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Who Do You Support in the 2020 General Election?

Donald Trump (R)
147
29%
Joe Biden (D)
276
54%
Howie Hawkins (G)
59
12%
Jo Jorgensen (L)
27
5%
 
Total votes : 509

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Jerzylvania
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:

Someone should ask Chris Christie if he endorses this.


Did you know Kellyanne Conway was from NJ? She might be in one of those cars! :lol:
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Postby Tokora » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm

If Trump loses then pardons himself, his family, and his administration, would Biden have no choice but to accept it or can congress decide to reduce the power of the pardon?

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm

Tokora wrote:If Trump loses then pardons himself, his family, and his administration, would Biden have no choice but to accept it or can congress decide to reduce the power of the pardon?


Can't pre-pardon yourself. I don't think he's been convicted of any crimes.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm

Tokora wrote:If Trump loses then pardons himself, his family, and his administration, would Biden have no choice but to accept it or can congress decide to reduce the power of the pardon?


He would still be on the hook for state investigations.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:55 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Tokora wrote:If Trump loses then pardons himself, his family, and his administration, would Biden have no choice but to accept it or can congress decide to reduce the power of the pardon?


Can't pre-pardon yourself. I don't think he's been convicted of any crimes.


He hasn't even been charged with anything.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:56 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You do realize its comedy right?


Yes, but fear isn't necessarily unwarranted. Evil will always triumph, because good, is dumb.

Who made that man a gunner?

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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:59 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:I don't think you understand the devastation a second ACW would cause but to try and kick it off in the event that he legitimately wins is incredibly egregious. The other two scenarios there is a valid reason but that first one is pretty disgusting tbh. He's a piece of shit but he'd be gone in four years and there is a chance the Dems flip the Senate.


Civil War should not be talked about lightly.

Meanwhile many Americans are doing just that.

In the past a lot of claims that "Obama will cause another civil war!" "Bush will cause another civil war!" etc were overblown sore loser syndrome. But even now a lot of political scientists are saying it's a possibility. I occasionally still talk to an old prof of mine who has done a lot of research on civil wars and he's said that the US is now in a place where it is a possibility.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:00 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Civil War should not be talked about lightly.

Meanwhile many Americans are doing just that.

In the past a lot of claims that "Obama will cause another civil war!" "Bush will cause another civil war!" etc were overblown sore loser syndrome. But even now a lot of political scientists are saying it's a possibility. I occasionally still talk to an old prof of mine who has done a lot of research on civil wars and he's said that the US is now in a place where it is a possibility.


I will agree its not hyperbole this time. I think the odds are slim but with the way things are going it can't be ruled out entirely.

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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:In the past a lot of claims that "Obama will cause another civil war!" "Bush will cause another civil war!" etc were overblown sore loser syndrome. But even now a lot of political scientists are saying it's a possibility. I occasionally still talk to an old prof of mine who has done a lot of research on civil wars and he's said that the US is now in a place where it is a possibility.


I will agree its not hyperbole this time. I think the odds are slim but with the way things are going it can't be ruled out entirely.

I would agree it's pretty slim if about 90% of Americans still retained a shared sense of history but that is increasingly no longer the case.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Someone should ask Chris Christie if he endorses this.


Did you know Kellyanne Conway was from NJ? She might be in one of those cars! :lol:

If Christie were in one of them, that would give him a taste of his own medicine.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:03 pm

https://nypost.com/2020/11/01/cops-clas ... 20%251%24s

NYPD really considers it a clash when they shove and beat peaceful protesters for blocking a sidewalk...oh but the Trumpsters can block a highway and that's alright.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:03 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I will agree its not hyperbole this time. I think the odds are slim but with the way things are going it can't be ruled out entirely.

I would agree it's pretty slim if about 90% of Americans still retained a shared sense of history but that is increasingly no longer the case.


It depends on what counts as a civil war. What do you consider to be a civil war?
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:04 pm

Diahon wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Everyone will not die if he wins legitimately, my God. Not to mention the number of people's lives you are willing to toss under the bus, willing to gamble with, purely out of spite and vindictiveness leaves you in no position to claim moral righteousness.


spite? vindictiveness? he's the one killing hundreds of thousands despite a fucking pandemic, he's the one holding rallies despite all he's done, he's the one downplaying the effects of this pandemic, he's the one who wants states to open up, ready or not, he's the one who's left the united states defenseless before this pandemic...

... and i'm the spiteful one? the vindictive one? just for calling him who he is? just for predicting what he'll do if he holds on to power, by crook and crookier? for literally preferring the less wasteful (of lives, or money, of time) of two very unpalatable, immensely self-harming options?



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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:04 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/11/01/cops-clash-with-anti-trump-protesters-in-nyc/amp/#aoh=16042751576413&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

NYPD really considers it a clash when they shove and beat peaceful protesters for blocking a sidewalk...oh but the Trumpsters can block a highway and that's alright.


And they have the nerve to wonder why they dont get respect and their recruitment is down.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:04 pm

Meanwhile, as Trump supporters block NJ highways..

North Carolina police pepper sprayed and arrested attendees at a get-out-the vote rally because participants blocked the roadway without authorization, authorities said on Saturday.

