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Who Do You Support in the 2020 General Election?

Donald Trump (R)
147
29%
Joe Biden (D)
276
54%
Howie Hawkins (G)
59
12%
Jo Jorgensen (L)
27
5%
 
Total votes : 509

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Autumn Wind
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:29 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:
Yeah, the sequestration imposed by the Republicans sucked. I wonder why they did it? Something, something the national debt something something. I wonder what happened to that issue.

One of their own assumed office. They've done this several times now.


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:30 pm

Esalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What?


Someone (presumably Val, but I don't fully remember) argued that incompetent/corrupt officials should be impeached and removed for being incompetent/corrupt, which you argued against.

Here, you're saying DeJoy should be indicted (and presumably removed) on the grounds of ballot tampering (i.e being corrupt).


incompetence is not a reason to impeach and remove someone. They should be for crimes and ballot tampering is a crime.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:30 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:One of their own assumed office. They've done this several times now.


“Deficits don’t matter” - Dick Cheney.


Believe it or he will shoot you in the face.
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Postby Esalia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Someone (presumably Val, but I don't fully remember) argued that incompetent/corrupt officials should be impeached and removed for being incompetent/corrupt, which you argued against.

Here, you're saying DeJoy should be indicted (and presumably removed) on the grounds of ballot tampering (i.e being corrupt).


incompetence is not a reason to impeach and remove someone. They should be for crimes and ballot tampering is a crime.


Incompetence is a pretty good reason to remove someone. So good, it's routinely done by a lot of entities.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Someone (presumably Val, but I don't fully remember) argued that incompetent/corrupt officials should be impeached and removed for being incompetent/corrupt, which you argued against.

Here, you're saying DeJoy should be indicted (and presumably removed) on the grounds of ballot tampering (i.e being corrupt).


incompetence is not a reason to impeach and remove someone. They should be for crimes and ballot tampering is a crime.


What ballots has DeJoy tampered with?
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ANTI:
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Someone (presumably Val, but I don't fully remember) argued that incompetent/corrupt officials should be impeached and removed for being incompetent/corrupt, which you argued against.

Here, you're saying DeJoy should be indicted (and presumably removed) on the grounds of ballot tampering (i.e being corrupt).


incompetence is not a reason to impeach and remove someone. They should be for crimes and ballot tampering is a crime.


The line between incompetence and malevolence in authority figures is incredibly thin.
Your faith does not amuse me. Fundamentalism is a singularly unfunny disposition- A Rightist Puppet

In short, "fascist" is a modern word for "heretic," branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic. The right uses otherwords ("reverse-racist," "feminazi," "unamerican," "communist") for similiar purposes, but these words have less elastic meanings. Fascism, however, is the gift that keeps on giving. - Jonah Goldberg, revisited.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:
“Deficits don’t matter” - Dick Cheney.


Believe it or he will shoot you in the face.


After the last 10 months, getting shot in the face is much less unattractive than it was...

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523397-thousands-of-mail-ballots-may-be-lost-pittsburgh-area-official-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

Could certain persons in the post office and or mail man be hiding or throwing away ballots they consider to be of Republicans? I think it is possible. A Lady Republican Poll watcher, told us Trump Republican Trump supporters. Their was a Democrat Lady Poll watcher, she would walk back and forth every few minutes to a certain area. When one of her people did the same, they were told they could not access the area. She complained as high up as possible, and the problem was solved. Strange case. I was once a Republican Poll watcher in Chicago, I have posted about a few times, perhaps you have never seen my posts on it, it is possible you have never seen my posts on it. GMS.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't understand people feeling that military might contributes to their safety at all. The threat of foreign invasion is essentially non-existent, no matter who's in charge and how much our allies dislike them.


This as well, our military escapades elsewhere only act as a detriment to our own safety, be it in the present or in our long and checkered past of trying to influence other countries with force.


Military involvement in foreign affairs unnecessarily risks the lives of American soldiers and civilians. Unless such involvement serves a purpose to prevent a clear and articulated threat to national security, we really ought not get involved.
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-Excessively Specific Government Programs
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-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
incompetence is not a reason to impeach and remove someone. They should be for crimes and ballot tampering is a crime.


The line between incompetence and malevolence in authority figures is incredibly thin.


Most of the folks in the Trump administration are both, to boot!
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:34 pm

Am i the only one by the way who he throws random comments at about my country's history? Because that is twice now. Or does he do it with everyone because he doesnt have an argument?
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Myrensis
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:34 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:
United Hemand Insia wrote:
He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?


Yeah, the sequestration imposed by the Republicans sucked. I wonder why they did it? Something, something the national debt something something. I wonder what happened to that issue.


Don't worry, if Biden wins you'll immediately see the entire Republican Party once again declaring how totally important fiscal responsibility and debt are to them, and complaining about how that Obama was so dastardly he managed to sneak in trillions of dollars of extra spending and debt in under Trump and the Republicans noses years after he left office and the Democrats lost the Senate!

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:36 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:
Yeah, the sequestration imposed by the Republicans sucked. I wonder why they did it? Something, something the national debt something something. I wonder what happened to that issue.


