2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[San Lumen]

Nothing. He actively promotes division and even seeks to cause actual harm to democrats.

I got news for you Rojava, according to your views and those who agree with you, not to us Republican Trump supporters, based on my conversations with them.

GMS.

Its clear you live in an alternate reality. He has encouraged his supporters to vote twice, encouraged voter intimation and advocated violence against elected officials.

[San Lumen]

Obama won it in 2008.

I'm aware but that required a focused strategy and ailing economy to flip that District; Biden hasn't put much resources in the area but it's trending towards him nonetheless despite those lack of resources.

He has but resources into it. Jill Biden has campaigned there along with Harris and her husband.

[Stylan]

Nothing. He actively promotes division and even seeks to cause actual harm to democrats.

I got news for you Rojava, according to your views and those who strongly agree with you, not to us Republican Trump supporters, based on my conversations with them.

GMS.

Are you seriously gonna try and claim Trump isn't a divisive President?

[Vu Den Voc]

And what is Trump doing to promote that sort of unity?

While my answer would be nothing (at least from the top of my head), I believe we the citizens could be the unity we want in this nation. If we racism to stop it starts with us. Racism, hate, and evil may never be fully eradicated, but if we take measures against it and we avoid feeding into it, we can make the world a better place. And that's an idea that transcendences political parties.

[Andsed]

Nothing. He actively promotes division and even seeks to cause actual harm to democrats.

I got news for you Rojava, according to your views and those who strongly agree with you, not to us Republican Trump supporters, based on my conversations with them.

GMS.

Your news is people tend disagree on things? That is not news its stating the obvious.

[Talvezout]

New polling by NYT/Siena

Trump is up by 7 points in Kansas (he won Kansas by nearly 20 points in 2016), Marshall is up by 4 points (Roberts won by 10 points in 2014, and nearly 25 points in 2008)

GOP is having some major issues in Kansas right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/p ... biden.html

[Greater Miami Shores]

I got news for you Rojava, according to your views and those who strongly agree with you, not to us Republican Trump supporters, based on my conversations with them.

GMS.

Are you seriously gonna try and claim Trump isn't a divisive President?

Yes, I say it and we say it, with Pride and Honor and so do my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary once posted too me a compliment, he clearly did not mean as a compliment and I thanked him for it as a compliment. This Man Always Means What He Says, as if that is a bad thing. I thanked him for it. I used to have it on my new sig, now I don't have any room for it.
GMS.

[San Lumen]

Are you seriously gonna try and claim Trump isn't a divisive President?

Yes, I say it and we say it, with Pride and Honor and so do my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary once posted too me a compliment, he clearly did not mean as a compliment and I thanked him for it as a compliment. This Man Always Means What He Says, as if that is a bad thing. I thanked him for it. I used to have it on my new sig, now I don't have any room for it.
GMS.

You live in an alternate reality.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Are you seriously gonna try and claim Trump isn't a divisive President?

Yes, I say it and we say it, with Pride and Honor and so do my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary once posted too me a compliment, he clearly did not mean as a compliment and I thanked him for it as a compliment. This Man Always Means What He Says, as if that is a bad thing. I thanked him for it. I used to have it on my new sig, now I don't have any room for it.
GMS.

I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as the World Trade Center collapsed.

-Totally not divisive, definitely not racist Donald Trump

[Andsed]

Are you seriously gonna try and claim Trump isn't a divisive President?

Yes, I say it and we say it, with Pride and Honor and so do my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary once posted too me a compliment, he clearly did not mean as a compliment and I thanked him for it as a compliment. This Man Always Means What He Says, as if that is a bad thing. I thanked him for it. I used to have it on my new sig, now I don't have any room for it.
GMS.

Are you actually trying to claim the guy who has a 53% disapproval rating compared to 42% approval is not divisive? What?!

[Vu Den Voc]

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No, we don't.

Supporting Trump goes beyond merely disagreeing on political issues. He is a dangerous psychopath who is robbing this country blind, selling us out to Beijing and Moscow, and leaving Americans to suffer in poverty and die from COVID. If you still support him after all he's done to ruin American working-class lives and enrich himself then you are just as much to blame for his crimes as he is.

This is not about politics. It's about human lives being lost, an economy being destroyed, and our enemies growing stronger through the actions and inaction of our very president.

See the problem with this is its not about disliking the person. Its about disliking the idea. My dad is a Trump supporter for crying out loud. I have debates with him all the time. But I still love him because he means so much to me. Nazi's are still people, trump supporters are people, communist are people, terrorist are people, everybody is a person. Does not justify actions but its still vital to remember this since its so easy to forget.

