2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Insaanistan]

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

So what? Many things offend me or my religion from time to time. You won't see me aussalting, murdering, or losing my temper because of that.

Being offended is a choice to be fair.

You also won’t see me murdering or assaulting.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I wouldn’t be so sure now. There’s a lot of hate for what’s going on right now in France so Macron has the ability to do whatever he wants because of this

And I won’t blame the French for taking very aggressive actions considering a teacher was fucking beheaded

I'm surprised they're capable of doing that as they've drank up postmodern progressivism.

[Paddy O Fernature]

And?

So fucking what if it was, Islam clearly isn't beyond criticism as this latest incident goes to show.

Considering Islam explicitly prohibits violence save in self defense etc., and Muhammad (pbuh) warned us about people like ISIS, I’d say what’s more to blame is extremism. I didn’t accuse my atheist friend of hating me and atheism of being inherently violent when an atheist shot three Muslims on their graduation day simply for being Muslim.
By the way, maybe I didn’t make this clear, but I was referring to when he dismissed the reasons of people calling it offensive as “because reasons”.

Honestly don't care what you claim Islam allegedly preaches dude as it doesn't change the sickening fact that this "true believer" who had no association with the school went out of his way to behead a person for daring to show a picture that clearly Muslims couldn't handle and open a debate on the topic.

[Insaanistan]

Considering Islam explicitly prohibits violence save in self defense etc., and Muhammad (pbuh) warned us about people like ISIS, I’d say what’s more to blame is extremism. I didn’t accuse my atheist friend of hating me and atheism of being inherently violent when an atheist shot three Muslims on their graduation day simply for being Muslim.
By the way, maybe I didn’t make this clear, but I was referring to when he dismissed the reasons of people calling it offensive as “because reasons”.

Honestly don't care what you claim Islam allegedly preaches dude as it doesn't change the sickening fact that this "true believer" who had no association with the school went out of his way to behead a person for daring to show a picture that clearly Muslims couldn't handle and open a debate on the topic.

It’s not allegedly, just crack open a good Qur’ân translation.
And because ONE guy killed the teacher, which I agree is disgusting, it says something about MUSLIMS? 1.9 to 2.25 billion diverse people?! Most of whom know that what the terrorist did to Samuel is not only morally incorrect, but religiously impermissible?! Seriously dude. It’s like... what’s a generalization you guys hate... saying all white people are racist Nazis because some Neo-Nazis protested a Jew getting elected.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Honestly don't care what you claim Islam allegedly preaches dude as it doesn't change the sickening fact that this "true believer" who had no association with the school went out of his way to behead a person for daring to show a picture that clearly Muslims couldn't handle and open a debate on the topic.

It’s not allegedly, just crack open a good Qur’ân translation.
And because ONE guy killed the teacher, which I agree is disgusting, it says something about MUSLIMS? 1.9 to 2.25 billion diverse people?! Most of whom know that what the terrorist did to Samuel is not only morally incorrect, but religiously impermissible?! Seriously dude. It’s like... what’s a generalization you guys hate... saying all white people are racist Nazis because some Neo-Nazis protested a Jew getting elected.

No thank you. I'm not in the habit of keeping bad literature I don't agree with around in my home unless Covid forces me to consider secondary TP options again.

Also, don't try and act like this is the first time a "True Believer" has committed acts of violence in the name of the greater good even recently. Nobody is buying it, so kindly stop trying to sell it.

[Freiheit Reich]

Being easily offended by a picture is no excuse to murder in cold blood. Islam really needs to figure out how to prevent these crazies from commiting these atrocious acts.

Even just a false rumor of a movie depicting Muhammed (despite the fact the director was Islamic and very respectful towards Muhammed in this movie) caused a hostage situation and a death. It seems many Muslims have very thin skins on this issue. Note: If you are going to take people hostage, make sure your reason for doing so is correct.

