2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Esalia]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

Trump, the man with business deals with China (a country that at this point is more a state capitalist country masquerading as a communist country than a genuinely communist country) is totally the guy to fight China.

I hate China as much as the next guy, but Trump's not going to deal with China.

[Major-Tom]

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

Over 200,000 Americans are dead, we've lost crucial allies, our regime-building abroad has only increased the likelihood of terrorism etc etc, we are not being kept safe.

I respect our troops, as I hope most do, but to say that Trump is keeping us safe shows either a deliberate malfeasance of the facts on your end or a lack of understanding of them.

I feel more vulnerable and less safe than at any point in my life.

[Esalia]

You didn’t listen to Woodward tapes? As someone said why in the world of fuckall would you meet with Woodward and let it be taped?

It’s Trumps fault for the death toll getting so high and continues to climb. A plan would have actually reduced it. The wartime President actually turned out to be the Vichy President.

If you mean the recent treaties. Sure. That’s cool. Now if he had done that with the major combatants? That would be amazing.

You wouldn't care if he did something good for everyone because you are blinded by your hatred. 200,000 people is obviously 200,00 people who didn't deserve to die, but it's not like we can bring them back to life. In case you forgot, Jesus hasn't lived for 2,000 years. I don't understand why you treat COVID like it's the holocaust. Oh, wait, it's because Trump is president.

We can't.

We can, however, chuck out the president who presided over those 200,000+ deaths for failing to adequately deal with the thing that caused them.

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The defense budget is way overblown.

You're funny.

I mean I guess it is funny that San Lumen thinks the defense budget is excessive but supports liberals who are every bit as enthusiastic as pouring billions into the imperialist death machine as conservatives are.

That's probably not what you meant though, huh

[Valrifell]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

The American military was already the most funded military on the damn planet, much more than like the next 20 nations combined, a lot of whom are American Allies.

Meanwhile people die in America due to a fucked up healthcare system that punishes you for having the audacity to want to get better after being hurt or sick.

But no the American military clearly needs some more dollars to spend as it was so underfunded.

Yeah but we can't afford healthcare and our military, and choosing is hard. On one hand, we'll have less boomsticks and we won't be able to bomb nearly as many civilians but we'll be able to stop people from dying, but on the other we'd have fewer explosions in the world. Fuck this is hard.

[United Hemand Insia]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

The American military was already the most funded military on the damn planet, much more than like the next 20 nations combined, a lot of whom are American Allies.

Meanwhile people die in America due to a fucked up healthcare system that punishes you for having the audacity to want to get better after being hurt or sick.

But no the American military clearly needs some more dollars to spend as it was so underfunded.

I believe that Ireland used to be begging for us to help them during the Famine? Weren't they wanting us to take Immigrants in because they had an underfunded agriculture industry? You're forgetting that dying is apart of life, or maybe you don't have one.

[Cisairse]

I wonder how this year would be going if Trump had lost the primary.

I mean, any other Republican probably would have won '16 anyway assuming they ran a good campaign. And if you're like Marco Rubio or someone else relatively sane, you could probably have turned COVID into a serious election boost.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Imagine 76 9/11s occuring back to back.

Meanwhile the President assures everyone that we're doing great and there's no issue.

[Major-Tom]

The American military was already the most funded military on the damn planet, much more than like the next 20 nations combined, a lot of whom are American Allies.

Meanwhile people die in America due to a fucked up healthcare system that punishes you for having the audacity to want to get better after being hurt or sick.

But no the American military clearly needs some more dollars to spend as it was so underfunded.

I believe that Ireland used to be begging for us to help them during the Famine? Weren't they wanting us to take Immigrants in because they had an underfunded agriculture industry? You're forgetting that dying is apart of life, or maybe you don't have one.

Huskar, what do you think, do you have a distinct memory of being in the Irish Famine of 1845?

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... icial-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

[Cultural Posadism]

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military

So he made your infamously bloated military budget even more bloated.

You already vastly outspent all of your rivals combined under Obama, dude. All Trump accomplished by giving the military even more money was make a bunch of grifting military-industrial corporations even wealthier.

And what's worse... a lot of that money is being wasted on technology and equipment for a kind of warfare that's beyond obsolete.

[The Black Forrest]

I believe that Ireland used to be begging for us to help them during the Famine? Weren't they wanting us to take Immigrants in because they had an underfunded agriculture industry? You're forgetting that dying is apart of life, or maybe you don't have one.

Huskar, what do you think, do you have a distinct memory of being in the Irish Famine of 1845?

I did a “what the” as that was a bit of a stretch. Wait? Does trump have a time machine? Was he turning land into golf courses back then?

[The Huskar Social Union]

The American military was already the most funded military on the damn planet, much more than like the next 20 nations combined, a lot of whom are American Allies.

Meanwhile people die in America due to a fucked up healthcare system that punishes you for having the audacity to want to get better after being hurt or sick.

