2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Insaanistan]

Actually, I don’t call everyone who argues with me an Islamiphobe. Just people like you. You know, the ones who threaten to use my holy book as toilet paper...

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Lying doesn't make you or anyone around you look good ya know.

And if you think that's what I said, then apparently to you Bad Literature = Quran. ¯\_(ツ)_/

Do you know what the word lying means... like at all?

And no. You heavily implied you meant the Qur’ân when you said “bad literature”. Nice try though.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Lying doesn't make you or anyone around you look good ya know.

And if you think that's what I said, then apparently to you Bad Literature = Quran. ¯\_(ツ)_/

Do you know what the word lying means... like at all?

And no. You heavily implied you meant the Qur’ân when you said “bad literature”. Nice try though.

Me knowing what a word does or does not mean isn't in question here, though i'll give you an A for effort though for that deflection attempt.

And again, as already stated by another user here, that's your opinion.

However, as already pointed out, if a simple 2020 based joke caused you to literally immediately resort to childish name calling/insults of others, doesn't that ironically kinda prove the point brought up earlier that followers of Islam over all apparently need to loosen up and stop taking shit so seriously? I mean, that's literally why this event happened in the first place.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well your views are very different from those that a lot of governments and religious institutions that are likewise respected. So why are they wrong, and you right?

What if a Christian said that the Westboro Baptist Church weren't real Christians? What makes their opinion right? Again, you can't just ignore the bad parts of your religion. Nobody can.

No, because they adhere to Christianity. Islam literally prohibits terrorism, so being a terrorist means you aren’t a Muslim. I’m not ignoring any part of my religion. And nobody should. If Islam really allowed that violence, all the people who called me ISIS, the n-word, sand n-word, monkey, Osama, etc would have all been dead already.

So a double standard then. Okay.

[Insaanistan]

No, because they adhere to Christianity. Islam literally prohibits terrorism, so being a terrorist means you aren’t a Muslim. I’m not ignoring any part of my religion. And nobody should. If Islam really allowed that violence, all the people who called me ISIS, the n-word, sand n-word, monkey, Osama, etc would have all been dead already.

So a double standard then. Okay.

Does the Bible explicitly prohibit hating gay people, Muslims, Jews and politicians? If so, then they aren’t real Christians.
On the other hand, the Qur’ân makes it clear that terrorist acts are no-no.

[Kandorith]

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

And there we have it again: anyone who criticizes, makes a joke or disagrees with even a single part of Islam or that acts of terror are done in the name OF Islam: is an Islamophobe.

The thing is that apart from a vocal minority, we're not saying that Islam causes this kind of behaviour, but rather that it is done in the name of Islam by the individual or group.

We are full circle once again.

I think I might be a person who has some rare friends: some of them who do believe in Islam yet can take a joke or two about it as long as I let them make a joke or two in return: I think that's quite a fine agreement. Even they agree that a lot of people around them are more and more hinging to extremism through their environment and the friends they make. They also take zero criticism of or poking fun at their beliefs up to physical assault as a reaction.

Now you have these people in basically all religions and isn't the standard religious person but I myself have experienced this is something which arises more with people of the muslim faith rather than for example christianity.

The happenings in France is yet another example, from what we know now allegedly the terrorist was paid by family members and/or people near the family circle after the students informed them of what the teacher had done. To me, this is beyond bonkers to be fair.

[West Leas Oros 2]

So a double standard then. Okay.

Does the Bible explicitly prohibit hating gay people, Muslims, Jews and politicians? If so, then they aren’t real Christians.
On the other hand, the Qur’ân makes it clear that terrorist acts are no-no.

Give me a verse that backs up your claim.

[Insaanistan]

Does the Bible explicitly prohibit hating gay people, Muslims, Jews and politicians? If so, then they aren’t real Christians.
On the other hand, the Qur’ân makes it clear that terrorist acts are no-no.

Give me a verse that backs up your claim.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:” - Chapter 2, verse 256
“Whoever takes an innocent life, it is as if he has killed all of mankind; and whoever saves an innocent life, it is as if he has killed all of mankind.” (I forgot which verse and chapter)

I’ll get more to you later, hopefully.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an "Islamophobe" isn't a great way to win a debate you know. In fact, it's generally accepted that once a person resorts to general insults, that his/her argument is pretty much over at that point because said argument can't stand on it's own.

