2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Christchurch wasn't Christian terror. It was white supremacist terror. That guy would be the type to align with Germanic Neo Pagans against Maronite Christians cause "We gotta stop the brown people." Tarrant was not motivated by the bible.

I mean... he kinda was? Not nearly as much as he was by racism, though.

Tarrant's belief in survival of the fittest proves he wasn't a Christian fundamentalist. He took inspiration from the crusaders and Serbian militias but that was more "Europeans fending off Islamic occupiers" than "Jesus told me to do it."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The views Tarrant had of Bosnian and Albanian people as Turkish occupiers have existed for quite some time and are more widespread in the west than many would be comfortable with, but Tarrant was like the first guy to go on a killing spree for said belief.

All because of a war in the Balkans.

[Kungsu]

The views Tarrant had of Bosnian and Albanian people as Turkish occupiers have existed for quite some time and are more widespread in the west than many would be comfortable with, but Tarrant was like the first guy to go on a killing spree for said belief.

All because of a war in the Balkans.

Fair enough, I'll mark Christchurch down as questionable and strike it from the list.

[Purpelia]

Not quite. Islam does indeed produce a disproportionately high number of religious offenses. Especially over here in Europe where Christian terrorism is nigh unheard off because in most of the countries here radical Christianity burned it self out by the time america was colonized, and what didn't fled to america to continue there.

You do not consider the IRA to be christian ?

I used the worlds "quite", "nigh" and "most" for a reason. It wasn't an absolute statement. Europe is a continent and not a village after all. But as a whole the statistically average European has nothing to fear from most forms of terrorism or even extremist politics in general excluding islamists and the ocasional neo-nazi ever since communists went out of fashion in the early 90's. Extremes do of course exist (See the IRA or ukraine) but again, we are talking average here. And in particular, radical fanatical Christianity the sort of which you have in the states where it literally is a giant voting block both sides have to dance around in pretty much only exists in Ireland and a couple other nations. Most of the rest of Europe are meh-religious.

The views Tarrant had of Bosnian and Albanian people as Turkish occupiers have existed for quite some time and are more widespread in the west than many would be comfortable with, but Tarrant was like the first guy to go on a killing spree for said belief.

All because of a war in the Balkans.

Yea, but like it's Europe. Starting fights because of a war in the Balkans is a more or less our thing. In between the regular spats between France and Germany and West vs Russia. Stops things getting boring.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You do not consider the IRA to be christian ?

I used the worlds "quite", "nigh" and "most" for a reason. It wasn't an absolute statement. Europe is a continent and not a village after all. But as a whole the statistically average European has nothing to fear from most forms of terrorism or even extremist politics in general excluding islamists and the ocasional neo-nazi ever since communists went out of fashion in the early 90's. Extremes do of course exist (See the IRA or ukraine) but again, we are talking average here. And in particular, radical fanatical Christianity the sort of which you have in the states where it literally is a giant voting block both sides have to dance around in pretty much only exists in Ireland and a couple other nations. Most of the rest of Europe are meh-religious.

The views Tarrant had of Bosnian and Albanian people as Turkish occupiers have existed for quite some time and are more widespread in the west than many would be comfortable with, but Tarrant was like the first guy to go on a killing spree for said belief.

All because of a war in the Balkans.

Yea, but like it's Europe. Starting fights because of a war in the Balkans is a more or less our thing. In between the regular spats between France and Germany and West vs Russia. Stops things getting boring.

For reference: https://youtu.be/1DhW67K95ss

[The Alma Mater]

You do not consider the IRA to be christian ?

I used the worlds "quite", "nigh" and "most" for a reason. It wasn't an absolute statement. Europe is a continent and not a village after all. But as a whole the statistically average European has nothing to fear from most forms of terrorism or even extremist politics in general excluding islamists and the ocasional neo-nazi ever since communists went out of fashion in the early 90's. Extremes do of course exist (See the IRA or ukraine) but again, we are talking average here. And in particular, radical fanatical Christianity the sort of which you have in the states where it literally is a giant voting block both sides have to dance around in pretty much only exists in Ireland and a couple other nations. Most of the rest of Europe are meh-religious.

Over here in the Netherlands we have had several christian attacks in the past few decades. Admittedly by individuals who claimed to "have heard God command them to do it" - but still. They self identified as christians, not muslims.

ofc, we indeed have had MORE terrorist attacks by muslims, despite having vastly less muslims around.
Then again, the Dutch government really dislikes to call muslims who kill out of political motives to cause terror "terrorists". They prefer the term "confused".

