2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Teachers suck. Let kids learn without the fear of death from COVID-19.Teachers hate homeschooling and learning from home because they fear the loss of their precious careers.
Never EVER defend the teachers or give the schools money.That would be immoral.

Good God.French people killing over a picture of Mohammed. Hebdo should stop his hatred of Mohammed to stop the violence that will be directed towards him.But he’s French,so probably doesn’t make great life choices.No violence or insulting other religions please. Allow religious freedom free from insult and persecution.

"Hebdo" isn't a surname, it's "Charlie Hebdo" a magazine.

If I'm reading this right, you would be the first to unironically defend the murderer, at least in so far as you are happy with the killing. "No violence or insulting other religions" is nice, but the context makes it suspect. As though both are equally bad?

Also from what I know of France, you can't live there long before someone insults you.

[Freiheit Reich]

The one detail in that news story which alarmed me was the fact that the Algerian women said that they were in the park with 7 relatives of theirs. Why did they have 7 people among them to a household, 4 of which were children? If they're reproducing faster than the typical French family, I find this to be unacceptable. I'd like some form of state invention in order to ensure France stays majority French, much like how China finds at least some ways of protecting their Han Chinese majority.

A good reason for immigration is population decline in Western countries. Without immigration the US would go into population decline 10 to 15 years from now, accentuating a "too many old people" problem it has already.

You should most welcome children immigrating now: children adopt the ways of their new country far more easily than adults do. And even more you should welcome the legal immigrants in the US now (or anyone for that matter) having kids. Being citizens from birth, you should just trust immigrant families to do what is best for their own children, which is not burden them with bigoted customs that will make it hard for them to get along later in life.

My take is that you don't feel that welcome in your own country, and you blame illegal immigrants you hardly ever meet for how citizen immigrants react badly to you. What can I say? There's no country I know of which will make you welcome for being openly racist to their citizens.

2nd Figure: Nearly half the immigrants in the US are citizens

Bottom line: even if you insist that more immigration is bad, you should still support the immigrant citizens having more children. Because regardless of race, they are American children and you're going to need those for your own Social Security!

How high does the world population have to rise to before it is allowed to stop growing? Your argument (all too common) about too many old people vs. young people no longer applies considering how machines have decreased the need to human capital. Also, with better health care, 70 is now the new 50 and people can work longer. Look at President Trump as one example of a man in his 70's handling a stressful job. Your idea is like a pyramid scheme and it is dangerous. It seems you believe the population should rise indefinitely which will result in environmental problems, greater poverty, and more terrorism. One might argue that more Islamic terrorism is happening due to rapid population growth in Islamic nations which also tend to have a scarcity of resources. High poverty in Islamic nations has caused many to emigrate to non-Islamic nations resulting in the huge culture clash we are seeing.

We can see a lot of violence in many Islamic and Catholic nations because they are forbidden from using birth control by their religious leaders (likely because more followers means more power for their faiths). However, the religious leaders do little to combat poverty in their respective areas.

[Freiheit Reich]

A good reason for immigration is population decline in Western countries. Without immigration the US would go into population decline 10 to 15 years from now, accentuating a "too many old people" problem it has already.

You should most welcome children immigrating now: children adopt the ways of their new country far more easily than adults do. And even more you should welcome the legal immigrants in the US now (or anyone for that matter) having kids. Being citizens from birth, you should just trust immigrant families to do what is best for their own children, which is not burden them with bigoted customs that will make it hard for them to get along later in life.

My take is that you don't feel that welcome in your own country, and you blame illegal immigrants you hardly ever meet for how citizen immigrants react badly to you. What can I say? There's no country I know of which will make you welcome for being openly racist to their citizens.

2nd Figure: Nearly half the immigrants in the US are citizens

Bottom line: even if you insist that more immigration is bad, you should still support the immigrant citizens having more children. Because regardless of race, they are American children and you're going to need those for your own Social Security!

He thinks they can't assimilate because they're not white and somehow biologically are unable to integrate.

Chechens are "white" and the gentleman who beheaded the teacher was a Chechen. I assume the terrorist was "white" but I can't find a photo of him.