https://www.filmsite.org/1977-filmhistory.html

Director Moustapha Akkad's The Message (1976, 1977) (aka Mohammed, Messenger of God), was an epic-length 178 minute dramatic biopic, taglined: "The Story of Islam." It starred Mexican-born actor Anthony Quinn (Abdallah Geith in the 198 minute Arabic version) - following his success in the desert epic Lawrence of Arabia (1962) -- as Mohammed's desert-dwelling warrior uncle Hamza. It was set in 7th century Mecca and documented the beginnings of Islam and the life and teachings of the prophet. Various religious groups called the film 'sacrilegious' and 'an insult to Islam' and it was banned from showings in much of the Arab world. There was further controversy when the film premiered in the U.S. in Washington, DC, in March, 1977. The Hanafi Black Muslim extremist group led by Hamas Abdul Khaalis staged a heavily-armed siege against the local Jewish chapter of the B'nai B'rith (its national headquarters) under the mistaken belief (without having seen the film) that Anthony Quinn played Mohammed in the film. During the two-day crisis, they took nearly 150 people hostage, and threatened to blow up the building while demanding the film opening's cancellation. Future DC mayor Marion Barry was shot when the terrorists overran the District Building, and many others were injured. The hostage situation was eventually defused by the FBI and Muslim ambassadors, and the theater chain that had booked the film cancelled the showing. This disastrous opening unfortunately ruined US box-office for the controversial film, as various moviehouses were forced to cancel their showings due to political pressures and further fears of violence.

[Insaanistan]

It’s not allegedly, just crack open a good Qur’ân translation.
And because ONE guy killed the teacher, which I agree is disgusting, it says something about MUSLIMS? 1.9 to 2.25 billion diverse people?! Most of whom know that what the terrorist did to Samuel is not only morally incorrect, but religiously impermissible?! Seriously dude. It’s like... what’s a generalization you guys hate... saying all white people are racist Nazis because some Neo-Nazis protested a Jew getting elected.

No thank you. I'm not in the habit of keeping bad literature I don't agree with around in my home unless Covid forces me to consider secondary TP options again.

Also, don't try and act like this is the first time a "True Believer" has committed acts of violence in the name of the greater good even recently. Nobody is buying it, so kindly stop trying to sell it.

Because “One guy killed the teacher” is the same as “This has never happened before and will never happen again.” and I definitely wasn’t saying these acts have no scriptural basis and don’t have endorsement from the greater Muslim community.
And you don’t agree with books that say Women and men are equal, racism is bad, slavery is bad etc? Though, judging from what I heard you say, I’m not surprised

[Insaanistan]

Being easily offended by a picture is no excuse to murder in cold blood. Islam really needs to figure out how to prevent these crazies from commiting these atrocious acts.

Even just a false rumor of a movie depicting Muhammed (despite the fact the director was Islamic and very respectful towards Muhammed in this movie) caused a hostage situation and a death. It seems many Muslims have very thin skins on this issue. Note: If you are going to take people hostage, make sure your reason for doing so is correct.

https://www.filmsite.org/1977-filmhistory.html

Director Moustapha Akkad's The Message (1976, 1977) (aka Mohammed, Messenger of God), was an epic-length 178 minute dramatic biopic, taglined: "The Story of Islam." It starred Mexican-born actor Anthony Quinn (Abdallah Geith in the 198 minute Arabic version) - following his success in the desert epic Lawrence of Arabia (1962) -- as Mohammed's desert-dwelling warrior uncle Hamza. It was set in 7th century Mecca and documented the beginnings of Islam and the life and teachings of the prophet. Various religious groups called the film 'sacrilegious' and 'an insult to Islam' and it was banned from showings in much of the Arab world. There was further controversy when the film premiered in the U.S. in Washington, DC, in March, 1977. The Hanafi Black Muslim extremist group led by Hamas Abdul Khaalis staged a heavily-armed siege against the local Jewish chapter of the B'nai B'rith (its national headquarters) under the mistaken belief (without having seen the film) that Anthony Quinn played Mohammed in the film. During the two-day crisis, they took nearly 150 people hostage, and threatened to blow up the building while demanding the film opening's cancellation. Future DC mayor Marion Barry was shot when the terrorists overran the District Building, and many others were injured. The hostage situation was eventually defused by the FBI and Muslim ambassadors, and the theater chain that had booked the film cancelled the showing. This disastrous opening unfortunately ruined US box-office for the controversial film, as various moviehouses were forced to cancel their showings due to political pressures and further fears of violence.

Dude, they were part of the Nation of Islam. There’s a reason so many people leave it and join mainstream Islam.

[West Leas Oros 2]

No thank you. I'm not in the habit of keeping bad literature I don't agree with around in my home unless Covid forces me to consider secondary TP options again.

Also, don't try and act like this is the first time a "True Believer" has committed acts of violence in the name of the greater good even recently. Nobody is buying it, so kindly stop trying to sell it.

