2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Vassenor]

Like all those bits in the Qu'ran about killing women and children always being wrong that we're not supposed to know about.

Like what? Verses, please?

OR are you just referring to the blatant ignoring of context or mistranslations etc?

I'm trying to agree with you here. And the broader case of the far-right pulling stuff out of context to make Muslims look like violent savages.

[-Astoria-]

It's sad to witness the anti-Muslim hate present on this thread.

Eh, one eventually gets used to it after a while.

[Cordel One]

Hong Kongers are always the perpetual victims of eBiL cHiNa don't you know?

God damn, the victim complex and hypocrisy is rediculous. Are you familiar with the recent history of the Middle East, specifically that during and after the Cold War? The entire region was ravaged by the United Stats and the Soviet Union fighing proxy wars, and after the fall of the Soviet Union it cotinued to serve as the primary target of the military industrial complex and oil companies. Surprise, murdering people's families radicalizes them. Of course people are gonna be pissed off about that, especially in unstable countries. This leads people to join groups of other angry individuals and attack the country responsible for slaughtering their friends and families. Most of these acts are extremely horrible and misguided, but it's understandable why they're in that situation and why they'd want to retaliate. You want to talk about slaughter? Just look at what we did to them. The terrorist organization that deserves most of the blame for this is the US military and the arms manufacturers and oil companies they fight for.

Now, on to the hypocrisy. You'd think as someone who speaks out against a country that's taking over their home you'd understand the plight of the Paliestinians, which is much, much worse than Chinese rule over your city. They were massacred and thrown out of their homes, then exiled to a place that's almost impossible to leave and where the IDF routinely commits war crimes. SImilar things have occurred in the multiple Middle Eastern countries that have been repeatedly invaded by an apathetic foreign power. At least the Hong Kong police don't want to leave your city an near-inhospitable wasteland.

It's also worth noting you clearly have no idea wtf a lefist is. Hillary Clinton was a warmonger who participated as part of the military industrial complex. Corbyn is the only person you mentioned who can be considered left wing.

1.Whataboutism and victim-blaming. It's Arabs and Muslims who suffer from a chronic victim complex both in their own countries as well as in the West.

You missed the point by a couple miles.

2. You demonstrate an extremely limited understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinians, or so they've been called since the 60s, are decidedly NOT the victims of anything but their own sense of ultra-nationalist and religious entitlement to Jerusalem and other "Muslim" lands. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just one front along the Muslim world's bloody borders with the land of the infidels, i.e. myself. The whole world must resist the relentless encroachment of both radical Islam and the CCP all at once.

Congratulations, you've almost realized issues aren't entirely black and white. You're getting close to realizing the Palestinians aren't an evil hivemind as well. You know who else has an ultra-nationalist and religious entitlement to Jerusalem and other "Jewish" lands? I'll give you a hint: They forced the Palestinians out of their homes and routinely commit war crimes against them, often without reason.

3. As far as I'm concerned, Democrats, Labour, the CCP, the CCCP, MAS-IPSP, Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam, Lula da Silva, and North Korea are all leftist. It's a broad umbrella term that encompasses the entire gamut from woke, SJW "liberals" such as Taylor Swift to violently radical communist extremists such as Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot. And anarchos such as yourself, along with Antifa in between.

So the left is a glob of ideologies you don't like, even if they're not leftist in reality. I don't get how you can confidently spew such an ignorant take, even considering you have no idea what half these ideologies are.

Did I say it does? My point is that Muslims aren't inclined toward violence, many Middle Eastern people are just retaliating for acts far worse than their own.

The French beheadings are clearly in response to cartoons and Macron's refusal to back down. Not because of WeStErN iMpErIaLiSm.

I already explained this bit, but I'll do so again with more simplicity.

1. America hurt people in Middle East
2. People in Middle East get angry and some angry people join groups
2a. Organized terrorism
3. People in France offend people in Middle East
4. Angry people hurt people in France

[Insaanistan]

Islam is not a problem in France. But extremism is a plague that must be exterminated. Extremism is the belief al gays must die. That all non-Muslims will go to hell.

Thats not exactly a minority opinion in the islamic world

The former is relatively prevalent, though few would actually act on it. The latter, not really.

[Insaanistan]

Like what? Verses, please?

OR are you just referring to the blatant ignoring of context or mistranslations etc?

I'm trying to agree with you here. And the broader case of the far-right pulling stuff out of context to make Muslims look like violent savages.

Wow. I can’t read.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Islam is not a problem in France. But extremism is a plague that must be exterminated. Extremism is the belief al gays must die. That all non-Muslims will go to hell.

