2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[United Hemand Insia]

You support him but you disagree with him?

Few to no politicians will hold your exact set of beliefs.

You will inevitably have to support someone you disagree with on some issue(s).

Take the current US election. I'm borderline socialist, so both Biden and Trump are to the right of me on quite a few issues, so I'd have to pick a candidate I disagree with on something.

Don't you have La Riva?

[Esalia]

200.000 people dead, millions sick, thousands of people held in concentration camps, climate change denialism, opposition to LGBT rights, opposition to real police and criminal justice reform, rampant corruption, voter suppression, the use of security forces to repress peaceful dissent, etc., etc.

People dying!!!! Must be Trump's fault. It's not like we didn't have a cure ready when we got COVID. Please show me the corruption proof. You guys always ask for it so I'll give you a taste of your own medicine. He used our security forces to make peace *cough cough Israel*.

Israel? You mean the UAE/Sudan deals? To call them "mak[ing] peace" is sort of misleading, since none of the states from what I remember are currently at war.

Plus, I'm not sure if you could call whoever/whatever negotiated those deals "security forces".

[San Lumen]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

Biden is fighting for communism? What the heck are you talking about?

[Cultural Posadism]

200.000 people dead, millions sick, thousands of people held in concentration camps, climate change denialism, opposition to LGBT rights, opposition to real police and criminal justice reform, rampant corruption, voter suppression, the use of security forces to repress peaceful dissent, etc., etc.

People dying!!!! Must be Trump's fault.

He's the president. He's the person principally responsible for handling a pandemic on a national level. And instead he wasted months downplaying it, lying, promoting fake cures and undermining every state and local effort to contain it.

It was his responsibility and he fucked it up. If the virus had any sense of justice, it would have killed him when it had the chance.

It's not like we didn't have a cure ready when we got COVID.

Neither did most of the world, and yet countries like Vietnam managed to contain it better than he did. Let that sink in, bud.

Please show me the corruption proof.

I'll be happy to do so if and when I get my PC back online.

You guys always ask for it so I'll give you a taste of your own medicine.

...that's just pathetic. You mean to tell me you only care about evidence as a gotcha?

I know conservatism and curiosity seldom go together but jesus fuck dude.

He used our security forces to make peace *cough cough Israel*.

I see you forgot the part where he sent security forces to brutalize peaceful protestors in DC so he could have his pathetic photo op in front of a church.

[The Black Forrest]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

How is getting trade marks for your daughter fighting global communism?

Ebola came from Africa. Should we invade it? The swine flu came from Spain. They weren’t properly punished. Should we attack them?

[Vassenor]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

So what has he done to fight China? Because from what I've seen, mostly he's removed US barriers to Chinese ambition.

[Cisairse]

With the return of Ohio to its rightful position as a perfect 50:50 toss-up, the only tipping-point state currently leaning Trump is — take a guess — Texas.

Meanwhile, 14 tipping-point states are leaning Biden.

A higher-than-expected youth turnout could led to Biden out-performing the polls by 2%, which would lead him to narrowly taking Texas, which as a state is already approaching turnout superseding that of 2016. Democrats tend to benefit from more turnout, so we'll see.

I don't know I feel like we may be in for a reversal of schadenfreude that we saw from 2016. But maybe I'm too karmic in my thinking.

If this happens and Biden becomes the first candidate since G. H. W. Bush to win more than 400 EC votes I can imagine two things happening

1) The GOP will allege massive vote fraud (which they'll probably do anyway)
2) The Democrats will completely flub the '24 election

[Greater Miami Shores]

200.000 people dead, millions sick, thousands of people held in concentration camps, climate change denialism, opposition to LGBT rights, opposition to real police and criminal justice reform, rampant corruption, voter suppression, the use of security forces to repress peaceful dissent, etc., etc.

People dying!!!! Must be Trump's fault. It's not like we didn't have a cure ready when we got COVID. Please show me the corruption proof. You guys always ask for it so I'll give you a taste of your own medicine. He used our security forces to make peace *cough cough Israel*.