Because “One guy killed the teacher” is the same as “This has never happened before and will never happen again.” and I definitely wasn’t saying these acts have no scriptural basis and don’t have endorsement from the greater Muslim community.
And you don’t agree with books that say Women and men are equal, racism is bad, slavery is bad etc? Though, judging from what I heard you say, I’m not surprised

I mean, that's just your interpretation. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to follow. Christians do that, Muslims do that, pretty much every religion. You don't get to pull a no true scotsman when a believer commits a crime.

[Insaanistan]

Anyone want to talk about how many French Muslim leaders and institutions have already condemned not the teacher, not the cartoon, but the attacker.

[Paddy O Fernature]

No thank you. I'm not in the habit of keeping bad literature I don't agree with around in my home unless Covid forces me to consider secondary TP options again.

Also, don't try and act like this is the first time a "True Believer" has committed acts of violence in the name of the greater good even recently. Nobody is buying it, so kindly stop trying to sell it.

Because “One guy killed the teacher” is the same as “This has never happened before and will never happen again.” and I definitely wasn’t saying these acts have no scriptural basis and don’t have endorsement from the greater Muslim community.
And you don’t agree with books that say Women and men are equal, racism is bad, slavery is bad etc? Though, judging from what I heard you say, I’m not surprised

Wew laddy, that's a fucking mighty fine strawman you have there. However, would you kindly put that strawman back where you found him, please and thank you.

Because “One guy killed the teacher” is the same as “This has never happened before and will never happen again.” and I definitely wasn’t saying these acts have no scriptural basis and don’t have endorsement from the greater Muslim community.
And you don’t agree with books that say Women and men are equal, racism is bad, slavery is bad etc? Though, judging from what I heard you say, I’m not surprised

I mean, that's just your interpretation. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to follow. Christians do that, Muslims do that, pretty much every religion. You don't get to pull a no true scotsman when a believer commits a crime.

Truth.

[Insaanistan]

Because “One guy killed the teacher” is the same as “This has never happened before and will never happen again.” and I definitely wasn’t saying these acts have no scriptural basis and don’t have endorsement from the greater Muslim community.
And you don’t agree with books that say Women and men are equal, racism is bad, slavery is bad etc? Though, judging from what I heard you say, I’m not surprised

I mean, that's just your interpretation. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to follow. Christians do that, Muslims do that, pretty much every religion. You don't get to pull a no true scotsman when a believer commits a crime.

I’m not picking and choosing which parts I want to follow. Unlike Islamophobes and terrorists alike, I just actually know what the Qur’ân says because I’ve researched the context and actually translations and the like.
Matter of fact: Give a “violent” Qur’ânic verse, and I’ll prove it isn’t really calling for killing all non-Muslims or whatever (give them at me one at a time, though).

[Insaanistan]

I’ll give time to look up izlambad.com to get your “alternate truths”.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I mean, that's just your interpretation. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to follow. Christians do that, Muslims do that, pretty much every religion. You don't get to pull a no true scotsman when a believer commits a crime.

I’m not picking and choosing which parts I want to follow. Unlike Islamophobes and terrorists alike, I just actually know what the Qur’ân says because I’ve researched the context and actually translations and the like.
Matter of fact: Give a “violent” Qur’ânic verse, and I’ll prove it isn’t really calling for killing all non-Muslims or whatever (give them at me one at a time, though).

Funny, I could have sworn that we already had an thread for "Islamic Discussion"..........

[West Leas Oros 2]

I mean, that's just your interpretation. You don't get to pick and choose which parts you want to follow. Christians do that, Muslims do that, pretty much every religion. You don't get to pull a no true scotsman when a believer commits a crime.

I’m not picking and choosing which parts I want to follow. Unlike Islamophobes and terrorists alike, I just actually know what the Qur’ân says because I’ve researched the context and actually translations and the like.
Matter of fact: Give a “violent” Qur’ânic verse, and I’ll prove it isn’t really calling for killing all non-Muslims or whatever (give them at me one at a time, though).

And what gives your interpretation of the verse more legitimacy than the interpretation of a religious figure, institution, or government? Why do you get to decide what it means?

[Insaanistan]

I’m not picking and choosing which parts I want to follow. Unlike Islamophobes and terrorists alike, I just actually know what the Qur’ân says because I’ve researched the context and actually translations and the like.
Matter of fact: Give a “violent” Qur’ânic verse, and I’ll prove it isn’t really calling for killing all non-Muslims or whatever (give them at me one at a time, though).

