2020 French Terrorist Beheadings and Attacks Thread

[Omniabstracta]

It's been too long for Constantinople, but the Kurds and Armenians remain oppressed minoritied that do deserve justice.

Lol wtf is “too long” it was barley a hundred years ago the turks were displacing greeks

Probably not the best example, considering that the Greeks were also displacing Turks (and just Muslims in general), generally what happens in the whole “population exchange” thing that both sides agreed to. Not that population exchanges are good, they’re awful, but it’s far from just the evil Turks displacing the poor Greeks.

[New Steuben]

Lol wtf is “too long” it was barley a hundred years ago the turks were displacing greeks

Probably not the best example, considering that the Greeks were also displacing Turks (and just Muslims in general), generally what happens in the whole “population exchange” thing that both sides agreed to. Not that population exchanges are good, they’re awful, but it’s far from just the evil Turks displacing the poor Greeks.

Uhhh this was before the exchange, the exchange happend though

Anatolia wasnt even turkish originally, nor was it even muslim

[Omniabstracta]

Probably not the best example, considering that the Greeks were also displacing Turks (and just Muslims in general), generally what happens in the whole “population exchange” thing that both sides agreed to. Not that population exchanges are good, they’re awful, but it’s far from just the evil Turks displacing the poor Greeks.

Uhhh this was before the exchange, the exchange happend though

Anatolia wasnt even turkish originally, nor was it even muslim

Which gets back to my original point, that Arlenton’s proposed eye-for-an-eye retaliation is patently absurd at best and hypocritical at worst when applied to any other situation, and even more so when it’s applied to this current situation where there aren’t meaningful “sides” in any sense of the term.

[New Steuben]

Uhhh this was before the exchange, the exchange happend though

Anatolia wasnt even turkish originally, nor was it even muslim

Which gets back to my original point, that Arlenton’s proposed eye-for-an-eye retaliation is patently absurd at best and hypocritical at worst when applied to any other situation, and even more so when it’s applied to this current situation where there aren’t meaningful “sides” in any sense of the term.

Its no more absurd as the “ we owe them” stance as well,

[The Two Jerseys]

Just wait until you find out about revanchism.

French people being beheaded is the fault of imperialism? Again, you’re not helping your case

Apparently Muslims were perfectly fine with people drawing pictures of Muhammad until the French colonized Algeria...

[Insaanistan]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

[Insaanistan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... utType=amp

[Diahon]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

more attacks? the fuck?

[Insaanistan]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

more attacks? the fuck?

I don’t think there were more, I was just asking for God to give those already killed Paradise.

[Sanghyeok]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

more attacks? the fuck?

There were more attacks in Nice.

[Fahran]

It's the fault of imperialism and US warmongering.

I don't think you understand the paradigm behind these religiously-motivated attacks. I would recommend reading Sayyid Qutb's Signposts Along the Way and exploring the history of Islamic Conquests for a little insight into the psyche of a fervent Islamist. The essential argument and underlying justification for the violence is that Christianity, socialism, and neoliberalism have failed as global models and systems and, furthermore, that Islam is the logical replacement that will allow mankind to progress into the next era. People like Qutb and Bin Laden weren't asking to be left alone. They were proposing a novel hegemony to replace American hegemony. This becomes extremely apparent when we observe how Salafis/Wahhabis discuss France.

With regard to France's "Middle Eastern" population, they're overwhelmingly Maghrebi and Turkish, with immigrants coming from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Turkey. The United States hasn't really engaged in frequent warmongering in those regions and, really, aside from Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan, it's a bit dubious to lay the direct blame at the feet of the United States for most of the Middle East's troubles anyway. Syria, for instance, is in crisis because Assad mismanaged the country for around a decade and was less adept at crushing resistance from the Muslim Brotherhood and liberalizing elements than his father. France can perhaps be directly blamed for some of the enduring troubles in Algeria given the bloody war for independence there, but a lot of the recent violence in the Maghreb has come from Islamist insurgencies against Arab nationalist governments. And Islamist violence has been a trend in the Sunni world since the 1979 Seizure of the Grand Mosque by the descendants of the Ikhwan.

[New Steuben]

It's the fault of imperialism and US warmongering.

I don't think you understand the paradigm behind these religiously-motivated attacks. I would recommend reading Sayyid Qutb's Signposts Along the Way and exploring the history of Islamic Conquests for a little insight into the psyche of a fervent Islamist. The essential argument and underlying justification for the violence is that Christianity, socialism, and neoliberalism have failed as global models and systems and, furthermore, that Islam is the logical replacement that will allow mankind to progress into the next era. People like Qutb and Bin Laden weren't asking to be left alone. They were proposing a novel hegemony to replace American hegemony. This becomes extremely apparent when we observe how Salafis/Wahhabis discuss France.

With regard to France's "Middle Eastern" population, they're overwhelmingly Maghrebi and Turkish, with immigrants coming from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Turkey. The United States hasn't really engaged in frequent warmongering in those regions and, really, aside from Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan, it's a bit dubious to lay the blame at the feet of the United States for most of the Middle East's troubles. Syria, for instance, is in crisis because Assad mismanaged the country for around a decade and was less adept at crushing resistance from the Muslim Brotherhood and liberalizing elements than his father. France can perhaps be blamed for some of the enduring troubles in Algeria given the bloody war for independence there, but a lot of the recent violence in the Maghreb has come from Islamist insurgencies against Arab nationalist governments. And Islamist violence has been a trend in the Sunni world since the 1979 Seizure of the Grand Mosque by the descendants of the Ikhwan.

This ^

[The Alma Mater]

more attacks? the fuck?

I don’t think there were more, I was just asking for God to give those already killed Paradise.

There were more. And several prevented.

