might even be necessary for Congress to get involved. I hope not!

This is similar to the midnight judges Adams appointed to try and hurt Jefferson. The court case Marbury vs Madison created judicial review.

I don’t trust the courts to overturn this. Congress should be the ones to overturn this.

The "midnight judges" were enabled by Congress actually creating the positions for Adams to fill. Most of them remained iirc: the new ones on the circuit courts. The new SC justices were reversed the next year (I think by attrition).

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Oh fox News. The guys who tried to claim there were middle eastern terrorists in the migrant caravan.

Most people know what a coyote is. They also know you have to be a sick fuck to separate babies from mothers, which I guess is a-ok in Trump world because they're brown and brown lives don't matter or some shit.

And Obama built the cages! What was Trump supposed to do, let Federal money go to waste?

Trump's the kind of guy to call a kid with down syndrome "a dumbass fucking waste of space on earth who should have been aborted" and then turn around and say "hey Obama once called me stupid and he supported abortion which gets rid of kids with down syndrome so actually this is his fault."

But Obama is like the new catchphrase when Donald Trump does something awful, and 90% of the time whatever Obama did wasn't as bad as what Trump is doing in the present.