[Ors Might]

I used the worlds "quite", "nigh" and "most" for a reason. It wasn't an absolute statement. Europe is a continent and not a village after all. But as a whole the statistically average European has nothing to fear from most forms of terrorism or even extremist politics in general excluding islamists and the ocasional neo-nazi ever since communists went out of fashion in the early 90's. Extremes do of course exist (See the IRA or ukraine) but again, we are talking average here. And in particular, radical fanatical Christianity the sort of which you have in the states where it literally is a giant voting block both sides have to dance around in pretty much only exists in Ireland and a couple other nations. Most of the rest of Europe are meh-religious.

Over here in the Netherlands we have had several christian attacks in the past few decades. Admittedly by individuals who claimed to "have heard God command them to do it" - but still. They self identified as christians, not muslims.

ofc, we indeed have had MORE terrorist attacks by muslims, despite having vastly less muslims around.
Then again, the Dutch government really dislikes to call muslims who kill out of political motives to cause terror "terrorists". They prefer the term "confused".

..What, are they saying that the lads didn’t mean to run over a couple folk or didn’t realize that picking up a knife and spinning like a beyblade around someone’s neck was a bad idea?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Over here in the Netherlands we have had several christian attacks in the past few decades. Admittedly by individuals who claimed to "have heard God command them to do it" - but still. They self identified as christians, not muslims.

ofc, we indeed have had MORE terrorist attacks by muslims, despite having vastly less muslims around.
Then again, the Dutch government really dislikes to call muslims who kill out of political motives to cause terror "terrorists". They prefer the term "confused".

..What, are they saying that the lads didn’t mean to run over a couple folk or didn’t realize that picking up a knife and spinning like a beyblade around someone’s neck was a bad idea?

"I didn't mean to shoot that guy. I thought he was a threat."

-That muslim guy who just killed someone in Amsterdam

[Insaanistan]

..What, are they saying that the lads didn’t mean to run over a couple folk or didn’t realize that picking up a knife and spinning like a beyblade around someone’s neck was a bad idea?

"I didn't mean to shoot that guy. I thought he was a threat."

-That muslim guy who just killed someone in Amsterdam

Nobody:
American cops when a black man breathes near them:

[Washington Resistance Army]

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, the 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting, the 2011 Norway Attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch mosque shootings, among others.

There are plenty of examples, most of them just don't get the same media coverage as Islamic terrorism (bar Christchurch, that was big for a while).

Large disagree on Breivik and Tarrant from me. Both were motivated by ethnonationalist politics, not religion.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

"I didn't mean to shoot that guy. I thought he was a threat."

-That muslim guy who just killed someone in Amsterdam

Nobody:
American cops when a black man breathes near them:

True actually

[West Leas Oros 2]

"I didn't mean to shoot that guy. I thought he was a threat."

-That muslim guy who just killed someone in Amsterdam

Nobody:
American cops when a black man breathes near them:

BOOM

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, the 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting, the 2011 Norway Attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch mosque shootings, among others.

There are plenty of examples, most of them just don't get the same media coverage as Islamic terrorism (bar Christchurch, that was big for a while).

Large disagree on Breivik and Tarrant from me. Both were motivated by ethnonationalist politics, not religion.

Brevik was a little more religion oriented. He wasn't a religious guy but thought of the conflict as being between the Judeo-Christian west and Islam. Tarrant was a biological racist though. For him it was all the common traits of a white supremacist. He viewed the existence of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo as bad enough and didn't want "more of Europe to be taken over by Islamic occupiers." It's ironic because Bosnians and Albanians are native Europeans but some white supremacists don't think "whites" would ever convert en masse to Islam.

[Warronia]

I heard about that teacher's murder recently. Really sad

[Washington Resistance Army]

Large disagree on Breivik and Tarrant from me. Both were motivated by ethnonationalist politics, not religion.

Brevik was a little more religion oriented. He wasn't a religious guy but thought of the conflict as being between the Judeo-Christian west and Islam. Tarrant was a biological racist though. For him it was all the common traits of a white supremacist. He viewed the existence of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo as bad enough and didn't want "more of Europe to be taken over by Islamic occupiers." It's ironic because Bosnians and Albanians are native Europeans but some white supremacists don't think "whites" would ever convert en masse to Islam.

The claims of Breivik being motivated by Christian fundamentalism don't really hold much water imo, and never really did. Since his imprisonment he's consistently denied being a Christian at all and to this day calls it a pathetic religion afaik.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Brevik was a little more religion oriented. He wasn't a religious guy but thought of the conflict as being between the Judeo-Christian west and Islam. Tarrant was a biological racist though. For him it was all the common traits of a white supremacist. He viewed the existence of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo as bad enough and didn't want "more of Europe to be taken over by Islamic occupiers." It's ironic because Bosnians and Albanians are native Europeans but some white supremacists don't think "whites" would ever convert en masse to Islam.

