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Postby Aureumterra III » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:45 pm

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PARIS (AP) — For the second time in three weeks, terror struck France, this time with the gruesome beheading of a history teacher in a street in a Paris suburb. The suspected attacker was shot and killed by police.

French President Emmanuel Macron denounced what he called an “Islamist terrorist attack” and urged the nation to stand united against extremism. The teacher had discussed caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad with his class, authorities said.

The French anti-terrorism prosecutor opened an investigation for murder with a suspected terrorist motive. Four people, one a minor, were detained hours later, the office of anti-terror prosecutor Jean-Francois Ricard said without elaborating. Police typically fan out to find family and friends of potential suspects in terror cases.

Macron visited the school where the teacher worked in the town of Conflans-Saint-Honorine and met with staff after the slaying. An Associated Press reporter saw three ambulances at the scene, and heavily armed police surrounding the area and police vans lining leafy nearby streets.

“One of our compatriots was murdered today because he taught ... the freedom of expression, the freedom to believe or not believe,” Macron said.

He said the attack shouldn’t divide France because that’s what the extremists want. “We must stand all together as citizens,” he said.

The incident came as Macron’s government works on a bill to address Islamist radicals who authorities claim are creating a parallel society outside the values of the French Republic. France has the largest Muslim population in Western Europe with up to 5 million members, and Islam is the country’s No. 2 religion.

A police official said the suspect, armed with a knife and an airsoft gun — which fires plastic pellets — was shot dead about 600 meters (yards) from where the male teacher was killed after he failed to respond to orders to put down his arms, and acted in a threatening manner.

The teacher had received threats after opening a discussion “for a debate” about the caricatures about 10 days ago, the police official told The Associated Press. The parent of a student had filed a complaint against the teacher, another police official said, adding that the suspected killer did not have a child at the school.

An ID card was found at the scene but police were verifying the identity, the police official said. French media reported that the suspect was an 18-year-old Chechen, born in Moscow. That information could not be immediately confirmed.

France has seen occasional violence involving its Chechen community in recent months, in the Dijon region, the Mediterranean city of Nice, and the western town of Saint-Dizier, believed linked to local criminal activity.

It was not known what link, if any, the attacker might have with the teacher or whether he had accomplices. Police were fanning out on searches of homes and potential family and friends of the man in question, the police official said.

The two officials could not be named because they were not authorized to discuss ongoing investigations.

“We didn’t see this coming,” Conflans resident Remi Tell, who as a child had attended the Bois D’Aulne middle school, said on CNews TV station. He described the town as peaceful.

It was the second terrorism-related incident since the opening of an ongoing trial for the January 2015 newsroom massacre at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, which had published caricatures of the prophet of Islam.

As the trial started, the paper republished caricatures of the prophet to underscore the right of freedom of expression. Quickly, a young man from Pakistan was arrested after stabbing two people with a meat cleaver outside the newspaper’s former offices. They did not suffer threatening injuries.The 18-year-old told police he was upset about the publication of the caricatures.

In a video posted recently on social media, a man describing himself as a father at the school said the teacher who was slain had recently shown an offensive image of a man and told students it was “the prophet of the Muslims.” Before showing the images, the teacher asked Muslim children to leave the room because he planned to show something shocking, the man said.

“What was the message he wanted to send these children? ... Why does a history teacher behave this way in front of 13-year-olds?” the man asked. He called on other angry parents to contact him, and relay the message.


Not much to add, was the teacher wrong in showing the pictures of Muhammad?

I have no words… it’s sad that the country of Napoleon and De Gaulle has come to this. France is the country that pioneered the concept of liberalism, religious freedom, and secularism, but radical Muslims seek to undermine the Republic’s values. I don’t think the teacher did anything wrong considering he explicitly told Muslim students to leave the room if it was going to make them feel uncomfortable. What’s even worse is that the usual suspects are defending this.

The attacks began when the left wing satirical atheist magazine Charlie Hebdo published caricatures of Muhammad, this is the third attack in three weeks, but this one is arguably the most brutal one.


EDIT: Yet another beheading…
https://apnews.com/article/france-terro ... 0b8188f8ab
PARIS (AP) — An attacker armed with a knife killed three people inside a church Thursday in the Mediterranean city of Nice, prompting the government to raise its security alert status to the highest level and double the number of soldiers deployed in the country.