Muslims are not a race, they are a religion despite what many liberals seem to believe.

[Kandorith]

Teachers suck. Let kids learn without the fear of death from COVID-19.Teachers hate homeschooling and learning from home because they fear the loss of their precious careers.
Never EVER defend the teachers or give the schools money.That would be immoral.

Good God.French people killing over a picture of Mohammed. Hebdo should stop his hatred of Mohammed to stop the violence that will be directed towards him.But he’s French,so probably doesn’t make great life choices.No violence or insulting other religions please. Allow religious freedom free from insult and persecution.

This insults my religion because reasons. See how easy it is? In all honesty I think we should have the right to mock just about anything or at least joke with it, especially when it Co. Es to religions because face it: some religions have some silly things in it. In the end barring free speech in the name of religion is a path down a very dangerous road.

Honestly I think that one thing every civilized nation should do is permanently ban foreign citizens and organizations from sponsoring any religious organizations, NGO's and the like in their country.

For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

[Freiheit Reich]

He’s already issuing orders to ban 50 Muslim organizations on the grounds they are supporting radical islamism

In less extreme measures: a significant amount of teachers has declared that they will also start to have classes in which the cartoons are shown to have a debate on them, the Hebdo attacks and the beheading. Many also state they will NOT give the option to not look at the cartoons, contrary to the beheaded teacher.

And France is not alone in this. In the Netherlands for instance several teachers have also expressed the intent to devote a class to this subject.

This is surprising and positive. It means the terrorist did not achieve his objectives.

[Freiheit Reich]

He’s already issuing orders to ban 50 Muslim organizations on the grounds they are supporting radical islamism

If they do, they should be banned.

I am not sure this is OK even though I dislike terrorism. It could be a violation of freedom of speech. In theory, people should be also be allowed to send money to terrorist organizations in other countries as long as they are not specifically instructing people to commit specific acts of terrorism in exchange for the money. If the organizations are just making hate speeches, they should be allowed to continue to exist (but they should be watched closely).

[Freiheit Reich]

Using an analogy of race, for religious hatred, is quite dubious. Isn't it a tenet of Islam that harming a believer is worse than harming a heathen? And thus, the terrorist's motive isn't directly founded in Islamic teaching but some fundamentalist crazy shit?

Though negligence would explain it just as well. The terrorist driver didn't notice the hijabi, or didn't notice until it was too late to stop?

In case you haven’t realized, terrorism has no basis in Islam apart from misquoted verses and hadiths.

Are you sure they were misquoted? Even the prophet Muhammad himself could be considered quite violent and intolerant by the standards of today. :

https://www.muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/ ... #Beginning

[Nobel Hobos 2]

In less extreme measures: a significant amount of teachers has declared that they will also start to have classes in which the cartoons are shown to have a debate on them, the Hebdo attacks and the beheading. Many also state they will NOT give the option to not look at the cartoons, contrary to the beheaded teacher.

And France is not alone in this. In the Netherlands for instance several teachers have also expressed the intent to devote a class to this subject.

This is surprising and positive. It means the terrorist did not achieve his objectives.

Unless one of his objectives was to end the practice of segregation separating Muslim students from the others.

[Insaanistan]

In case you haven’t realized, terrorism has no basis in Islam apart from misquoted verses and hadiths.

Are you sure they were misquoted? Even the prophet Muhammad himself could be considered quite violent and intolerant by the standards of today. :

https://www.muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/ ... #Beginning

Uh, yeah, misquoted, because contextually, historically and linguistically speaking, here “non-believers” means “Makkans: the pagans who killed our and threw us out of our homes and sold our stuff.”

[Insaanistan]

Teachers suck. Let kids learn without the fear of death from COVID-19.Teachers hate homeschooling and learning from home because they fear the loss of their precious careers.
Never EVER defend the teachers or give the schools money.That would be immoral.

Good God.French people killing over a picture of Mohammed. Hebdo should stop his hatred of Mohammed to stop the violence that will be directed towards him.But he’s French,so probably doesn’t make great life choices.No violence or insulting other religions please. Allow religious freedom free from insult and persecution.