[San Lumen]

New polling by NYT/Siena

Trump is up by 7 points in Kansas (he won Kansas by nearly 20 points in 2016), Marshall is up by 4 points (Roberts won by 10 points in 2014, and nearly 25 points in 2008)

GOP is having some major issues in Kansas right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/p ... biden.html

Republicans have destroyed that state. While I don't expect it to flip. its not out of realm of possibility it could be a competitive state in a cycle or two.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And what is Trump doing to promote that sort of unity?

While my answer would be nothing (at least from the top of my head), I believe we the citizens could be the unity we want in this nation. If we racism to stop it starts with us. Racism, hate, and evil may never be fully eradicated, but if we take measures against it and we avoid feeding into it, we can make the world a better place. And that's an idea that transcendences political parties.

Many of these people want to kill me, either cause of my ethnicity, my beliefs or both. How can I unify with people who want me gone?

[Talvezout]

New polling by NYT/Siena

Trump is up by 7 points in Kansas (he won Kansas by nearly 20 points in 2016), Marshall is up by 4 points (Roberts won by 10 points in 2014, and nearly 25 points in 2008)

GOP is having some major issues in Kansas right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/p ... biden.html

Republicans have destroyed that state. While I don't expect it to flip. its not out of realm of possibility it could be a competitive state in a cycle or two.

It's seriously crazy how bad Brownback was for Kansas.

Thanks to Brownback and Kobach (among many other things, however), Kansas is turning blue pretty fast

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No, we don't.

Supporting Trump goes beyond merely disagreeing on political issues. He is a dangerous psychopath who is robbing this country blind, selling us out to Beijing and Moscow, and leaving Americans to suffer in poverty and die from COVID. If you still support him after all he's done to ruin American working-class lives and enrich himself then you are just as much to blame for his crimes as he is.

This is not about politics. It's about human lives being lost, an economy being destroyed, and our enemies growing stronger through the actions and inaction of our very president.

See the problem with this is its not about disliking the person. Its about disliking the idea. My dad is a Trump supporter for crying out loud. I have debates with him all the time. But I still love him because he means so much to me. Nazi's are still people, trump supporters are people, communist are people, terrorist are people, everybody is a person. Does not justify actions but its still vital to remember this since its so easy to forget.

Best I can have with trumpsters is bitter peace. I wouldn't go out of my way to fuck with them but there would be no friendship

[Greater Miami Shores]

Yes, I say it and we say it, with Pride and Honor and so do my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary once posted too me a compliment, he clearly did not mean as a compliment and I thanked him for it as a compliment. This Man Always Means What He Says, as if that is a bad thing. I thanked him for it. I used to have it on my new sig, now I don't have any room for it.
GMS.

You live in an alternate reality.

No I don't live in an alternate reality, decided by you and those who strongly agree with you. As I said, according to me and my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too, and we are not lying.

I Rest MY Case, We Rest Our Case, for now anyway.

Thank you for your post and comments. I here by drop this with you.

GMS.

[No State Here]

And what is Trump doing to promote that sort of unity?

Not much

[Zurkerx]

The Biden Team is Preparing for a Potentially Bumpy Transition. The administration has been cooperative so far, but President Trump has given mixed messages on whether he would commit to a smooth transfer of power if he loses. Luckily, this WSJ Article I can see in full:

WASHINGTON—Senior advisers to Joe Biden are preparing for the possibility that the Trump administration will throw up roadblocks to Mr. Biden’s transition to the presidency if he wins the election, according to people familiar with the internal discussions.

Mr. Biden’s transition team, a low-profile group of policy experts tasked with making sure the former vice president is ready to take office, has crafted alternative plans if President Trump—who has given mixed messages on whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power—refuses to comply with requirements that a president-elect’s team be allowed into federal agencies ahead of Inauguration Day. The team is also planning for a scenario in which the Trump administration declines to share resources or provide briefings seen as crucial for a smooth transition of power, the people said.

So far, these worst-case scenarios haven’t come to pass, people close to the Biden campaign and transition said, adding that the former vice president has received classified briefings and lower-level Trump administration officials have been professional in initial interactions with the team.

“Transition officials have been planning for various scenarios. So far, the pre-election process has run smoothly,” said a person familiar with Mr. Biden’s transition planning.

Asked for comment, a White House official said, “We’re following all statutory requirements.”