It was the third attack in two months in France that authorities have attributed to Muslim extremists, including the beheading of a teacher. It comes during a growing furor over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that were republished by the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo — renewing vociferous debate in France and the Muslim world over the depictions that Muslims consider offensive but are protected by French free speech laws.

Other confrontations and attacks were reported Thursday in the southern French city of Avignon and in the Saudi city of Jiddah, but it was not immediately clear if they were linked to the attack in Nice.

French President Emmanuel Macron said he would immediately increase the number of soldiers deployed to protect schools and religious sites from around 3,000 currently to 7,000. French churches have been ferociously attacked by extremists in recent years, and Thursday’s killings come ahead of the Roman Catholic All Saints’ holiday.

“He cried ‘Allah Akbar!’ over and over, even after he was injured,” said Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi, who said a woman and a man died inside the church, while a second woman fled to a nearby bar but was mortally wounded. “The meaning of his gesture left no doubt.”

The assailant in Nice was wounded by police and hospitalized after the killings at the Notre Dame Basilica, less than a kilometer (half-mile) from the site in 2016 where another attacker plowed a truck into a Bastille Day crowd, killing dozens of people.

Shots punctuated the air and witnesses screamed as police stationed at the grandiose doors to the church appeared to fire at the attacker inside, according to videos obtained by The Associated Press. Hours later, AP reporters at the scene saw emergency vehicles and police tape lining the wide Notre Dame Avenue leading toward the plaza in front of the basilica. For a time after the attack, sounds of explosions could be heard as sappers exploded suspicious objects.

France’s anti-terrorism prosecutor’s office opened an investigation into the attack, the third one since a trial opened in September for people linked to the 2015 attacks at Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket by gunmen who claimed allegiance to the Islamic State group and al-Qaida. The trial is nearing its end, with a verdict planned for Nov. 13, the fifth anniversary of another series of deadly Islamic State attacks in Paris.

Thursday’s attacker was believed to be acting alone and police are not searching for other assailants, said two police officials, who were not authorized to be publicly named.

“With the attack against (teacher) Samual Paty, it was freedom of speech that was targeted. With this attack in Nice, it is freedom of religion,” Prime Minister Jean Castex told lawmakers Thursday.

Earlier, the lower house of parliament suspended a debate on France’s new virus restrictions and held a moment of silence for the victims. Castex rushed from the hall to a crisis center overseeing the aftermath of the Nice attack and later returned to announce the alert level increase. French President Emmanuel Macron, who has defended Charlie Hebdo’s right to publish the caricatures, arrived in Nice later in the day.

Muslims have held protests in several countries and called for a boycott of French goods in response to France’s stance on caricatures of Islam’s most revered prophet, whose birthday was marked in several countries Thursday. Soon before Thursday’s attack, supporters of religious political party Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam protested in Pakistan against Macron.

In Avignon on Thursday morning, an armed man was shot to death by police after he refused to drop his weapon and a flash-ball shot failed to stop him, one police official said. And a Saudi state-run news agency said a man stabbed a guard at the French consulate in Jiddah, wounding the guard before he was arrested.

Islamic State extremists had issued a video on Wednesday renewing calls for attacks against France.

Many groups and nations, however, issued their condolences Thursday, standing firmly with France.

The French Council of the Muslim Faith condemned the Nice attack and called on French Muslims to refrain from festivities this week marking the birth of Muhammad “as a sign of mourning and in solidarity with the victims and their loved ones.”

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry strongly condemned the attack in Nice. “We stand in solidarity with the people of France against terror and violence,” the statement said.

Relations between Turkey and France hit a new low after Turkey’s president on Saturday accused Macron of Islamophobia over the caricatures and questioned his mental health, prompting Paris to recall its ambassador to Turkey for consultations.

The attack in Nice came less than two weeks after another assailant beheaded a French middle school teacher who showed the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad for a class on free speech. Those caricatures were published by Charlie Hebdo and cited by the men who gunned down the newspaper’s editorial meeting in 2015.

In September, a man who had sought asylum in France attacked bystanders outside Charlie Hebdo’s former offices with a butcher knife.