This insults my religion because reasons. See how easy it is? In all honesty I think we should have the right to mock just about anything or at least joke with it, especially when it Co. Es to religions because face it: some religions have some silly things in it. In the end barring free speech in the name of religion is a path down a very dangerous road.

Honestly I think that one thing every civilized nation should do is permanently ban foreign citizens and organizations from sponsoring any religious organizations, NGO's and the like in their country.

For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

[Purpelia]

For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

If your community has enough worshipers to support a religious institution than you can just take over.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

If your community has enough worshipers to support a religious institution than you can just take over.

"I was on Occupy Bonanza, that was dull but at least there were buzzards. This dump doesn't even have power and my battery's nearly out. Let's Occupy Someplacewithfood! People?"

[Kandorith]

For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

If your community has enough worshipers to support a religious institution than you can just take over.

"I was on Occupy Bonanza, that was dull but at least there were buzzards. This dump doesn't even have power and my battery's nearly out. Let's Occupy Someplacewithfood! People?"

That would actually be quite hilarious, I guess I would then be dubbed one of the first modern day "Shinto extremists"

[The Alma Mater]

Are you sure they were misquoted? Even the prophet Muhammad himself could be considered quite violent and intolerant by the standards of today. :

https://www.muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/ ... #Beginning

Uh, yeah, misquoted, because contextually, historically and linguistically speaking, here “non-believers” means “Makkans: the pagans who killed our and threw us out of our homes and sold our stuff.”

No doubt the Makkans would tell a very different story.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Are you sure they were misquoted? Even the prophet Muhammad himself could be considered quite violent and intolerant by the standards of today. :

https://www.muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/ ... #Beginning

Uh, yeah, misquoted, because contextually, historically and linguistically speaking, here “non-believers” means “Makkans: the pagans who killed our and threw us out of our homes and sold our stuff.”

Aaaaand that's a lie, just like "Terrorism has no basis in Islam" in and of itself.

[The Alma Mater]

This insults my religion because reasons. See how easy it is? In all honesty I think we should have the right to mock just about anything or at least joke with it, especially when it Co. Es to religions because face it: some religions have some silly things in it. In the end barring free speech in the name of religion is a path down a very dangerous road.



For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

They certainly were. And no doubt intended as such. However, if one wants to discuss them, showing them is a powerful aid.

That being said, many things are insulting. The Azaan for instance is extremely insulting to people who worship a god who is not Allah, especially when it is shouted through a speaker at deafening volume.

Should we ban it ?

[The Restored Danelaw]

Uh, yeah, misquoted, because contextually, historically and linguistically speaking, here “non-believers” means “Makkans: the pagans who killed our and threw us out of our homes and sold our stuff.”

No doubt the Makkans would tell a very different story.

Eh. Not really. I mean they'd probably add a "These Muslims are being led by a known madman and wish to destroy every aspect of our society and take away many right of the people who live among us [Jews, Christians, other Pagans, women, etc.]" disclaimer, but they were killing Muslims and banishing them in the early years of Islamic History. Correctly and Justly, but it's still something that was happening.

[American Micronesia]

The one detail in that news story which alarmed me was the fact that the Algerian women said that they were in the park with 7 relatives of theirs. Why did they have 7 people among them to a household, 4 of which were children? If they're reproducing faster than the typical French family, I find this to be unacceptable. I'd like some form of state invention in order to ensure France stays majority French, much like how China finds at least some ways of protecting their Han Chinese majority.

A good reason for immigration is population decline in Western countries. Without immigration the US would go into population decline 10 to 15 years from now, accentuating a "too many old people" problem it has already.

You should most welcome children immigrating now: children adopt the ways of their new country far more easily than adults do. And even more you should welcome the legal immigrants in the US now (or anyone for that matter) having kids. Being citizens from birth, you should just trust immigrant families to do what is best for their own children, which is not burden them with bigoted customs that will make it hard for them to get along later in life.