Don't worry, if Biden wins you'll immediately see the entire Republican Party once again declaring how totally important fiscal responsibility and debt are to them, and complaining about how that Obama was so dastardly he managed to sneak in trillions of dollars of extra spending and debt in under Trump and the Republicans noses years after he left office and the Democrats lost the Senate!


Don't forget the two years where the GOP also controlled the House.

The GOP had full control over government and failed to enact very much of their public agenda, and instead only succeeded in making them and their friends very wealthy. If that doesn't reveal their real intentions in politics then I don't know what will.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:37 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Am i the only one by the way who he throws random comments at about my country's history? Because that is twice now. Or does he do it with everyone because he doesnt have an argument?

I know what you mean, I get the same posts, reactions and worse on my posts on my native Cuba and the Castro's, I feel your Pain. GMS.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:38 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:... Trump Republican Trump supporters...


Do you differentiate yourself from Biden Democrat Trump supporters and Trump Republican Biden supporters?

Otherwise the title seems a little redundant.
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In short, "fascist" is a modern word for "heretic," branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic. The right uses otherwords ("reverse-racist," "feminazi," "unamerican," "communist") for similiar purposes, but these words have less elastic meanings. Fascism, however, is the gift that keeps on giving. - Jonah Goldberg, revisited.

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Postby United Hemand Insia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:39 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Am i the only one by the way who he throws random comments at about my country's history? Because that is twice now. Or does he do it with everyone because he doesnt have an argument?


When was the other time? I'm pretty sure that's the first time. I do have an argument, hence why we were ARGUING. Did that get throught oyur thick skull?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:39 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:... Trump Republican Trump supporters...


Do you differentiate yourself from Biden Democrat Trump supporters and Trump Republican Biden supporters?

Otherwise the title seems a little redundant.

You see he is a trump republican cultist trump republican supporter of trump republicans and he isnt a cultist unlike leftists biden no trump democrats who say they are all cultists but he is a proud republican trump cultist lol attack
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Am i the only one by the way who he throws random comments at about my country's history? Because that is twice now. Or does he do it with everyone because he doesnt have an argument?


When was the other time? I'm pretty sure that's the first time. I do have an argument, hence why we were ARGUING. Did that get throught oyur thick skull?

The last thread when you made a random ass comment about being Irish so why do i care as if that some how discounts anything i said.


Also oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hard lad
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:
Do you differentiate yourself from Biden Democrat Trump supporters and Trump Republican Biden supporters?

Otherwise the title seems a little redundant.

You see he is a trump republican cultist trump republican supporter of trump republicans and he isnt a cultist unlike leftists biden no trump democrats who say they are all cultists but he is a proud republican trump cultist lol attack


It's uncanny how well you do that.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:41 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523397-thousands-of-mail-ballots-may-be-lost-pittsburgh-area-official-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

Could certain persons in the post office and or mail man be hiding or throwing away ballots they consider to be of Republicans? I think it is possible.

Friendly reminder that, last I recall, it was a Trump-supporting USPS worker who got caught trying to get rid of large number of ballots from a Democratic-leaning area.

Turns out that, as usual, Republicans are the ones more prone to cheating in elections.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:42 pm

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Could certain persons in the post office and or mail man be hiding or throwing away ballots they consider to be of Republicans? I think it is possible.

Friendly reminder that, last I recall, it was a Trump-supporting USPS worker who got caught trying to get rid of large number of ballots from a Democratic-leaning area.

Turns out that, as usual, Republicans are the ones more prone to cheating in elections.


I mean they've not exactly been subtle about that, have they.

The only people who don't see the GOP trying to steal elections through suppression and intimidation tactics are other Republicans.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:42 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523397-thousands-of-mail-ballots-may-be-lost-pittsburgh-area-official-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

Could certain persons in the post office and or mail man be hiding or throwing away ballots they consider to be of Republicans? I think it is possible. A Lady Republican Poll watcher, told us Trump Republican Trump supporters. Their was a Democrat Lady Poll watcher, she would walk back and forth every few minutes to a certain area. When one of her people did the same, they were told they could not access the area. She complained as high up as possible, and the problem was solved. Strange case. I was once a Republican Poll watcher in Chicago, I have posted about a few times, perhaps you have never seen my posts on it, it is possible you have never seen my posts on it. GMS.

No. Don't make claims like that with no evidence.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:42 pm

United Hemand Insia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What great thing has he done?


He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

Yeah, why does it matter?

Is that the "great thing" he's done, increasing military spending by $100B? Giving some more money to the people he calls 'suckers' and 'losers'? Are you under the impression that a $600B budget is somehow not funding the military?

Regardless, that's... a poor record of greatness.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You see he is a trump republican cultist trump republican supporter of trump republicans and he isnt a cultist unlike leftists biden no trump democrats who say they are all cultists but he is a proud republican trump cultist lol attack


It's uncanny how well you do that.

Seared into my brain with all the times ive tried to argue with him on here.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:42 pm

I see it's getting a bit heated in here.

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