I keep asking these 2 similar questions on the related elections thread and the virus thread, so I put them on 2 polls.
As I can do and have done in the past. I here by share these 2 regional polls results, open to all nation persons with all Persons on NS, those who care and those who don't.
The two similar Polls have different end dates.

So Far:
01 - 01 - US Republicans, we would be following the same necessary health guidelines under any US President.

04 - 01 - US other ideologies, we would be following the same necessary health guidelines under any US President.

This vote has been withdrawn due to a misunderstanding of the question, I know the nation person personally on NS and discord, we agree 99 % to 100 % on all issues.
06 - 01 - US Republicans, we would be following different necessary health guidelines than under Republican President Trump.: Deacarsia.

07 - 04 - US Democrats, we would be following different necessary health guidelines than under Republican President Trump. : Aethelia, Aleixandria, Voxija, and

08 - 01 - US Independents, we would be following different necessary health guidelines than under Republican President Trump.

09 - 01 - US other Ideologies, we would be following different necessary health guidelines than under Republican President Trump.

10 - Non Americans, Americans would be following different necessary health guidelines than under Republican President Trump.

07 official Total Votes so far.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=164937
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01 - 05 - US Republicans, the virus is responsible for the deaths of Americans and Persons all over the world, blame the virus.

02 - 01 - US Democrats, the virus is responsible for the deaths of Americans and Persons all over the world, blame the virus.

07 - 01 - US Democrats, Republican President Trump is responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis.

08 - 01 - US Independents, US Republican President Trump is responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis.

09 - 06 - UD other Ideologies, Republican President Trump is responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis.

10 - 01 - Non Americans, Republican President Trump is responsible for the deaths of Americans due to the virus crisis.

15 total votes so far.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=164908

[United Hemand Insia]

People dying!!!! Must be Trump's fault. It's not like we didn't have a cure ready when we got COVID. Please show me the corruption proof. You guys always ask for it so I'll give you a taste of your own medicine. He used our security forces to make peace *cough cough Israel*.

You didn’t listen to Woodward tapes? As someone said why in the world of fuckall would you meet with Woodward and let it be taped?

It’s Trumps fault for the death toll getting so high and continues to climb. A plan would have actually reduced it. The wartime President actually turned out to be the Vichy President.

If you mean the recent treaties. Sure. That’s cool. Now if he had done that with the major combatants? That would be amazing.

You wouldn't care if he did something good for everyone because you are blinded by your hatred. 200,000 people is obviously 200,00 people who didn't deserve to die, but it's not like we can bring them back to life. In case you forgot, Jesus hasn't lived for 2,000 years. I don't understand why you treat COVID like it's the holocaust. Oh, wait, it's because Trump is president.

[Page]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

China is not a communist country, they're state capitalists.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

The cold war is over, the "Communist Menace" doesnt fucking exist.

China is an incredibly capitalist nation. And as for fighting china, if he is fighting china, why is soo much of his merchandise made there?

[Juristonia]

If this happens and Biden becomes the first candidate since G. H. W. Bush to win more than 400 EC votes I can imagine two things happening

1) The GOP will allege massive vote fraud (which they'll probably do anyway)
2) The Democrats will completely flub the '24 election

I mean, both those things are incredibly likely.
The Dems are always very good at shooting themselves in the foot.

[The Black Forrest]

You didn’t listen to Woodward tapes? As someone said why in the world of fuckall would you meet with Woodward and let it be taped?

It’s Trumps fault for the death toll getting so high and continues to climb. A plan would have actually reduced it. The wartime President actually turned out to be the Vichy President.

If you mean the recent treaties. Sure. That’s cool. Now if he had done that with the major combatants? That would be amazing.

You wouldn't care if he did something good for everyone because you are blinded by your hatred. 200,000 people is obviously 200,00 people who didn't deserve to die, but it's not like we can bring them back to life. In case you forgot, Jesus hasn't lived for 2,000 years. I don't understand why you treat COVID like it's the holocaust. Oh, wait, it's because Trump is president.

What great thing has he done?

Trump bungled the response and continues. Wearing a mask isn’t a political statement. Social distancing isn’t a political statement. A termporary ban on mass gatherings aren’t a political statement.