My take is that you don't feel that welcome in your own country, and you blame illegal immigrants you hardly ever meet for how citizen immigrants react badly to you. What can I say? There's no country I know of which will make you welcome for being openly racist to their citizens.

2nd Figure: Nearly half the immigrants in the US are citizens

Bottom line: even if you insist that more immigration is bad, you should still support the immigrant citizens having more children. Because regardless of race, they are American children and you're going to need those for your own Social Security!

You're trying to formulate a solution based on the American situation.

The issue Europe is having is that, after half a century of immigration from the Middle East, there has been N O success in integrating any of the new population groups that have moved in. In fact, there has been more than enough research done in Europe that shows that succeeding generations actually tend to be more religious and more nationalist about their supposed ethnic homeland than their (grand)parents before that originally moved into Europe.

Furthermore, America is not built on the principles of being a nationstate. You can rage and rant about it, but the ideas of nationhood are ingrained in European states, and with the return of nationalism the past 20 years (since Pim Fortuyn and the Swiss boys showed that it indeed could work in Europe) I think that's a Pandora's Box that cannot be closed again in our lifetimes. In fact, we're even seeing traditionally left-wing parties (the Danish socialists, Macron's club etc.) take a proactive stance against Islam and/or migration.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Being easily offended by a picture is no excuse to murder in cold blood. Islam really needs to figure out how to prevent these crazies from commiting these atrocious acts.

[Insaanistan]

Being easily offended by a picture is no excuse to murder in cold blood. Islam really needs to figure out how to prevent these crazies from commiting these atrocious acts.

You want a religion... to stop random people? These types of people exist in every belief and disbelief. It’s just the media is literally over 700 times more likely to report on a “Muslim” doing something bad than other groups.

[Paddy O Fernature]

This insults my religion because reasons. See how easy it is? In all honesty I think we should have the right to mock just about anything or at least joke with it, especially when it Co. Es to religions because face it: some religions have some silly things in it. In the end barring free speech in the name of religion is a path down a very dangerous road.



For me that would result losing the only place of worship for me where I live. Let's not do that

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

And?

So fucking what if it was, Islam clearly isn't beyond criticism as this latest incident goes to show.

[Insaanistan]

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

And?

So fucking what if it was, Islam clearly isn't beyond criticism as this latest incident goes to show.

Considering Islam explicitly prohibits violence save in self defense etc., and Muhammad (pbuh) warned us about people like ISIS, I’d say what’s more to blame is extremism. I didn’t accuse my atheist friend of hating me and atheism of being inherently violent when an atheist shot three Muslims on their graduation day simply for being Muslim.
By the way, maybe I didn’t make this clear, but I was referring to when he dismissed the reasons of people calling it offensive as “because reasons”.

[Purpelia]

Being easily offended by a picture is no excuse to murder in cold blood. Islam really needs to figure out how to prevent these crazies from commiting these atrocious acts.

You want a religion... to stop random people? These types of people exist in every belief and disbelief. It’s just the media is literally over 700 times more likely to report on a “Muslim” doing something bad than other groups.

Not quite. Islam does indeed produce a disproportionately high number of religious offenses. Especially over here in Europe where Christian terrorism is nigh unheard off because in most of the countries here radical Christianity burned it self out by the time america was colonized, and what didn't fled to america to continue there.

[Kandorith]

While I agree that free speech should be protected, you realize the cartoon was actually offensive, right?

So what? Many things offend me or my religion from time to time. You won't see me aussalting, murdering, or losing my temper because of that.

Being offended is a choice to be fair.

[Insaanistan]

You want a religion... to stop random people? These types of people exist in every belief and disbelief. It’s just the media is literally over 700 times more likely to report on a “Muslim” doing something bad than other groups.

Not quite. Islam does indeed produce a disproportionately high number of religious offenses. Especially over here in Europe where Christian terrorism is nigh unheard off because in most of the countries here radical Christianity burned it self out by the time america was colonized, and what didn't fled to america to continue there.

Globally, Christian terrorism is quite prevalent, especially here in America. One problem is that non-Muslims are the least likely to be labeled terrorists.