2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Senkaku]

I don't know Charlie Dent, but the others kinda suck besides Charlie Baker. Jeff Flake talked a tough game and did jack shit against Trump just like the rest, Meg Whitman spent a shit ton on a failed bid for California Governor, and John Kasich isn't as good as people make him out to be.

Flake and Whitman would be bad choices I agree. Kasich isnt terrible though. Dent is very moderate but Baker is left of him.

Is he not terrible bc you agree with him on stuff, or is he not terrible bc he's just one of the ones you've seen the most in CNN chyrons as having said orange man bad

[The Black Forrest]

How?

Very milquetoast neoliberal who isn't as socially progressive as people like Sanders, Obama, or AOC.

Examples?

[Senkaku]

Jesus fucking christ. If he does that it's going to destroy any hope, ability, or will for progressive policymaking. I was really hoping we weren't going to get the compromise-austerity-triangulation Biden scenario but fuck I guess that's what's happening

Soooo the two parties are fighting

what a compelling and substantive assessment of the political crisis gripping the republic! "two parties fighting." good people on both sides!

and it’s a bad thing to try and get more talking and working together on issues?

It's a bad thing to let the party that in theory should be defining itself by fighting for workers and marginalized groups be hijacked by right-wing austerity, laissez-faireism, and religious conservatism, yes. I don't know if you noticed but the planet is on fire and we really don't have a moment to lose dealing with calls coming from inside the house

Would your Howie dude “degrade” himself for a staff potition?

I have no idea what this sentence means.

Why not get people to poss that to Biden?

This one either. Reformulate and spellcheck and I will try again?

[Senkaku]

Very milquetoast neoliberal who isn't as socially progressive as people like Sanders, Obama, or AOC.

Examples?

not on board with medicare for all, a green new deal, bussing, very much on board with fracking, some very tough stuff in his record to defend ('94, Iraq)

you can't seriously be arguing he's just as progressive as Sanders or AOC, can you? I feel like that's moving beyond semantic warfare into just abandoning any sense of a shared reality

[The Huskar Social Union]

there are heroes on both sides, evil is everywhere

[Valrifell]

Sadly, President Ocasio-Cortez is a 2024 treat.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Very milquetoast neoliberal who isn't as socially progressive as people like Sanders, Obama, or AOC.

Examples?

Can start with the crime bill as well as his support for the Iraq war and Syrian intervention, and of course NAFTA.

[Valrifell]

Examples?

Can start with the crime bill as well as his support for the Iraq war and Syrian intervention, and of course NAFTA.

It was the 90s and early 2000s, everyone was doing it.

[The Black Forrest]

Soooo the two parties are fighting

what a compelling and substantive assessment of the political crisis gripping the republic! "two parties fighting." good people on both sides!

That was a waste of typing on your part and a weak attempt of deflecting.

Anyway. How is it bad to try and work together?

and it’s a bad thing to try and get more talking and working together on issues?

It's a bad thing to let the party that in theory should be defining itself by fighting for workers and marginalized groups be hijacked by right-wing austerity, laissez-faireism, and religious conservatism, yes. I don't know if you noticed but the planet is on fire and we really don't have a moment to lose dealing with calls coming from inside the house

So Biden acknowledges climate change is a far better step then calling it a hoax.

Would your Howie dude “degrade” himself for a staff potition?

I have no idea what this sentence means.

Howie is not your hero to change everything?

Why not get people to poss that to Biden?

This one either. Reformulate and spellcheck and I will try again?

Grammar arguments are boring. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt you are smart enough to understand spelling mistakes. Am I mistaken?

[Corrian]

Fun fact, Culp has no political history. Just like Trump. This is Republicans picks lately. He apparently dropped out of high school, started a construction company, then decided to be a cop, the only cop mind you, of a town of 1,000 people, in Republic, Washington. Then he decides the next step is to run for governor. There's like no in between political experience. And he's who gets the nomination of all people. And Republicans wonder why they keep losing up here.

Like look, I actually agree with the general idea that yes, politicians in Olympia SHOULD do more for the eastern side of the state, and not just care for the western side. But the solution to that isn't to choose a candidate who only cares about the eastern side of the state and not the western side.

Mind you, he's also an anti-masker, made a comment about how democracy leads to socialism which leads to communism, got famous by going against a law passed by the voters, then proceeds to get butthurt (Along with his fans) for something going against a law passed by the voters, aka the car tabs thing. Like they're not even self aware of the irony of that.


Also in the bit of the debate I saw, he was commenting about how "Poor forest management" is what caused our fires up here this year. Apparently he's unaware that the largest fire this year was in the non-forested part of our state.

That and the Republicans were hopelessly deadlocked as I recall. It could've been worse, Tim Eyman could've gotten the nod.

Probably the only one I might deem actually worse than Culp. Tim Eyman is a stain on our state. He's the one that keeps pushing the stupid $30 car tabs bullshit that's now been knocked down as unconstitutional TWICE, and he's the reason we have these useless advisory votes on our ballot that just take up space. Apparently he might get charged on campaign finance violations though, which apparently would make it so he can't propose anything anymore.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Can start with the crime bill as well as his support for the Iraq war and Syrian intervention, and of course NAFTA.

It was the 90s and early 2000s, everyone was doing it.

So then he's a coward who just goes along with what everyone else wants? Why should I trust him to keep the party of Trump in check?

And how was everyone else doing NAFTA? I'm pretty sure most people didn't wanna have their jobs sent to Mexico. As for Syria, that was the 2010s my guy.