The claims of Breivik being motivated by Christian fundamentalism don't really hold much water imo, and never really did. Since his imprisonment he's consistently denied being a Christian at all and to this day calls it a pathetic religion afaik.

I remember Brevik as having seen the Judeo-Christian traditions of Europe under threat. I never said he was a religious man or thought an actual God existed.

Never mind, my memory was incorrect and Brevik is in fact an Odinist and a Neo-Nazi. He was as racist as Tarrant.

[Insaanistan]

Someone added the stabbing of the two Muslim women to Wikipedia already:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... eu2FLld0zY

[Kungsu]

Brevik was a little more religion oriented. He wasn't a religious guy but thought of the conflict as being between the Judeo-Christian west and Islam. Tarrant was a biological racist though. For him it was all the common traits of a white supremacist. He viewed the existence of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo as bad enough and didn't want "more of Europe to be taken over by Islamic occupiers." It's ironic because Bosnians and Albanians are native Europeans but some white supremacists don't think "whites" would ever convert en masse to Islam.

The claims of Breivik being motivated by Christian fundamentalism don't really hold much water imo, and never really did. Since his imprisonment he's consistently denied being a Christian at all and to this day calls it a pathetic religion afaik.

To me that sounds like someone who thinks Christians should "man up" and wipe out Islam, but that's just speculation. I'm fine with striking Tarrant off the list, but not quite convinced about Breivik.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Adopting conspiracy theories fanned by Karadzic and his Belgrade mentor Slobodan Milosevic, the self-appointed crusader sees Serbs as victims of aggressive Islam embodied by Bosniaks and Kosovo Albanians.

He also offers a solution, again involving the Balkans: European Muslims should be rounded up and deported first to Albania, which in his plans should be turned into a vast “transit zone”, and then on to central Anatolia, where they belong.

This seems to be a common thread among white supremacists. The idea that any ethnicity where more than 50% of the members are Muslim is automatically not part of the white European race and should be removed entirely. It's unfortunate that these ideas aren't limited only to white supremacists. Growing up, a common reason given to me as to why the Albanians "weren't white" was "aren't they mooslims?"

[The Alma Mater]

Brevik was a little more religion oriented. He wasn't a religious guy but thought of the conflict as being between the Judeo-Christian west and Islam. Tarrant was a biological racist though. For him it was all the common traits of a white supremacist. He viewed the existence of Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo as bad enough and didn't want "more of Europe to be taken over by Islamic occupiers." It's ironic because Bosnians and Albanians are native Europeans but some white supremacists don't think "whites" would ever convert en masse to Islam.

The claims of Breivik being motivated by Christian fundamentalism don't really hold much water imo, and never really did. Since his imprisonment he's consistently denied being a Christian at all and to this day calls it a pathetic religion afaik.

So the whole dressing up as a templar thing can be ignored ?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The claims of Breivik being motivated by Christian fundamentalism don't really hold much water imo, and never really did. Since his imprisonment he's consistently denied being a Christian at all and to this day calls it a pathetic religion afaik.

So the whole dressing up as a templar thing can be ignored ?

Brevik's a fucking weirdo. I can't even make sense of his beliefs.

[The Alma Mater]

So the whole dressing up as a templar thing can be ignored ?

Brevik's a fucking weirdo. I can't even make sense of his beliefs.

Btw, he is called Fjotolf Hansen now.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Brevik's a fucking weirdo. I can't even make sense of his beliefs.

Btw, he is called Fjotolf Hansen now.

He admires Al Qaeda but says he wants Muslims out of Europe. And he wants to work with Al Qaeda to biologically attack cities like bruh what is his ideology?

[Salus Maior]

So the whole dressing up as a templar thing can be ignored ?

IIRC, he was saying he was part of a group called the "Knights Templar".

Which as far as I can tell wasn't a real thing.

[Salus Maior]

Christchurch wasn't Christian terror. It was white supremacist terror. That guy would be the type to align with Germanic Neo Pagans against Maronite Christians cause "We gotta stop the brown people." Tarrant was not motivated by the bible.

I mean... he kinda was? Not nearly as much as he was by racism, though.

Having read the guy's manifesto, he explicitly said what radicalized him was seeing so many Muslims in France. And likewise, he stated that he wasn't a Christian, even though he wants Christians to take back Constantinople for some reason.