[Esalia]

Few to no politicians will hold your exact set of beliefs.

You will inevitably have to support someone you disagree with on some issue(s).

Take the current US election. I'm borderline socialist, so both Biden and Trump are to the right of me on quite a few issues, so I'd have to pick a candidate I disagree with on something.

Don't you have La Riva?

I don't know who/what La Riva is, so I don't know.

Regardless, there'd probably be a position on which I disagree with them.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

If he was fighting “global communism” then he wouldn’t be withdrawing the US further into geopolitical isolation. Kinda hard to fight something when you cut and run from every international organization that could be used to fight it.

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

And Spanish flu originated from a capitalist country, your point?

[Cultural Posadism]

Also, if you disagree with him on coronavirus, which is arguably his biggest failure as a president, why the fuck are you voting for him? What could he possibly be offering you that would make up for him letting hundreds of thousands die?

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

Ah so you're a conspiracy theorist. That makes sense.

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

So you simp for him because he's fighting "global communism", but then you cite as an example a pandemic that came from a "communist" (lol) country which he failed to contain? Dude, you're kind of undermining yourself here. If Trump is the guy who can defeat "global communism", why couldn't he defeat the commie virus that came from the commie county? Why did "communist" Vietnam manage to contain the virus better than he did?

[United Hemand Insia]

You wouldn't care if he did something good for everyone because you are blinded by your hatred. 200,000 people is obviously 200,00 people who didn't deserve to die, but it's not like we can bring them back to life. In case you forgot, Jesus hasn't lived for 2,000 years. I don't understand why you treat COVID like it's the holocaust. Oh, wait, it's because Trump is president.

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

[Major-Tom]

He is fighting global communism, which would cause millions to die

Ah so you're a conspiracy theorist. That makes sense.

In fact the coronavirus came from China, a communist country

So you simp for him because he's fighting "global communism", but then you cite as an example a pandemic that came from a "communist" (lol) country which he failed to contain? Dude, you're kind of undermining yourself here. If Trump is the guy who can defeat "global communism", why couldn't he defeat the commie virus that came from the commie county? Why did "communist" Vietnam manage to contain the virus better than he did?

Why bother?

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know when you fight china soo much you make a bunch of money off of things made in china that you sell to your fans and fuck over your relations with your global allies and continue to isolate america on the world stage.

GG great victory mission accomplished im sure china is on the brink of collapse.

[San Lumen]

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

The defense budget is way overblown.

[Valrifell]

A higher-than-expected youth turnout could led to Biden out-performing the polls by 2%, which would lead him to narrowly taking Texas, which as a state is already approaching turnout superseding that of 2016. Democrats tend to benefit from more turnout, so we'll see.

I don't know I feel like we may be in for a reversal of schadenfreude that we saw from 2016. But maybe I'm too karmic in my thinking.

If this happens and Biden becomes the first candidate since G. H. W. Bush to win more than 400 EC votes I can imagine two things happening

1) The GOP will allege massive vote fraud (which they'll probably do anyway)
2) The Democrats will completely flub the '24 election

Yeah I can see that.

[United Hemand Insia]

Don't you have La Riva?

I don't know who/what La Riva is, so I don't know.

Regardless, there'd probably be a position on which I disagree with them.

They're the Socialism and Liberation party candidate this year.

[The Black Forrest]

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

It was already strong. They have more money they can use. Even the pentagon commented on that. Or...is that fake news?

[The Huskar Social Union]

What great thing has he done?

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

The American military was already the most funded military on the damn planet, much more than like the next 20 nations combined, a lot of whom are American Allies.

Meanwhile people die in America due to a fucked up healthcare system that punishes you for having the audacity to want to get better after being hurt or sick. A healthcare system that also cant fucking cope with a virus that has killed over 200k americans due to his incompetent administration and misinformation.

But no the American military clearly needs some more dollars to spend as it was so underfunded.

[United Hemand Insia]

He's strengthened our military, by why does that matter? Why d the people who serve our country to keep it safe need funding?

The defense budget is way overblown.

You're funny.