Mr. Trump has said he wants a peaceful transfer of power if he loses, but has equivocated about whether he will commit to one. “We’re going to have to see what happens,” he said last month. At an NBC News town hall last week, Mr. Trump said he would accept a peaceful transition, “but I want it to be an honest election.” He has repeatedly suggested that the election results can’t be trusted.

“A lot of corrupt stuff going on,” Mr. Trump said about the voting process during a Michigan rally this week. Mr. Trump has said several times that an increase in mail-in balloting would lead to widespread fraud. Researchers have found instances of absentee-voter fraud, but studies show it isn’t widespread and election officials say they employ safeguards against it.

Under federal law, a president-elect’s transition team is granted broad access to the federal government in the roughly 2½ months until a new president takes over. Career officials at federal agencies work with the transition teams to get them up to speed on policy issues and ensure they are ready to begin governing on Day One. A person familiar with the matter said Biden transition officials have discussed legal options if the Trump administration doesn’t meet its obligations.

Uncertainty about the election results could complicate a transition. Mr. Biden’s transition team has discussed scenarios in which the results are unknown for weeks, a person familiar with the discussions said. “I think [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump said in September.

There is precedent for a messy transition where the results aren’t known right away. George W. Bush wasn’t declared the president-elect in 2000 until Dec. 12, after the Supreme Court suspended the count of disputed ballots in Florida.

Still, he made good use of the time leading up to the results becoming official, said Martha Kumar, a scholar who specializes in presidential transitions. While the rest of the public waited for election results, Mr. Bush holed up at his ranch in Texas and planned out his team and what issues he would work on. Once he was declared the winner, his transition team moved quickly to make up for lost time. He had a cabinet in place before he took office and policy initiatives ready for the early days of his presidency.

Messrs. Biden and Trump both have assembled transition teams that have been working quietly for months on what happens after the race is called.

In Mr. Biden’s case, the transition team is preparing to fill out an entire administration and turn his campaign promises into policy. Biden transition officials have said the coronavirus pandemic has factored into much of the planning, as it is likely to still be occurring if he takes office in January.

Meanwhile Mr. Trump’s team has a smaller task of fleshing out a second-term agenda because much of the administration structure would remain in place. White House officials have said their team is focused on how to move the president’s agenda through Congress and is preparing for all options on the makeup of the House and Senate.

Chris Lu, the executive director of the Obama-Biden transition in 2008, said it is smart to plan for all scenarios—even far-fetched ones. Still, his team was always confident the Bush administration would cooperate since then-President Bush made clear early on he wanted a seamless transition regardless of who won.

Mr. Lu said the Bush administration was quick to formalize Mr. Obama’s win and set in motion the transition. The same night Mr. Obama was declared the winner, Mr. Lu said, then-General Services Administration Acting Administrator James Williams called Mr. Lu to talk through next steps, but an exhausted Mr. Lu had fallen asleep on the couch after the results were announced.

Within hours of the race being called, Mr. Williams signed a GSA letter certifying Mr. Obama as the president-elect and notified Mr. Obama’s team, Mr. Lu said. “We are committed to providing you with superior workplaces, quality acquisition services, expert business solutions and responsible asset management,” the letter said.

The Obama-Bush transition is seen as a model for changing power during a crisis. At the end of November 2008, Bush administration officials held a meeting in Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s office with members of Mr. Obama’s incoming financial team to talk about the financial crisis in the auto industry.

No coordinated policy came from that meeting, “but at least the incoming and outgoing officials set a precedent of meeting together to tackle important issues,” Ms. Kumar wrote in “Before the Oath,” her book about the 2008 transition.

Ms. Kumar said the Obama-Bush transition’s success came in part because it took place at the end of eight years under Mr. Bush.

“It’s a lot easier to have a smooth transition when you know you’re going to transition out of office, as do the people who are working for you. When it’s after a failed re-election bid that’s another matter,” she said.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You live in an alternate reality.

No I don't live in an alternate reality, decided by you and those who strongly agree with you. As I said, according to me and my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too, and we are not lying.

I Rest MY Case, We Rest Our Case, for now anyway.

Thank you for your post and comments. I here by drop this with you.

GMS.

Over 60% of your fellow trumpsters support increased surveillance on mosques and 50% of them think black people are inferior to whites. They're divisive as hell just like the president.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The Biden Team is Preparing for a Potentially Bumpy Transition. The administration has been cooperative so far, but President Trump has given mixed messages on whether he would commit to a smooth transfer of power if he loses. Luckily, this WSJ Article I can see in full:

WASHINGTON—Senior advisers to Joe Biden are preparing for the possibility that the Trump administration will throw up roadblocks to Mr. Biden’s transition to the presidency if he wins the election, according to people familiar with the internal discussions.

