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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:24 am

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Shofercia wrote:Can't say that I like the direction that France be-heading.


Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.
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She never said that, btw. She genuinely tried to help the poor, in fact. The quote was attributed to her out of slander to justify the Revolution.
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She never said that, btw. She genuinely tried to help the poor, in fact. The quote was attributed to her out of slander to justify the Revolution.


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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:30 am

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Because once they achieve a majority, they will push for shariah law. Look at how 'moderate' Islamic nations are gradually losing their freedoms of religion. Malaysia is one that comes to mind.

How Islam progressively takes over countries

http://godreports.com/2015/09/how-islam ... countries/

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

Do you not know how the spread of religion worked-who am I kidding, of course you don’t.


It varied but it was not always peaceful. Yes, Catholics were guilty as well of using violence to spread their faith when they conquered South America, but now most Catholics behave well and don't use terrorism to spread their faith. Even a Muslim cleric encourages using violence to spread the faith:

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/musl ... -the-sword

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”
MAY 27, 2016 11:03 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

“Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax.”

“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

Learned imams including Pope Francis, John Kerry and David Cameron are no doubt already in conversations with Sheikh Shabr, explaining to him how he is a Misunderstander of Islam, the great Religion of Peace. After all, how could he possibly know more about Islam than they do?

“Shiite Cleric Sabah Shabr: Islam Was Spread by the Sword; So What?!,” MEMRI, October 13, 2015:

Iraqi Shiite cleric Sabah Shabr discussed the spread of Islam in a series of lectures about Jihad. Sabah confirmed that most Islamic countries were conquered by force. He said that Muslims should not try to appease the Jews and Christians by denying this and that the “true religion of Allah should be spread by the sword.” Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax. The entire series of lectures was posted on October 13, 2015 on a YouTube account, dedicated to the thinking of Ayatollah Sistani.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:30 am

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Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


I agree, Chechnya should become a free nation, along with all other small nations Russia holds hostage to this day.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:33 am

Dolgo wrote:It's disrespectful to many Muslims to depict Muhammad in pictures. I don't really see why one would want to anyway, aside from intentionally provoking Muslims. I think it is irresponsible to do so, as it would very likely harm fragile relations with the Muslim community.

That being said, being offended doesn't excuse one from committing murder, and offending religious feelings is not enough to warrant decapitation. I recommend France reinstate the death penalty, at the very least for murder. The terrorist (the one who committed the decapitation) should be sentenced to the guillotine, provided they are found guilty in a court of law. France must make it clear that assaults against its secular state will not be tolerated.

As a preventive measure, France should take religious harmony very seriously and enact laws that make it illegal to promote religious disharmony (on either side), similar to what Singapore successfully does. It should also take the threat of Islamic terrorism far more seriously, any ethnic/religious geographic concentration should be broken up and distributed evenly across the population. This will help "dilute" radicalization. At the same time, enact laws that prohibit religions from spreading subversive and anti-government rhetoric, along with any religious group promoting disharmony. Non-citizens promoting disharmony should be deported and anti-social religious organizations should be banned.

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Promote religious disharmony? So what if someone names a Teddy Bear, Muhammad, without understanding the context or any intent to troll?


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Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t think the teacher did anything wrong considering he explicitly told Muslim students to leave the room if it was going to make them feel uncomfortable.


That might have caused even more offense, though clearly the intent was to be less offensive.

Now I'm going to flame you in such a foul and personal way that it will make you literally cry. How could I even know those personal things about you? You won't just want me warned, you'll want my post removed. But if it's going to make you feel uncomfortable then don't open the spoiler:



I take it that you're in charge of the French Government's policy :P


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Albrenia wrote:Jesus. I hope the person or people who did it are caught and put away for the rest of their pathetic lives.

You don't get to kill someone for offending your religion.


The guy was shot and killed by police. Says so in the first sentence.


Sadly not a single cop was named Aaron Burr.


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Shofercia wrote:Can't say that I like the direction that France be-heading.


Booooo. Get off the stage!


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Shofercia wrote:Can't say that I like the direction that France be-heading.


Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Nope. Chechens are free to move into Chechnya and out of Chechnya. The extreme majority don't commit terrorist acts. Dzhokar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan, and then lived most of his life in the US. Khattab was born in Saudi Arabia and was already radicalized when he came to Chechnya. Furthermore, Kadyrov's version of Islam frowns upon unarmed people being murdered over a single offense, and even if the teacher was holding a book or pen, I wouldn't call him armed.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:35 am

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If he was born in France and hates non-Muslims, he can easily move to a country where his beliefs are respected and blasphemy laws will condemn those who insult Muhammad. Besides, the suspect is believed to have been born in Moscow. However, I doubt his beliefs would fit in in Russia either.


I always considered "if you do not like it here, leave" to be a cowardly and silly attitude. One should improve, not run away.


He ran away from Russia. Also, why does he force his views on others? Do you think he did the right thing by killing that teacher who dared to show a photo (gasp!!!)? I guess in his eyes he did by fighting to spread his faith instead of simply moving to a place where his hatred ifs encouraged. However, French people also need to fight to protect their nation from barbarians like him.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:38 am

Just a difference in culture. There, if you criticize Islam in his country, you get beheaded. How dare you guys imply that his nation's culture is inferior to French culture; that's racist.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:38 am

Insaanistan wrote:
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Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


To be honest,Chechnya seems to be a rather awful, brutalized place both in the Russian context (what with them keeping an mafia-esque psycho in power) and outside of it, if the mentality of a large part of the Chechen diaspora in France is anything to go by. This isn't the first time in recent memory that a Chechen immigrant in France made negative headlines - there was also the gang war shoot-out in Dijon a couple of weeks ago.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:39 am

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Because once they achieve a majority, they will push for shariah law. Look at how 'moderate' Islamic nations are gradually losing their freedoms of religion. Malaysia is one that comes to mind.

How Islam progressively takes over countries

http://godreports.com/2015/09/how-islam ... countries/

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%


According to sharīa itself, non-Muslims are not subject to follow it. There is one story of how in one Caliphate, a Christian and Muslim were caught drinking. They put the Muslim and jail and let the Christian go. Why? Christians are allowed to drink.


This is also wrong because in many countries there is a 'gotcha law' that bans Muslims from changing their faith. Islam sounds good to people and they convert without doing enough research. Then, they might think 'wow, I can't believe I chose to join a religion that restricts my freedom so much' and they want to change. However, if they change, they go to jail or get the death penalty. Gotcha, once you go Islam, you can never go back! Shariah law means that Muslims are stuck in a faith they may not want to stay in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_ ... udi_Arabia
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:40 am

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Kowani wrote:Do you not know how the spread of religion worked-who am I kidding, of course you don’t.


It varied but it was not always peaceful. Yes, Catholics were guilty as well of using violence to spread their faith when they conquered South America, but now most Catholics behave well and don't use terrorism to spread their faith. Even a Muslim cleric encourages using violence to spread the faith:

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/musl ... -the-sword

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”
MAY 27, 2016 11:03 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

“Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax.”

“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

Learned imams including Pope Francis, John Kerry and David Cameron are no doubt already in conversations with Sheikh Shabr, explaining to him how he is a Misunderstander of Islam, the great Religion of Peace. After all, how could he possibly know more about Islam than they do?

“Shiite Cleric Sabah Shabr: Islam Was Spread by the Sword; So What?!,” MEMRI, October 13, 2015:

Iraqi Shiite cleric Sabah Shabr discussed the spread of Islam in a series of lectures about Jihad. Sabah confirmed that most Islamic countries were conquered by force. He said that Muslims should not try to appease the Jews and Christians by denying this and that the “true religion of Allah should be spread by the sword.” Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax. The entire series of lectures was posted on October 13, 2015 on a YouTube account, dedicated to the thinking of Ayatollah Sistani.

