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Who Do You Support in the 2020 General Election?

Donald Trump (R)
147
29%
Joe Biden (D)
276
54%
Howie Hawkins (G)
59
12%
Jo Jorgensen (L)
27
5%
 
Total votes : 509

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:58 pm

Andsed wrote:
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What IG do you frequent? Aside from a few pics, I haven’t seen any of that on my feed. :?

I would guess because it likely not happening because most of these ¨liberals wanting everything handed to them¨ is likely just people asking to not have to bankrupt themselves to afford healthcare or spend decades paying back student loans.


I’ve seen it happening in certain sections of FB, which I avoid because it’s like cancer. But IG? Not really. Of course, he clarified that it was apparently people he still followed from uni or something. Eh.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:58 pm

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Cordel One wrote:Oh jesus christ, the broken record leaps again.

This is the part where I say once again that Racism doesn't stop being racist because everyone else is also racist, owning (and raping) slaves is still a disgusting thing to do.

and yet again you show your complete and utter ignorance of history.


feel free to try and excuse their racism however you want, doesn't change the fact that they were racist. Also isn't a good look for you.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Oh jesus christ, the broken record leaps again.

This is the part where I say once again that Racism doesn't stop being racist because everyone else is also racist, owning (and raping) slaves is still a disgusting thing to do.

and yet again you show your complete and utter ignorance of history.


What was that again about "democrats are against racism"? You seem to be trying to excuse racial oppression right now.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:00 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Andsed wrote:I would guess because it likely not happening because most of these ¨liberals wanting everything handed to them¨ is likely just people asking to not have to bankrupt themselves to afford healthcare or spend decades paying back student loans.


I’ve seen it happening in certain sections of FB, which I avoid because it’s like cancer. But IG? Not really. Of course, he clarified that it was apparently people he still followed from uni or something. Eh.

I am still feeling skeptical on just what he means by ¨wanting everything handed to them.¨ Its possible it actually is entitled people, but with all the very basic requests I have seen dismissed as ¨entitlement¨ I feel skeptical.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Andsed wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I’ve seen it happening in certain sections of FB, which I avoid because it’s like cancer. But IG? Not really. Of course, he clarified that it was apparently people he still followed from uni or something. Eh.

I am still feeling skeptical on just what he means by ¨wanting everything handed to them.¨ Its possible it actually is entitled people, but with all the very basic requests I have seen dismissed as ¨entitlement¨ I feel skeptical.


Hey, I get it. It’s actually a good thing to be skeptical. It’s the times.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Andsed wrote:I would guess because it likely not happening because most of these ¨liberals wanting everything handed to them¨ is likely just people asking to not have to bankrupt themselves to afford healthcare or spend decades paying back student loans.


I’ve seen it happening in certain sections of FB, which I avoid because it’s like cancer. But IG? Not really. Of course, he clarified that it was apparently people he still followed from uni or something. Eh.

Eh, it's pretty common among younger people.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:07 pm

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Wow, even with Trump's support in Israel?


Many American Jews are Pro-Israel without being Pro-Israeli government, there is a distinction there that many often forget.

The Problem is, President Trump's Pro Israel Policies they oppose are Pro Israel and the Jewish People. Republican President Trump is the strongest Pro Israel and the Jewish People American President ever, US American Jews should support him, he should be able to flip at least New Jersey Republican Red.

President Trump has Jewish grandkids in his family.

I rest my case.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I’ve seen it happening in certain sections of FB, which I avoid because it’s like cancer. But IG? Not really. Of course, he clarified that it was apparently people he still followed from uni or something. Eh.

Eh, it's pretty common among younger people.


Must be that. I use IG for following art accounts and close friends.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:11 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Many American Jews are Pro-Israel without being Pro-Israeli government, there is a distinction there that many often forget.

The Problem is, President Trump's Pro Israel Policies they oppose are Pro Israel and the Jewish People. President Trump is the strongest Pro Israel and the Jewish People American President ever, US American Jews should support him, he should be able to flip at least New Jersey Republican Red.

President Trump has Jewish grandkids in his family.

I rest my case.

GMS.


Pro Israel eh? You mean that country that has a thing for tearing houses down and brutalizing Palestinian civilians? The one whose lobby has a stranglehold on our politics?

I think it's honorable of Jewish Americans to stand against injustice despite it being committed by "the only Jewish country on earth." It means they won't trade their humanity for nationalism.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:12 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:Eh, it's pretty common among younger people.


Must be that. I use IG for following art accounts and close friends.

Ah, that'd do it.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:12 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Many American Jews are Pro-Israel without being Pro-Israeli government, there is a distinction there that many often forget.

The Problem is, President Trump's Pro Israel Policies they oppose are Pro Israel and the Jewish People. President Trump is the strongest Pro Israel and the Jewish People American President ever, US American Jews should support him, he should be able to flip at least New Jersey Republican Red.