Mr. Biden’s transition team, a low-profile group of policy experts tasked with making sure the former vice president is ready to take office, has crafted alternative plans if President Trump—who has given mixed messages on whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power—refuses to comply with requirements that a president-elect’s team be allowed into federal agencies ahead of Inauguration Day. The team is also planning for a scenario in which the Trump administration declines to share resources or provide briefings seen as crucial for a smooth transition of power, the people said.

So far, these worst-case scenarios haven’t come to pass, people close to the Biden campaign and transition said, adding that the former vice president has received classified briefings and lower-level Trump administration officials have been professional in initial interactions with the team.

“Transition officials have been planning for various scenarios. So far, the pre-election process has run smoothly,” said a person familiar with Mr. Biden’s transition planning.

Asked for comment, a White House official said, “We’re following all statutory requirements.”

Mr. Trump has said he wants a peaceful transfer of power if he loses, but has equivocated about whether he will commit to one. “We’re going to have to see what happens,” he said last month. At an NBC News town hall last week, Mr. Trump said he would accept a peaceful transition, “but I want it to be an honest election.” He has repeatedly suggested that the election results can’t be trusted.

“A lot of corrupt stuff going on,” Mr. Trump said about the voting process during a Michigan rally this week. Mr. Trump has said several times that an increase in mail-in balloting would lead to widespread fraud. Researchers have found instances of absentee-voter fraud, but studies show it isn’t widespread and election officials say they employ safeguards against it.

Under federal law, a president-elect’s transition team is granted broad access to the federal government in the roughly 2½ months until a new president takes over. Career officials at federal agencies work with the transition teams to get them up to speed on policy issues and ensure they are ready to begin governing on Day One. A person familiar with the matter said Biden transition officials have discussed legal options if the Trump administration doesn’t meet its obligations.

Uncertainty about the election results could complicate a transition. Mr. Biden’s transition team has discussed scenarios in which the results are unknown for weeks, a person familiar with the discussions said. “I think [the election] will end up in the Supreme Court,” Mr. Trump said in September.

There is precedent for a messy transition where the results aren’t known right away. George W. Bush wasn’t declared the president-elect in 2000 until Dec. 12, after the Supreme Court suspended the count of disputed ballots in Florida.

Still, he made good use of the time leading up to the results becoming official, said Martha Kumar, a scholar who specializes in presidential transitions. While the rest of the public waited for election results, Mr. Bush holed up at his ranch in Texas and planned out his team and what issues he would work on. Once he was declared the winner, his transition team moved quickly to make up for lost time. He had a cabinet in place before he took office and policy initiatives ready for the early days of his presidency.

Messrs. Biden and Trump both have assembled transition teams that have been working quietly for months on what happens after the race is called.

In Mr. Biden’s case, the transition team is preparing to fill out an entire administration and turn his campaign promises into policy. Biden transition officials have said the coronavirus pandemic has factored into much of the planning, as it is likely to still be occurring if he takes office in January.

Meanwhile Mr. Trump’s team has a smaller task of fleshing out a second-term agenda because much of the administration structure would remain in place. White House officials have said their team is focused on how to move the president’s agenda through Congress and is preparing for all options on the makeup of the House and Senate.

Chris Lu, the executive director of the Obama-Biden transition in 2008, said it is smart to plan for all scenarios—even far-fetched ones. Still, his team was always confident the Bush administration would cooperate since then-President Bush made clear early on he wanted a seamless transition regardless of who won.

Mr. Lu said the Bush administration was quick to formalize Mr. Obama’s win and set in motion the transition. The same night Mr. Obama was declared the winner, Mr. Lu said, then-General Services Administration Acting Administrator James Williams called Mr. Lu to talk through next steps, but an exhausted Mr. Lu had fallen asleep on the couch after the results were announced.

Within hours of the race being called, Mr. Williams signed a GSA letter certifying Mr. Obama as the president-elect and notified Mr. Obama’s team, Mr. Lu said. “We are committed to providing you with superior workplaces, quality acquisition services, expert business solutions and responsible asset management,” the letter said.

The Obama-Bush transition is seen as a model for changing power during a crisis. At the end of November 2008, Bush administration officials held a meeting in Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s office with members of Mr. Obama’s incoming financial team to talk about the financial crisis in the auto industry.