*Edit*

It also kinda supports the point that Islam and it's followers apparently have a pretty low tolerance to any sort of criticism/perceived insult ironically enough...

I'm just gonna insert myself in here really quick to offer some nuance or a third point of view.

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it and think most Muslims are actively calling out for death to the infidels when they don't. Then there are the people (alt right) who think Arabs in general are the issue, not just Islam. It's really all a matter of context. Some people such as Pam Geller truly are islamaphobes in the sense that they think random Muslims they see on the street are the problem. But criticizing Islam? Not islamaphobic, at least in my opinion.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So a double standard then. Okay.

Does the Bible explicitly prohibit hating gay people, Muslims, Jews and politicians? If so, then they aren’t real Christians.
On the other hand, the Qur’ân makes it clear that terrorist acts are no-no.

Both the Quran and the Bible promote a less than stellar view of morality.

[Insaanistan]

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an "Islamophobe" isn't a great way to win a debate you know. In fact, it's generally accepted that once a person resorts to general insults, that his/her argument is pretty much over at that point because said argument can't stand on it's own.

*Edit*

It also kinda supports the point that Islam and it's followers apparently have a pretty low tolerance to any sort of criticism/perceived insult ironically enough...

I'm just gonna insert myself in here really quick to offer some nuance or a third point of view.

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it and think most Muslims are actively calling out for death to the infidels when they don't. Then there are the people (alt right) who think Arabs in general are the issue, not just Islam. It's really all a matter of context. Some people such as Pam Geller truly are islamaphobes in the sense that they think random Muslims they see on the street are the problem. But criticizing Islam? Not islamaphobic, at least in my opinion.

It isn’t Islamophobic, but saying you’d use my holy book as toilet paper IS. *Cough* Paddy *Cough*

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'm just gonna insert myself in here really quick to offer some nuance or a third point of view.

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it and think most Muslims are actively calling out for death to the infidels when they don't. Then there are the people (alt right) who think Arabs in general are the issue, not just Islam. It's really all a matter of context. Some people such as Pam Geller truly are islamaphobes in the sense that they think random Muslims they see on the street are the problem. But criticizing Islam? Not islamaphobic, at least in my opinion.

It isn’t Islamophobic, but saying you’d use my holy book as toilet paper IS. *Cough* Paddy *Cough*

Hardly, but hey, keep using that word. Even a stuck clock is right twice a day I guess. Bound to get it right sooner or later. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Insaanistan]

It isn’t Islamophobic, but saying you’d use my holy book as toilet paper IS. *Cough* Paddy *Cough*

Hardly, but hey, keep using that word. Even a stuck clock is right twice a day I guess. Bound to get it right sooner or later. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

“He [the ignorant one] would hear what I have to say, and he would pay it to heed. He would merely puff up his chest and bray like a donkey.”
-Hausa poem.

[The Alma Mater]

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it

Because that difference does not exist.
If the Quran would call for mass genocide yet muslims are on average friendly helpful people that have qualms about killing a flie - Islam is a peaceful religion.
If the Quran would call for utter rejection of violence yet muslims are on average headchopping maniacs - Islam is a deadly religion.

The believers define the religion. Not the writings; those are toiletpaper. Note how most believers ignoreys o at best cherrypick their own scriptures.

You are however right that believers are not always a hivemind. Differences of opinion exist. Hence averages.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not quite. Islam does indeed produce a disproportionately high number of religious offenses. Especially over here in Europe where Christian terrorism is nigh unheard off because in most of the countries here radical Christianity burned it self out by the time america was colonized, and what didn't fled to america to continue there.

Globally, Christian terrorism is quite prevalent, especially here in America. One problem is that non-Muslims are the least likely to be labeled terrorists.

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

[Insaanistan]

Globally, Christian terrorism is quite prevalent, especially here in America. One problem is that non-Muslims are the least likely to be labeled terrorists.

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

QAnon.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

QAnon.

Barring the dumbass who shoot the ceiling of a pizza place a couple years back what have they done to be considered terroristic?

[Insaanistan]

QAnon.

Barring the dumbass who shoot the ceiling of a pizza place a couple years back what have they done to be considered terroristic?

The FBI’s still figuring it out, but apparently they’re linked to multiple incidents of violence:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 8Kfoz4lMa1

[Kungsu]

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it

Because that difference does not exist.
If the Quran would call for mass genocide yet muslims are on average friendly helpful people that have qualms about killing a flie - Islam is a peaceful religion.
If the Quran would call for utter rejection of violence yet muslims are on average headchopping maniacs - Islam is a deadly religion.