The “I Am Change” march to the polls was organized by the Reverend Greg Drumwright and began as a march from a local church to the courthouse. Drumwright said the group was permitted to stand in the square outside the Alamance county courthouse and was escorted through the streets by the police. He also said that the group had “no intention” of having the rally in the street.

“We are fed up with this kind of treatment in Alamance county and in Graham city,” Drumwright said in a Facebook live video following the altercation. “Both of those law entities … colluded to suppress peaceful organizers, who were here not only to vote today, but to call an end to system oppression and racial disparages.”
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:06 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile, as Trump supporters block NJ highways..

North Carolina police pepper sprayed and arrested attendees at a get-out-the vote rally because participants blocked the roadway without authorization, authorities said on Saturday.

The “I Am Change” march to the polls was organized by the Reverend Greg Drumwright and began as a march from a local church to the courthouse. Drumwright said the group was permitted to stand in the square outside the Alamance county courthouse and was escorted through the streets by the police. He also said that the group had “no intention” of having the rally in the street.

“We are fed up with this kind of treatment in Alamance county and in Graham city,” Drumwright said in a Facebook live video following the altercation. “Both of those law entities … colluded to suppress peaceful organizers, who were here not only to vote today, but to call an end to system oppression and racial disparages.”

Another reason why police arent respected and they have the nerve to wonder why.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:07 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Diahon wrote:
spite? vindictiveness? he's the one killing hundreds of thousands despite a fucking pandemic, he's the one holding rallies despite all he's done, he's the one downplaying the effects of this pandemic, he's the one who wants states to open up, ready or not, he's the one who's left the united states defenseless before this pandemic...

... and i'm the spiteful one? the vindictive one? just for calling him who he is? just for predicting what he'll do if he holds on to power, by crook and crookier? for literally preferring the less wasteful (of lives, or money, of time) of two very unpalatable, immensely self-harming options?



yes. not your monkeys, not your circus.


In some ways, America is all of our circus, because your monkeys tend to effect our tents pretty dramatically.

Civil war is bad though, and shouldn't be advocated for in this case.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:07 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile, as Trump supporters block NJ highways..

North Carolina police pepper sprayed and arrested attendees at a get-out-the vote rally because participants blocked the roadway without authorization, authorities said on Saturday.

The “I Am Change” march to the polls was organized by the Reverend Greg Drumwright and began as a march from a local church to the courthouse. Drumwright said the group was permitted to stand in the square outside the Alamance county courthouse and was escorted through the streets by the police. He also said that the group had “no intention” of having the rally in the street.

“We are fed up with this kind of treatment in Alamance county and in Graham city,” Drumwright said in a Facebook live video following the altercation. “Both of those law entities … colluded to suppress peaceful organizers, who were here not only to vote today, but to call an end to system oppression and racial disparages.”


This is gonna be a thing isn't it? In a desperate attempt to protect the most openly pro police brutality president in American history, many of these departments are gonna brutalize protesters and voters who are against Trump.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:08 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

yes. not your monkeys, not your circus.


In some ways, America is all of our circus, because your monkeys tend to effect our tents pretty dramatically.

Civil war is bad though, and shouldn't be advocated for in this case.


If nothing else the entire world is tired of Trump dominating the news cycle.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:08 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile, as Trump supporters block NJ highways..

North Carolina police pepper sprayed and arrested attendees at a get-out-the vote rally because participants blocked the roadway without authorization, authorities said on Saturday.

The “I Am Change” march to the polls was organized by the Reverend Greg Drumwright and began as a march from a local church to the courthouse. Drumwright said the group was permitted to stand in the square outside the Alamance county courthouse and was escorted through the streets by the police. He also said that the group had “no intention” of having the rally in the street.

“We are fed up with this kind of treatment in Alamance county and in Graham city,” Drumwright said in a Facebook live video following the altercation. “Both of those law entities … colluded to suppress peaceful organizers, who were here not only to vote today, but to call an end to system oppression and racial disparages.”


This is gonna be a thing isn't it? In a desperate attempt to protect the most openly pro police brutality president in American history, many of these departments are gonna brutalize protesters and voters who are against Trump.

Yet another reason not to vote Republican. I wonder if they realize they are turning off voters with tactics like this.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:09 pm

Guess what, Biden was lying when he said he wouldn’t ban fracking

Luckily the working class of West Pennsylvania and the Midwest are listening and going out to vote, Biden will make them lose their jobs
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:09 pm

Remind me, what night is election night? Tomorrow or Tuesday?
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:09 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Remind me, what night is election night? Tomorrow or Tuesday?


Tuesday lmao

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Postby Geneviev » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:10 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Remind me, what night is election night? Tomorrow or Tuesday?

In 2020 time, all of the above. :p

But yes, Tuesday.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:10 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:Guess what, Biden was lying when he said he wouldn’t ban fracking

Luckily the working class of West Pennsylvania and the Midwest are listening and going out to vote, Biden will make them lose their jobs


Correction: Biden claims to want to slowly transition from oil to green energy. No one wants to take away their jobs forever and its disingenuous to claim otherwise.

We can give people new jobs. It isnt a choice between "burn earth to a crisp" and "put oil workers in tent cities for good."
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