No coordinated policy came from that meeting, “but at least the incoming and outgoing officials set a precedent of meeting together to tackle important issues,” Ms. Kumar wrote in “Before the Oath,” her book about the 2008 transition.

Ms. Kumar said the Obama-Bush transition’s success came in part because it took place at the end of eight years under Mr. Bush.

“It’s a lot easier to have a smooth transition when you know you’re going to transition out of office, as do the people who are working for you. When it’s after a failed re-election bid that’s another matter,” she said.

Give it time. See if Trump doesn't fire said officials and replace them with yes men who will help him resist the election results.

[No State Here]

No I don't live in an alternate reality, decided by you and those who strongly agree with you. As I said, according to me and my fellow Republican Trump supporters I have talked too, and we are not lying.

I Rest MY Case, We Rest Our Case, for now anyway.

Thank you for your post and comments. I here by drop this with you.

GMS.

Over 60% of your fellow trumpsters support increased surveillance on mosques and 50% of them think black people are inferior to whites. They're divisive as hell just like the president.

I’d need a source for the second stat

[Vu Den Voc]

While my answer would be nothing (at least from the top of my head), I believe we the citizens could be the unity we want in this nation. If we racism to stop it starts with us. Racism, hate, and evil may never be fully eradicated, but if we take measures against it and we avoid feeding into it, we can make the world a better place. And that's an idea that transcendences political parties.

Many of these people want to kill me, either cause of my ethnicity, my beliefs or both. How can I unify with people who want me gone?

Well the answer to that is do like Martin Luther King jr, stay resilient and peaceful. If you fight back you make yourself look just as bad (maybe even worse) as your rivals. I'm not saying it will be easy, but trust me its worth it. MLK jr was able to accomplish so much because he still loved these people. These people tried to bomb and kill MLK!! But he stayed peaceful. I suggest you should as well.

[Greater Miami Shores]

See the problem with this is its not about disliking the person. Its about disliking the idea. My dad is a Trump supporter for crying out loud. I have debates with him all the time. But I still love him because he means so much to me. Nazi's are still people, trump supporters are people, communist are people, terrorist are people, everybody is a person. Does not justify actions but its still vital to remember this since its so easy to forget.

Best I can have with trumpsters is bitter peace. I wouldn't go out of my way to fuck with them but there would be no friendship

I can be friends with you Rojava, Kannap, Therm, S L, Nobel Hobos 2, Vice President Geneviev, Devonta, Shrilland, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, The Black Forrest, all the ones who have put me on ignore, and all of you on NS, have a few beers on me with food, this is the way I am, despite our Politics on Trump and the Republicans. I would cost me $ a lot of money $ lol, at least at the same time, lol again, but I can do so.

GMS.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Over 60% of your fellow trumpsters support increased surveillance on mosques and 50% of them think black people are inferior to whites. They're divisive as hell just like the president.

I’d need a source for the second stat

Surveys showed that significant proportions of Trump supporters hold negative views of immigrants, Muslims, and African-Americans. The Pew Research Center found that 69 percent of Trump supporters viewed immigrants as a burden, rather than a benefit, to the US, and 64 percent believed that American Muslims should be subject to greater scrutiny solely on the basis of their religion. Reuters found that Trump supporters were more than twice as likely as Clinton supporters to view Islam negatively. Trump supporters were also more likely than supporters of other candidates to hold negative views of African-Americans. Reuters reported that 40–50 percent of Trump supporters viewed African-Americans as being more "lazy", "rude", "violent", or "criminal" than whites, compared to 25–30 percent for Clinton supporters; while 32 percent of Trump supporters believed that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites, compared to 22 percent of Clinton supporters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... l_campaign

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-the-u-s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZV20C

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN0ZE2SW

Gee, I wonder why most black people get so hostile when they see someone in a MAGA hat

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Many of these people want to kill me, either cause of my ethnicity, my beliefs or both. How can I unify with people who want me gone?

Well the answer to that is do like Martin Luther King jr, stay resilient and peaceful. If you fight back you make yourself look just as bad (maybe even worse) as your rivals. I'm not saying it will be easy, but trust me its worth it. MLK jr was able to accomplish so much because he still loved these people. These people tried to bomb and kill MLK!! But he stayed peaceful. I suggest you should as well.

Don't fight back? If my choice is "die" or "live," im choosing the latter. I'm not an aggressor, but like 90% of human beings ill fight for my life if I have to. I believe in not starting fights, but I believe that once someone physically aggresses against you, you should show no mercy. Trump's worst fans need to back off.