President Trump has Jewish grandkids in his family.

I rest my case.

GMS.


In my experience speaking to my Jewish friends, they believe there's a difference between supporting Jewish culture and the faith as opposed to supporting a genocidal, corrupt government.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Must be that. I use IG for following art accounts and close friends.

Ah, that'd do it.


Yep. I see enough political clusterfuck on FB. Not really up to having it on IG. And I don’t use Twitter.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:16 pm

If they do shove Berret through, is it possible for Trump to lose but then have the Senate and the Supreme court give him the electors claiming that Americans don't know what's good for them and would there be anything that could be done to stop them?

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ah, that'd do it.


Yep. I see enough political clusterfuck on FB. Not really up to having it on IG. And I don’t use Twitter.

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Tokora wrote:If they do shove Berret through, is it possible for Trump to lose but then have the Senate and the Supreme court give him the electors claiming that Americans don't know what's good for them and would there be anything that could be done to stop them?

Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yep. I see enough political clusterfuck on FB. Not really up to having it on IG. And I don’t use Twitter.

lita

Tokora wrote:If they do shove Berret through, is it possible for Trump to lose but then have the Senate and the Supreme court give him the electors claiming that Americans don't know what's good for them and would there be anything that could be done to stop them?

Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.

I wouldn't put it past them to try.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yep. I see enough political clusterfuck on FB. Not really up to having it on IG. And I don’t use Twitter.

lita

Tokora wrote:If they do shove Berret through, is it possible for Trump to lose but then have the Senate and the Supreme court give him the electors claiming that Americans don't know what's good for them and would there be anything that could be done to stop them?

Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.


¿Qué?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:20 pm

Tokora wrote:
Kowani wrote:lita


Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.

I wouldn't put it past them to try.


This is Trumpmerica in 2020. The rules have broken down and now it's pure chaos.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:21 pm

Tokora wrote:
Kowani wrote:lita


Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.

I wouldn't put it past them to try.

No, they physically cannot. They have about as much authority over the electors as the Queen of England.

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Kowani wrote:lita


Neither the Senate nor SCOTUS can tell the electors how to vote.


¿Qué?

From lista, dropping the "s".


Also: Major Win for Democrats, SCOTUS retains lower court decision extending the Pennsylvania mail-in registration deadline.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:22 pm

So are we trying to excuse Trump invoking the antisemitic myth of dual loyalty when he started that spiel about Jewish Americans who didn't vote for him somehow being disloyal to Israel again?

Or the whole thing where he proclaimed himself the new King of Israel?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:22 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... -elections

The last Republican to win the Jewish vote was Warren G. Harding in 1920. He got 43 percent and 38 percent went to the Socialist candidate Eugene Debs. James Cox the Democratic nominee only got 19.

Huh. Seems odd that Jews swung so hard towards conservative Democrat Davis in 1924. Backlash to the corruption in Harding's administration maybe?


Possible but unlikely given the major details of the the Teapot Scandal don't come to light until shortly after Coolidge gets elected.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tokora wrote:I wouldn't put it past them to try.

No, they physically cannot. They have about as much authority over the electors as the Queen of England.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
¿Qué?

From lista, dropping the "s".


Also: Major Win for Democrats, SCOTUS retains lower court decision extending the Pennsylvania mail-in registration deadline.


Ah, ok.

Good for Pennsylvania. They’ve been having huge issues with the mail in ballots.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Tokora wrote:If they do shove Berret through, is it possible for Trump to lose but then have the Senate and the Supreme court give him the electors claiming that Americans don't know what's good for them and would there be anything that could be done to stop them?


No. The courts cannot tell electors how to vote. They have no role whatsoever to play in the process.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:So are we trying to excuse Trump invoking the antisemitic myth of dual loyalty when he started that spiel about Jewish Americans who didn't vote for him somehow being disloyal to Israel again?

Or the whole thing where he proclaimed himself the new King of Israel?


Trump is really delusional for saying that
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:24 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:No, they physically cannot. They have about as much authority over the electors as the Queen of England.


From lista, dropping the "s".


Also: Major Win for Democrats, SCOTUS retains lower court decision extending the Pennsylvania mail-in registration deadline.


Ah, ok.

Good for Pennsylvania. They’ve been having huge issues with the mail in ballots.


Good for Pennsylvania, good for Democracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:25 pm

Cordel One wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and yet again you show your complete and utter ignorance of history.

And once again you call me ignorant for not accepting your revisionist attempt to justify slaveowning.

I suggest you learn history. Its real easy to say why didnt they ban slavery in the constitution or allow women to vote and that makes them racist or sexist. It simply wasn't possible to do it at the time and the second was not a popularly held belief.
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