[Arlenton]

I mean, turnabout's fair play, why should they pay attention to urban areas?

A governor should only be concerned with one part of the state? They are the executive of the entire state not just places that voted for them.

Tell that to Pritzker.

[Corrian]

What a loon. shows had far right Republicans have become. They are doubling down on the ignore urban areas mantra and anti science.

I mean, turnabout's fair play, why should they pay attention to urban areas?

I mean good luck even winning the state in the first place with that attitude. Inslee's going to win by his largest margin yet.

[San Lumen]

A governor should only be concerned with one part of the state? They are the executive of the entire state not just places that voted for them.

Tell that to Pritzker.

How has he ignored rural areas?

[Arlenton]

Tell that to Pritzker.

How has he ignored rural areas?

You've never been to rural Illinois, have ya?

Pretty much everything here

[San Lumen]

How has he ignored rural areas?

You've never been to rural Illinois, have ya?

Pretty much everything here

and that's ignoring rural areas how?

[Shrillland]

How has he ignored rural areas?

You've never been to rural Illinois, have ya?

Pretty much everything here

I live in Rural Illinois, as well you know, and I think this all works. Hell, if the tax amendment passes, we'll finally get to work on slashing our insane property taxes, and that'll help everyone across the state.

[Arlenton]

What a loon. shows had far right Republicans have become. They are doubling down on the ignore urban areas mantra and anti science.

I mean, turnabout's fair play, why should they pay attention to urban areas?

Washington Republicans can't win statewide. The best thing to do would be to block everything that they possibly can at all times. Maybe get some concessions.

[Arlenton]

You've never been to rural Illinois, have ya?

Pretty much everything here

and that's ignoring rural areas how?

By doing the opposite of what rural areas want.

[Senkaku]

what a compelling and substantive assessment of the political crisis gripping the republic! "two parties fighting." good people on both sides!

That was a waste of typing on your part and a weak attempt of deflecting.

Anyway. How is it bad to try and work together?

What evidence is there that the Democrats can work in good faith with the Republicans at this point? They're already gearing up for post-election austerity and debt hawkery. They're still extremists leading an insurgent party that's married white grievance to right-wing economics and has proven willing to take a wrecking ball to our political institutions and the lives of the citizenry. The moment demands more than half-assed centrist compromises that inspire support from no one in particular.

If you still believe that once Trump is gone we'll just be able to go have compromise and collaboration and it'll just be one big fucking lovefest, you are completely out of touch and have missed the point of most of the political history of the last decade.

It's a bad thing to let the party that in theory should be defining itself by fighting for workers and marginalized groups be hijacked by right-wing austerity, laissez-faireism, and religious conservatism, yes. I don't know if you noticed but the planet is on fire and we really don't have a moment to lose dealing with calls coming from inside the house

So Biden acknowledges climate change is a far better step then calling it a hoax.

Did I say he's worse than Trump? Show me where I said that! A worst-case Biden scenario is still better than a best-case Trump scenario, all I said was that the fact they're vetting all these Republicans for cabinet positions indicates to me that we appear to be diverging from a best-case Biden scenario. Letting a bunch of right-wing Never Trumpers with no allegiance to or interest in the Democratic Party's viability co-opt the party is not a good solution to the problem of confronting the even further right-wing people in Trump's camp.

I have no idea what this sentence means.

Howie is not your hero to change everything?

Is this a meme I missed? I haven't checked Twitter in like two days, who is this mononymic Howie

This one either. Reformulate and spellcheck and I will try again?

Grammar arguments are boring. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt you are smart enough to understand spelling mistakes. Am I mistaken?

I'm confused about what you were even asking, not just your spelling. Perhaps I am just not smart enough to understand your point, try asking me as if I were a small child, or a medium-sized octopus.

[San Lumen]

and that's ignoring rural areas how?

By doing the opposite of what rural areas want.

So he should only do what rural areas want and ignore urban areas?

I mean, turnabout's fair play, why should they pay attention to urban areas?

Washington Republicans can't win statewide. The best thing to do would be to block everything that they possibly can at all times. Maybe get some concessions.

How are they going to do that when they don't hold the legislature and only hold one statewide office?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Howie Hawkins is the green party candidate for the 2020 election.

[Arlenton]

By doing the opposite of what rural areas want.

So he should only do what rural areas want and ignore urban areas?

Washington Republicans can't win statewide. The best thing to do would be to block everything that they possibly can at all times. Maybe get some concessions.

How are they going to do that when they don't hold the legislature and only hold one statewide office?

Pritzker, form his perspective, should continue doing what he is doing. Why should he have to listen to rural voters? He has enough support in the Chicago area to win re-election, and keep a Democratic legislature, just fine.

Just like how Republicans ignore urban areas.

And in Washington, didn't state legislators leave the state to prevent some climate bill from passing?

[Valrifell]

It was the 90s and early 2000s, everyone was doing it.

So then he's a coward who just goes along with what everyone else wants?

Yes that's what a representative democracy is. I don't understand arguments like that, how dare he represent the values of his constituents at the time of his service as Senator, I guess.

[San Lumen]

So he should only do what rural areas want and ignore urban areas?


How are they going to do that when they don't hold the legislature and only hold one statewide office?

Pritzker, form his perspective, should continue doing what he is doing. Why should he have to listen to rural voters? He has enough support in the Chicago area to win re-election, and keep a Democratic legislature, just fine.

Just like how Republicans ignore urban areas.

And in Washington, didn't state legislators leave the state to prevent some climate bill from passing?

I dont think any area should be ignored.

Your thinking of Oregon.