But no the American military clearly needs some more dollars to spend as it was so underfunded.

I believe that Ireland used to be begging for us to help them during the Famine? Weren't they wanting us to take Immigrants in because they had an underfunded agriculture industry? You're forgetting that dying is apart of life, or maybe you don't have one.

....What the fuck are you going on about?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and is just another blatantly shite deflection because you dont have an argument.

So what, Ireland asked for help because all of our food was being taken from us during a famine in the 1800s so... im not allowed to point out how daft your fucking comments are?

And yeah i do have a life, i also care about the lives of others and yeah dying is part of life. But that doesnt change the fact that many of the 200k americans that have died wouldnt have died if trump wasnt so incompetent and fucked everything up.

But hey you got some new money to waste on your fancy magic plane programs that ammounted to fuck all so who cares about all those people that died due to a failing healthcare system and corrupt government.

[San Lumen]

He's strengthened our military

So he made your infamously bloated military budget even more bloated.

You already vastly outspent all of your rivals combined under Obama, dude. All Trump accomplished by giving the military even more money was make a bunch of grifting military-industrial corporations even wealthier.

And what's worse... a lot of that money is being wasted on technology and equipment for a kind of warfare that's beyond obsolete.

I agree we spend ridiculous amounts of money on ships and planes we dont need.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I believe that Ireland used to be begging for us to help them during the Famine? Weren't they wanting us to take Immigrants in because they had an underfunded agriculture industry? You're forgetting that dying is apart of life, or maybe you don't have one.

Huskar, what do you think, do you have a distinct memory of being in the Irish Famine of 1845?

Oh i dont know now Major Tom its been a long time ill have to think about it for a few minutes to see if anything comes back to me.

[Valrifell]

Huskar, what do you think, do you have a distinct memory of being in the Irish Famine of 1845?

I did a “what the” as that was a bit of a stretch. Wait? Does trump have a time machine? Was he turning land into golf courses back then?

Donald Trump was one of the people removing the Irish from their land, all to build golf courses.

[Autumn Wind]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

Yeah, the sequestration imposed by the Republicans sucked. I wonder why they did it? Something, something the national debt something something. I wonder what happened to that issue.

[Valrifell]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523397-thousands-of-mail-ballots-may-be-lost-pittsburgh-area-official-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

No Lumen that's what elections are for.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

Yeah, the sequestration imposed by the Republicans sucked. I wonder why they did it? Something, something the national debt something something. I wonder what happened to that issue.

One of their own assumed office. They've done this several times now.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/523397-thousands-of-mail-ballots-may-be-lost-pittsburgh-area-official-says

Thousands of mail ballots may be lost, Pittsburgh-area official says. I wonder why they were trying to sabotage the post office? DeJoy ought to be indicted for ballot tampering.

No Lumen that's what elections are for.

What?

[Telconi]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

Over 200,000 Americans are dead, we've lost crucial allies, our regime-building abroad has only increased the likelihood of terrorism etc etc, we are not being kept safe.

I respect our troops, as I hope most do, but to say that Trump is keeping us safe shows either a deliberate malfeasance of the facts on your end or a lack of understanding of them.

I feel more vulnerable and less safe than at any point in my life.

I don't understand people feeling that military might contributes to their safety at all. The threat of foreign invasion is essentially non-existent, no matter who's in charge and how much our allies dislike them.

[Valrifell]

No Lumen that's what elections are for.

What?

This is a callback to our discussion about impeachment, where you said that agents of the federal government shouldn't be removed for gross incompetence/legal corruption because that would be undemocratic or something.

There is no crime that was committed, so we can't act *nod*

[Major-Tom]

Over 200,000 Americans are dead, we've lost crucial allies, our regime-building abroad has only increased the likelihood of terrorism etc etc, we are not being kept safe.

I respect our troops, as I hope most do, but to say that Trump is keeping us safe shows either a deliberate malfeasance of the facts on your end or a lack of understanding of them.

I feel more vulnerable and less safe than at any point in my life.

I don't understand people feeling that military might contributes to their safety at all. The threat of foreign invasion is essentially non-existent, no matter who's in charge and how much our allies dislike them.

This as well, our military escapades elsewhere only act as a detriment to our own safety, be it in the present or in our long and checkered past of trying to influence other countries with force.

[San Lumen]

What?

This is a callback to our discussion about impeachment, where you said that agents of the federal government shouldn't be removed for gross incompetence/legal corruption because that would be undemocratic or something.

There is no crime that was committed, so we can't act *nod*

In this case it seems highly likely DeJoy did commit a crime.

[Esalia]

No Lumen that's what elections are for.

What?

Someone (presumably Val, but I don't fully remember) argued that incompetent/corrupt officials should be impeached and removed for being incompetent/corrupt, which you argued against.

Here, you're saying DeJoy should be indicted (and presumably removed) on the grounds of ballot tampering (i.e being corrupt).