[Phoenicaea]

^i agree somewhat to last posts, the war meddling does not cause what we see. as _Farhan said, the ideological spread as qualifying element, and ethnicity as the root cause for frustration, say more.

i do not agree with the role of al-qaeda you stress in your post, of ideological and web primogeniture. i do not give importance to this, probably it would have been there even without al-qaeda, as recent days show.

[-Astoria-]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

Please elaborate; do you mean the people that were stacked, or the attackers?

[Fahran]

Allah bless those killed in these attacks, and may Allah grant them Jannah al-Firdaus (Paradise/Heaven).

Please elaborate; do you mean the people that were stacked, or the attackers?

Insaanistan doesn't support terrorism. They meant the victims of the attacks.

[-Astoria-]

Please elaborate; do you mean the people that were stacked, or the attackers?

Insaanistan doesn't support terrorism. They meant the victims of the attacks.

Ah; the wording wasn't that clear to me.

[Fahran]

On a more personal note, a lot of the young men who become susceptible to radicalization, whether that brand of radicalization be Islamist, Marxist, or hyper-nationalist, feel disenfranchised and alienated from a society filled with listlessness and empty materialism. They feel as though their identities are under attack by a society that offers them very little in the way of spiritual or existential meaning. And, on a fundamental level, I think they might have a point. This is especially obvious in the children and grandchildren of immigrants who have to juggle multiple identities and multiple cultural influences. Even in the absence of barriers to assimilation, a secular, neoliberal society is still going to run into problems - both with immigrants and nativists who feel as though their world is crumbling or that society is devoid of virtue or meaning. I think books like Fight Club and The Satanic Verses arguably foreshadowed these problems before they flared up to the extent that they have at present.

[Fahran]

Islam is the root of all evil.

No.

Muslims should not be taken as refugee .

It might be worthwhile to place some restrictions on immigration from the Maghreb and Turkey until France can ensure that immigrants and their descendants can be adequately assimilated into French culture and not be relegated to living in ethnic ghettos.

European countries are now paying the price of welcoming these illiterate aholes ,

I imagine literacy is quite high among Muslim immigrants and their descendants, at least as high as anyone would expect given the French educational system.

how are following some laws written by a guy in 7t century .

Islamic law has evolved and found novel applications since the 7th century. Egypt, in particular, enjoyed a flourishing in Islamic learning beginning in the twentieth century. Sayyid Qutb actually came out of that broad religious movement and was originally a modernist before becoming the arguable theological forefather of modern Islamist terrorist.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Lol wtf is “too long” it was barley a hundred years ago the turks were displacing greeks

Probably not the best example, considering that the Greeks were also displacing Turks (and just Muslims in general), generally what happens in the whole “population exchange” thing that both sides agreed to. Not that population exchanges are good, they’re awful, but it’s far from just the evil Turks displacing the poor Greeks.

The Turks murdered thousands of Greeks during world War II. At the same time as the Armenian genocide, they had a Greek genocide.

[Insaanistan]

According to Andalou, a Right-wing “Neo-Nazi” shot by police in Avignon after threatening a North African business by pointing a handgun at it and it’s owner. Apparently, initial reports falsely claimed the almost attacker was a Muslim who shouted “Allahu Akbar” in the streets. I’ve only seen one news source report on this, so don’t assume it’s true or false yet.

[-Astoria-]

According to Andalou, a Right-wing “Neo-Nazi” shot by police in Avignon after threatening a North African business by pointing a handgun at it and it’s owner. Apparently, initial reports falsely claimed the almost attacker was a Muslim who shouted “Allahu Akbar” in the streets. I’ve only seen one news source report on this, so don’t assume it’s true or false yet.

There's one from the Mirror; apparently, the person in question was reported to have made a Nazi salute.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

According to Andalou, a Right-wing “Neo-Nazi” shot by police in Avignon after threatening a North African business by pointing a handgun at it and it’s owner. Apparently, initial reports falsely claimed the almost attacker was a Muslim who shouted “Allahu Akbar” in the streets. I’ve only seen one news source report on this, so don’t assume it’s true or false yet.

They thought the Noway bomber was a Muslim at first too till they found him.

Says alot about society.

[Albionist Great Britain]

François Hollande Questions Turkey’s Membership in NATO

Just to reiterate, in the last 48 hours, we have seen both Marine le Pen and François Hollande rally behind Emmanuel Macron for a common cause

This is what countries can do without the ridiculous polarization that we have in the US

Hollande is still continuing his whataboutism though, luckily Macron is finally showing his nationalist side

Unfortunately there’s no legal structure in place to remove a country from NATO, and I fear attempting to do/doing so would only worsen Anglo-European capabilities to fight Russia, or it would push Ankara more into Russia’s interests. However the Artsakh Conflict shows that Turkey and Russia are at odds in some places, so I think we (the West) need to up our game and play them against one another until Ankara can be pacified.

[Insaanistan]

According to Andalou, a Right-wing “Neo-Nazi” shot by police in Avignon after threatening a North African business by pointing a handgun at it and it’s owner. Apparently, initial reports falsely claimed the almost attacker was a Muslim who shouted “Allahu Akbar” in the streets. I’ve only seen one news source report on this, so don’t assume it’s true or false yet.

There's one from the Mirror; apparently, the person in question was reported to have made a Nazi salute.

The Sun and some Turkish site reported on it too.
Also, France seriously has so many neo-Nazis? Actually?
Neo-Nazi: Get out of France! *Does Nazi salute*
Maghrebi immigrant: Did you just do a Nazi salute?!
Neo-Nazi: Yeah... why?
Maghrebi immigrant: My grandpa didn’t die protecting your country in WWII for you to come here and do a Nazi salute! Matter of fact: You get out of France!