And what gives your interpretation of the verse more legitimacy than the interpretation of a religious figure, institution, or government? Why do you get to decide what it means?

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

[Insaanistan]

I’m not picking and choosing which parts I want to follow. Unlike Islamophobes and terrorists alike, I just actually know what the Qur’ân says because I’ve researched the context and actually translations and the like.
Matter of fact: Give a “violent” Qur’ânic verse, and I’ll prove it isn’t really calling for killing all non-Muslims or whatever (give them at me one at a time, though).

Funny, I could have sworn that we already had an thread for "Islamic Discussion"..........

Then use it... for “Islamic Discussion” not “Random stuff a right wing website said.”

[Paddy O Fernature]

And what gives your interpretation of the verse more legitimacy than the interpretation of a religious figure, institution, or government? Why do you get to decide what it means?

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an "Islamophobe" isn't a great way to win a debate you know. In fact, it's generally accepted that once a person resorts to general insults, that his/her argument is pretty much over at that point because said argument can't stand on it's own.

*Edit*

It also kinda supports the point that Islam and it's followers apparently have a pretty low tolerance to any sort of criticism/perceived insult ironically enough...

[The Alma Mater]

You want a religion... to stop random people? These types of people exist in every belief and disbelief. It’s just the media is literally over 700 times more likely to report on a “Muslim” doing something bad than other groups.

Not quite. Islam does indeed produce a disproportionately high number of religious offenses. Especially over here in Europe where Christian terrorism is nigh unheard off because in most of the countries here radical Christianity burned it self out by the time america was colonized, and what didn't fled to america to continue there.

You do not consider the IRA to be christian ?

[West Leas Oros 2]

And what gives your interpretation of the verse more legitimacy than the interpretation of a religious figure, institution, or government? Why do you get to decide what it means?

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Well your views are very different from those that a lot of governments and religious institutions that are likewise respected. So why are they wrong, and you right?

What if a Christian said that the Westboro Baptist Church weren't real Christians? What makes their opinion right? Again, you can't just ignore the bad parts of your religion. Nobody can.

[The Alma Mater]

And because ONE guy killed the teacher, which I agree is disgusting, it says something about MUSLIMS?

Well, it was not one guy. He had accomplishes. Quite a lot in fact - although Macron may be going a bit overboard with his banning of over 50 organisations.

But indeed not 2 billion.

[Insaanistan]

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an "Islamophobe" isn't a great way to win a debate you know. In fact, it's generally accepted that once a person resorts to general insults, that his/her argument is pretty much over at that point because said argument can't stand on it's own.

Actually, I don’t call everyone who argues with me an Islamiphobe. Just people like you. You know, the ones who threaten to use my holy book as toilet paper...

[Insaanistan]

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Well your views are very different from those that a lot of governments and religious institutions that are likewise respected. So why are they wrong, and you right?

What if a Christian said that the Westboro Baptist Church weren't real Christians? What makes their opinion right? Again, you can't just ignore the bad parts of your religion. Nobody can.

No, because they adhere to Christianity. Islam literally prohibits terrorism, so being a terrorist means you aren’t a Muslim. I’m not ignoring any part of my religion. And nobody should. If Islam really allowed that violence, all the people who called me ISIS, the n-word, sand n-word, monkey, Osama, etc would have all been dead already.

[Insaanistan]

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Well your views are very different from those that a lot of governments and religious institutions that are likewise respected. So why are they wrong, and you right?

What if a Christian said that the Westboro Baptist Church weren't real Christians? What makes their opinion right? Again, you can't just ignore the bad parts of your religion. Nobody can.

Also, they don’t differ from many respected institutions, and pretty much no one respects the governments.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an "Islamophobe" isn't a great way to win a debate you know. In fact, it's generally accepted that once a person resorts to general insults, that his/her argument is pretty much over at that point because said argument can't stand on it's own.

Actually, I don’t call everyone who argues with me an Islamiphobe. Just people like you. You know, the ones who threaten to use my holy book as toilet paper...

And what gives your interpretation of the verse more legitimacy than the interpretation of a religious figure, institution, or government? Why do you get to decide what it means?

Considering my views ARE those of many of the respected religious figures (Yasir Qadhi, Mufti Menk, etc), I’d say it’s pretty legitimate.
*Patiently waits for Islamophobes to pull up something a scholar at a random university said*

Lying doesn't make you or anyone around you look good ya know.

And if you think that's what I said, then apparently to you Bad Literature = Quran. ¯\_(ツ)_/