Jihadwatch and Memri are not considered respectable sources by -anyone-

But anyway, historically speaking, there were 2 large methods of spread. The sword (in the ME), and by missionaries and social pressure (everywhere else). (And the latter is also very prevalent in the ME as well).
Anyway...no, the overwhelming majority of modern Muslims reject violence in order to spread Islam.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:43 am

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In a perfect world, people would chillax and have a sense of humour, but we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world with a great deal of religious diversity. Some of which includes religious extremists. Unless you're going to exclude it from France (hard to do without excluding a bunch of people who are not extremists), the nation must adapt. If it doesn't, then it must accept the state of disharmony as a consequence for permitting laissez faire communication on religious topics.

You can't have your cake (have the freedom) and eat it (have the harmony) too. Unfortunate as it is, that is the reality. Like I said, either you accept the status quo, enact restrictions on speech to ensure religious harmony, or exclude Muslims from French society. Neither option is ideal, but the second is the least worst. You can have order, at the very small price (in my view) of not publishing in the media egregiously offensive material that harms religious harmony.

Singapore faced severe rioting in its early past, the only way the government put a stop to that was restricting how people can communicate to one another. There is no other way.


Advertisements showing alcohol and women in bikinis will also be very offensive to Muslims. These will also need to be banned to ensure 'harmony.' Next, alcohol and pork will need to be banned to ensure 'harmony.' Extremists will not be happy until the nation is 100% their particular Islamic faith. Do not negotiate with these terrorists. In their eyes they will win. If you cater to their demands, they please Allah. If they die while spreading their faith, they will please Allah and go to Paradise. Better to tell them that if they don't like it, they can move out. Why should true French people (whose families have been in France for over 200 years) have to change to please immigrants and the children/grandchildren of immigrants?


We don’t find them offensive. We just think it’s stupid you guys have sexualized and objectified women that you feel a need to put a half-naked one on a commercial to sell a car. We also think it’s stupid you guys will drink alcohol which has way more fatal negatives than possible positives. You’re the one complaining about Muslims in the West. If you don’t like it, move to Slovenia, where Muslims barely have rights. Muslims aren’t out to colonize the world. In fact, people like you are he many people became Muslim: they became curious about Islam after hearing so much bigotry. Muslims are just trying to scrape by, and living in a country where people have different customs and values makes it a lot harder. We just want to be good Muslims, and in turn, good people. You know what jihad means? Nope, not holy war, it means struggle. The one jihad required of Muslims every day of our lives is the jihad to be a good person.

And by the way, notice that most victims of ISIS and other “Islamists” are Muslim. And that the most widespread and dangerous terrorism there is is actually white supremacist terrorism. And finally, notice that in the War on Terror, in every country, the US is aided by local troops and/or volunteers, nearly all of whom are MUSLIM.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:43 am

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*Louis XVI cries in the background*

*sad Marie noises*


I'm sorry that you guys feel sad, would you like some cake?


Insaanistan wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:
Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


Considering that terrorism dropped significantly after Russia took control of Chechnya, and that Chechens have freedom of movement, and most have yet to commit acts of terror, we're talking about the extreme majority here, that statement makes no sense whatsoever. Over 200,000 Chechens live outside of Chechnya, and yet, no terrorist acts. The most atrocious terrorist in the Chechen Wars was Ibn Al Khattab, born in Saudi Arabia. Terrorism in Russia starting in 2014:

On 3 April 2017, a terrorist attack using an explosive device took place on the Saint Petersburg Metro... The suspected perpetrator was named as Akbarzhon Jalilov, a Russian citizen who was an ethnic Uzbek born in Kyrgyzstan.


2015: ISIS in Egypt doing the terrorism; they made good target practice for SpetzNaz

2014: yep, to find an incident involving a Chechen, we had to back several years. Opti Muradov attempted to take out Kadyrov; instead took five innocent cops and forever humiliated his family name. There was also another attack against cops, and the perpetrators were promptly dispatched, but the cops also suffered casualties.

That's according to wiki. Does it seem prevalent to anyone here?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:43 am

Insaanistan wrote:
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Doesn't Russia hold hostage an entire nation where Islamism thrives (Chechnya)?


Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:46 am

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It varied but it was not always peaceful. Yes, Catholics were guilty as well of using violence to spread their faith when they conquered South America, but now most Catholics behave well and don't use terrorism to spread their faith. Even a Muslim cleric encourages using violence to spread the faith:

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/musl ... -the-sword

Muslim cleric: “Islam was spread by the sword…Allah’s true religion should be spread by the sword”
MAY 27, 2016 11:03 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

“Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax.”

“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

Learned imams including Pope Francis, John Kerry and David Cameron are no doubt already in conversations with Sheikh Shabr, explaining to him how he is a Misunderstander of Islam, the great Religion of Peace. After all, how could he possibly know more about Islam than they do?

“Shiite Cleric Sabah Shabr: Islam Was Spread by the Sword; So What?!,” MEMRI, October 13, 2015:

Iraqi Shiite cleric Sabah Shabr discussed the spread of Islam in a series of lectures about Jihad. Sabah confirmed that most Islamic countries were conquered by force. He said that Muslims should not try to appease the Jews and Christians by denying this and that the “true religion of Allah should be spread by the sword.” Sheikh Shabr added that when Muslims conquer the country of infidels, they should give the locals the opportunity to convert to Islam or kill them. If the locals are from among the People of the Book, i.e., Jews or Christians, they should have the third option of paying the jizya poll tax. The entire series of lectures was posted on October 13, 2015 on a YouTube account, dedicated to the thinking of Ayatollah Sistani.

Jihadwatch and Memri are not considered respectable sources by -anyone-

But anyway, historically speaking, there were 2 large methods of spread. The sword (in the ME), and by missionaries and social pressure (everywhere else). (And the latter is also very prevalent in the ME as well).
Anyway...no, the overwhelming majority of modern Muslims reject violence in order to spread Islam.


The website is biased but the reports are real. The website selects specific news stories that many other websites are scared to report. Are you saying that the report is false? The cleric didn't say such words?
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:47 am

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Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


I agree, Chechnya should become a free nation, along with all other small nations Russia holds hostage to this day.


Chechnya had freedom, and promptly invaded Dagestan, a part of Russia. Didn't work out. And what small nations does Russia hold hostage? Have you actual polling results, or are you just using anecdotal evidence to talk out of your ass in yet another attempt at "Russia bad" to drive this thread off topic, Ocelot? If Russia annihilated ISIS Worldwide, you and Insaanistan would be talking about how mean that action was, and how not all of ISIS were the bad guys. If Russia cured cancer, you'd find something nefarious about that too.
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Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.


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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:47 am

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According to sharīa itself, non-Muslims are not subject to follow it. There is one story of how in one Caliphate, a Christian and Muslim were caught drinking. They put the Muslim and jail and let the Christian go. Why? Christians are allowed to drink.


This is also wrong because in many countries there is a 'gotcha law' that bans Muslims from changing their faith. Islam sounds good to people and they convert without doing enough research. Then, they might think 'wow, I can't believe I chose to join a religion that restricts my freedom so much' and they want to change. However, if they change, they go to jail or get the death penalty. Gotcha, once you go Islam, you can never go back! Shariah law means that Muslims are stuck in a faith they may not want to stay in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_ ... udi_Arabia


Actually, Islam literally has no worldly punishment for apostasy. The idea is that apostates will be judged by God, not people. And by the way, research rather than “random Islamophobes on the internet” is actually one of the main ways people become Muslims, such as one Dutch politician who converted to Islam while researching it to write a book against it.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:48 am

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Kowani wrote:Jihadwatch and Memri are not considered respectable sources by -anyone-

But anyway, historically speaking, there were 2 large methods of spread. The sword (in the ME), and by missionaries and social pressure (everywhere else). (And the latter is also very prevalent in the ME as well).
Anyway...no, the overwhelming majority of modern Muslims reject violence in order to spread Islam.


The website is biased but the reports are real. The website selects specific news stories that many other websites are scared to report. Are you saying that the report is false? The cleric didn't say such words?