Thats not exactly a minority opinion in the islamic world

The “Islamic World” if you mean Islamist nations, is hardly the only position, or even widely prevalent. You’ll notice that generally, Islam in the West is very different from Islam in the “Islamic World”. Western society and philosophy has “declawed” religion in more than a few ways. Look at the history of Christianity. Islam has yet to go through that same mellowing in some parts of the world. Likewise, there are some places where Christianity still is...er... raw.

[Cordel One]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

Christian Fundamentalism (handshake emoji) Islamic Fundamentalism.

[New Steuben]

Sorry? Are you saying “You also thought Trudeau said nothing wrong when he compared being beheaded to yelling fire in a theatre.”?
First of all, that’s not true. He didn’t say that: Your thinking about what I said, but even then I didn’t say that.
I was defending Trudeau’s claim free speech is limited by giving the example of yelling “fire” in a theater. You’ll see many times I condemned the violence.

Im assuming your at least somewhat intelligent

When talking about beheading because of the muhammed drawing trudae basically said that we have free speech but we cant yell fire in a theatre.

Why would he say that in response to the beheading?

Still waiting for a response

[Fahran]

Islam is not a problem in France. But extremism is a plague that must be exterminated.

Ah, I thought you were going to make an argument like the one of many presented in The Reluctant Fundamentalist. Excellent novel by the way.

Extremism is the belief al gays must die. That all non-Muslims will go to hell.

If I recall correctly, some hadiths do prescribe the death penalty for homosexual acts since they constitute a form of zina, though this could be interpreted only to apply to unmarried men. I'm skeptical that any Abrahamic religion, even my own, is going to have an altogether favorable view of LGBT+ issues. At best, we can hope to stymie the occurrence of mob justice and state-sanctioned executions.

With regard to the latter problem, I don't really consider it an issue. Someone thinking that you'll go to Hell isn't terribly oppressive so long as they don't hound or accost you and aren't your parents, family, or close friends.

[Fahran]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

Kinda. I don't really think Islamists or old school Catholics have neat parallels in most modern liberal democracies. Even most of our evangelicals broadly adhere to a liberal paradigm despite their social conservatism.

[Aureumterra III]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

Islamism is a political ideology, not a religious one. Islam as a religion is far more political in nature than the other Abrahamic faiths, the Sunni-Shia split was based entirely on politics, unlike the Great Schism which was based on theology

[Cordel One]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

Islamism is a political ideology, not a religious one. Islam as a religion is far more political in nature than the other Abrahamic faiths, the Sunni-Shia split was based entirely on politics, unlike the Great Schism which was based on theology

Do you really think Christianity and its splits weren't political?

[Vassenor]

The Islamist terrorists are also far right, sorta like the Crusaders or to a lesser extent Evangelicals.

Islamism is a political ideology, not a religious one. Islam as a religion is far more political in nature than the other Abrahamic faiths, the Sunni-Shia split was based entirely on politics, unlike the Great Schism which was based on theology

-laughs in anglicanism-

[New Steuben]

Sometimes i think Fahran is the only reasonable person in these discussions.

[Vassenor]

Sometimes i think Fahran is the only reasonable person in these discussions.

Based on what metric of "reasonable"?

[New Steuben]

Sometimes i think Fahran is the only reasonable person in these discussions.

Based on what metric of "reasonable"?

Because he dosnt make piss poor excuses for islamists and looks at history, his arguements are simply logical and not steeped in emotion

[Vassenor]

Based on what metric of "reasonable"?

Because he dosnt make piss poor excuses for islamists and looks at history, his arguements are simply logical and not steeped in emotion

Oh, so because he agrees with you and not much else.

[New Steuben]

Because he dosnt make piss poor excuses for islamists and looks at history, his arguements are simply logical and not steeped in emotion

Oh, so because he agrees with you and not much else.

Im sure we radically disagree on many things

[Cordel One]

Based on what metric of "reasonable"?

Because he dosnt make piss poor excuses for islamists and looks at history, his arguements are simply logical and not steeped in emotion

*she

That's not true either, bringing up historical tensions isn't meant to be an excuse, it's just evidence that people from the Middle East aren't inherently violent. History and sociology aren't emotional arguments.

[New Steuben]

Because he dosnt make piss poor excuses for islamists and looks at history, his arguements are simply logical and not steeped in emotion

*she

That's not true either, bringing up historical tensions isn't meant to be an excuse, it's just evidence that people from the Middle East aren't inherently violent.

Anyways SHE seems to have good grasp

[Cordel One]

*she

That's not true either, bringing up historical tensions isn't meant to be an excuse, it's just evidence that people from the Middle East aren't inherently violent.

Anyways SHE seems to have good grasp

On no other basis than her agreement with you.

[New Steuben]

Anyways SHE seems to have good grasp

On no other basis than her agreement with you.

Does she though?

[Cordel One]

On no other basis than her agreement with you.

Does she though?

To an extent.

[New Steuben]

Does she though?

To an extent.

Explain