The believers define the religion. Not the writings; those are toiletpaper. Note how most believers ignoreys o at best cherrypick their own scriptures.

You are however right that believers are not always a hivemind. Differences of opinion exist. Hence averages.

“The matter is quite simple. The bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand, we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. How would I ever get on in the world? Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Oh, priceless scholarship, what would we do without you? Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.”

-Søren Kierkegaard

There will always be a division between a doctrine and its adherents. A religion is the organization and its people, not the doctrine. If the doctrine is A and the people within are B, then the religion is B.

I'm not trying to say "Islam bad" or "Religion bad", but it is important to understand this differentiation. The people in a religion seldom ever follow it's doctrine to its fullest extent, and are more inclined to "reinterpret" scripture to suit their own ambitions or failings. Otherwise there would be no doctrinal religious schisms, and we would certainly not have Christian Crusades or Violent Jihads.

In short, I agree. A religion is its doctrine in work, not in theory.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Hardly, but hey, keep using that word. Even a stuck clock is right twice a day I guess. Bound to get it right sooner or later. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

“He [the ignorant one] would hear what I have to say, and he would pay it to heed. He would merely puff up his chest and bray like a donkey.”
-Hausa poem.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
-A. Lincoln

[Kungsu]

Globally, Christian terrorism is quite prevalent, especially here in America. One problem is that non-Muslims are the least likely to be labeled terrorists.

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, the 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting, the 2011 Norway Attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch mosque shootings, among others.

There are plenty of examples, most of them just don't get the same media coverage as Islamic terrorism (bar Christchurch, that was big for a while).

[Echellia]

Sadly, it is hardly surprising that this happened...

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It really isn't. Barring some groups in Africa and one or two in India and the surrounding region there's not really much Christian religious terrorism going on. Actual Christian terrorism in the States (ie militant anti abortion groups) has all but vanished and afaik hasn't been relevant since the 90's really.

The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, the 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting, the 2011 Norway Attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch mosque shootings, among others.

There are plenty of examples, most of them just don't get the same media coverage as Islamic terrorism (bar Christchurch, that was big for a while).

Christchurch wasn't Christian terror. It was white supremacist terror. That guy would be the type to align with Germanic Neo Pagans against Maronite Christians cause "We gotta stop the brown people." Tarrant was not motivated by the bible.

[Insaanistan]

The murder of Dr. George Tiller in 2009, the 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting, the 2011 Norway Attacks by Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch mosque shootings, among others.

There are plenty of examples, most of them just don't get the same media coverage as Islamic terrorism (bar Christchurch, that was big for a while).

Christchurch wasn't Christian terror. It was white supremacist terror. That guy would be the type to align with Germanic Neo Pagans against Maronite Christians cause "We gotta stop the brown people." Tarrant was not motivated by the bible.

I mean... he kinda was? Not nearly as much as he was by racism, though.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Criticizing Islam is not wrong and is actually necessary. Theres alot to criticize. That being said, some folks fail to differentiate between the religion and the actual 3 dimensional human beings who practice it

Because that difference does not exist.
If the Quran would call for mass genocide yet muslims are on average friendly helpful people that have qualms about killing a flie - Islam is a peaceful religion.
If the Quran would call for utter rejection of violence yet muslims are on average headchopping maniacs - Islam is a deadly religion.

The believers define the religion. Not the writings; those are toiletpaper. Note how most believers ignoreys o at best cherrypick their own scriptures.

You are however right that believers are not always a hivemind. Differences of opinion exist. Hence averages.

Islam on paper is violent. In practice many Muslims are not a threat.

[Insaanistan]

Because that difference does not exist.
If the Quran would call for mass genocide yet muslims are on average friendly helpful people that have qualms about killing a flie - Islam is a peaceful religion.
If the Quran would call for utter rejection of violence yet muslims are on average headchopping maniacs - Islam is a deadly religion.

The believers define the religion. Not the writings; those are toiletpaper. Note how most believers ignoreys o at best cherrypick their own scriptures.

You are however right that believers are not always a hivemind. Differences of opinion exist. Hence averages.

Islam on paper is violent. In practice many Muslims are not a threat.

Even on papear it’s not violent. It’s just not pacifist.