A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
Insaanistan wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
This is also wrong because in many countries there is a 'gotcha law' that bans Muslims from changing their faith. Islam sounds good to people and they convert without doing enough research. Then, they might think 'wow, I can't believe I chose to join a religion that restricts my freedom so much' and they want to change. However, if they change, they go to jail or get the death penalty. Gotcha, once you go Islam, you can never go back! Shariah law means that Muslims are stuck in a faith they may not want to stay in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_ ... udi_Arabia


Actually, Islam literally has no worldly punishment for apostasy. The idea is that apostates will be judged by God, not people. And by the way, research rather than “random Islamophobes on the internet” is actually one of the main ways people become Muslims, such as one Dutch politician who converted to Islam while researching it to write a book against it.

Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:49 am

Whitemore wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.


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Aaaaaaaand this is when I completely lose respect for people.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:50 am

Kowani wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
The website is biased but the reports are real. The website selects specific news stories that many other websites are scared to report. Are you saying that the report is false? The cleric didn't say such words?

A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
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Actually, Islam literally has no worldly punishment for apostasy. The idea is that apostates will be judged by God, not people. And by the way, research rather than “random Islamophobes on the internet” is actually one of the main ways people become Muslims, such as one Dutch politician who converted to Islam while researching it to write a book against it.

Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim


I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:52 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.

“Islam is too violent, so let’s institute labor camps”
And people wonder why we say the right had been infiltrated by fascism

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Kowani wrote:A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim


I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.

My best friend is literally a Bangladeshi Muslim-

But also, that doesn’t disprove my point
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:52 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Russia holding Chechnya hostage is one of the main reasons terrorists are so prevalent there. If you hold a people hostage and limit their freedom and erode their culture, they’re more susceptible to terrorists.


One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.


If by "keeping in line" you mean "random ethnic cleansing, deportation and systematic mass terror, completely unrelated to wether or not the victims in question have even done anything", sure. The reason islamic terrorism in Chechnya wasn't a thing during Stalin's time was that it wasn't a thing anywhere.
Besides, allow me the to note the irony of praising the "anti-terrorist" measures of a man who was both a literal terrorist in his youth himself and who was the architect of a policy that went down in history as the Great Terror.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:56 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Kowani wrote:A question: have you heard of cherry-picking
Dude every country that has the death penalty for apostasy is muslim


I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.


Disapprove? That's rather soft language there for the perpetrators of the Yemeni Civil War, but hey, wouldn't want to offend anyone, would you? Meanwhile: https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/yemen-emergency.html

A humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding in Yemen, as millions flee their homes to escape a devastating conflict... Civilians bear the brunt of the crisis, with 22.2 million Yemenis now in need of humanitarian assistance. Those forced to flee their homes are especially at risk. 2 million people now languish in desperate conditions, away from home and deprived of basic needs. The situation is so dire that almost 1 million displaced Yemenis have lost hope and tried to return home, even though it is not yet safe. Yemen is facing a humanitarian catastrophe. Without help, many more lives will be lost to violence, treatable illnesses or lack of food, water and shelter.


I think that water's kind of vital to survival, am I wrong? "Disapprove" - I don't even use language that mild when discussing California's looming economic crisis. Disapprove is something I'd say to someone booing me for yet another joke, rather than someone trying to perpetrate the World's biggest humanitarian crisis that's still occurring.
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Postby Insaanistan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:57 am

Kowani wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
One thing about Stalin is that he kept terrorists in line. Chechnya wasn't revolting so much under his regime because the people knew that he would not play games with them. You have to use an iron fist to deal with people trying to force their religion on others. Perhaps labor camps are what is needed to deal with the troublemakers there. If you give certain people an inch, they try to take a mile.

“Islam is too violent, so let’s institute labor camps”
And people wonder why we say the right had been infiltrated by fascism

Insaanistan wrote:
I’m aware. Do you guys have Muslim friends? If so, you’ll realize most of isn’t disapprove of most of the leaders of Muslim countries. There are reasons for that.

My best friend is literally a Bangladeshi Muslim-

But also, that doesn’t disprove my point


I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just saying we don’t like that that is a law. Also, cool. Bengalis are lit!
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