French Roman Catholic sites have been ferociously and repeatedly targeted by extremists in recent years, including the killing of the Rev. Jaqcues Hamel, who had his throat slit while celebrating Mass in his Normandy church by Islamic militants and a plot to bomb Paris’ Notre Dame cathedral. Those attacks were claimed by the Islamic State group, which also is believed to have recruited a man now on trial who plotted unsuccessfully to attack a church on the outskirts of Paris.

Nice’s 19th-century basilica Notre Dame de l’Assomption is the largest church in the city, but smaller and newer than the cathedral 1 mile (2 kilometers) away. The basilica’s twin neogothic towers, standing 70 yards (65 meters) high, are a landmark feature in the heart of the city.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:51 pm

They're more mad about a picture of Mohammed being shown than they are that a man was murdered in cold blood. Some of the parents at that school are clearly fucked in the head if they take more offense to drawings than to an actual killing by some psycho with a machete.

Charlie Hebdo, you better get the Mohammed cartoons going again. I know some may say its time to call for calm, but it needs to be made clear that France doesn't need to change just cause some religious weirdos think their religion is the truth and everyone else in a country they moved to has to follow it.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:55 pm

Yeah this is the single worst aspect present in the general Muslim community: cultist overzealousy against any kind of """"blasphemy"""". Throughout 2016-2017, I was bored listening to the constant, murderous, holocaustic tirades espoused by almost all mosque imams, school teachers, and community leaders against the Chinese-Christian Jakarta governor candidate, Ahok, after he was accused of blasphemy. The case, which has literally no benefit whatsoever but appeasing the childish and pathetic ego of the consevative Muslims in the population (which is like 30-40%), arguably destroyed Indonesia's history of pluralism and send us to the path of dangerous polarization.

Obviously, this is far worse. The teacher is killed because he did his job: teaching. Violent radicalism has no place in secular France, and shouldn't have any place anywhere in the planet.
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Postby Anglo-Francia » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:08 pm

I'm a Muslim, and I think the way this teacher was treated was way, way too extreme. Of course, being a Muslim, I'm against depictions of Prophet Muhammad being produced, but I'm not going to judge you if you do it (as long as it's respectful and not demeaning) since it's your choice. I'm not going to decapitate you over it.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:10 pm

Looks like we need to ramp up the War on Domestic Terror.
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Postby Rebel Fardelshufflestein » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:12 pm

I feel like Muslims are starting to make France part of their own. Not in Government, but in Culture. Of course, they have the right, which I respect, but, like everyone, I don't like the Fact VERY FEW, not all, are not reminding themselves this isn't North Africa or Syria, it's France.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:13 pm

People who use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities generally try to be as dramatic about it as possible. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, 9/11, and for what?
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:18 pm

Cordel One wrote:People who use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities generally try to be as dramatic about it as possible. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, 9/11, and for what?

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:18 pm

Oh, the big bad 18-year-old could take on a teacher, but once the police were on him, the coward pulled a suicide-by-cop with an airsoft gun. Terrorists are only strong preying on the weak.
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Postby Dolgo » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:20 pm

It's disrespectful to many Muslims to depict Muhammad in pictures. I don't really see why one would want to anyway, aside from intentionally provoking Muslims. I think it is irresponsible to do so, as it would very likely harm fragile relations with the Muslim community.

That being said, being offended doesn't excuse one from committing murder, and offending religious feelings is not enough to warrant decapitation. I recommend France reinstate the death penalty, at the very least for murder. The terrorist (the one who committed the decapitation) should be sentenced to the guillotine, provided they are found guilty in a court of law. France must make it clear that assaults against its secular state will not be tolerated.

As a preventive measure, France should take religious harmony very seriously and enact laws that make it illegal to promote religious disharmony (on either side), similar to what Singapore successfully does. It should also take the threat of Islamic terrorism far more seriously, any ethnic/religious geographic concentration should be broken up and distributed evenly across the population. This will help "dilute" radicalization. At the same time, enact laws that prohibit religions from spreading subversive and anti-government rhetoric, along with any religious group promoting disharmony. Non-citizens promoting disharmony should be deported and anti-social religious organizations should be banned.

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Postby Rusozak » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:21 pm

What I want to know is how an attacker was able to decapitate someone in a suburban street. It sounds time consuming if he wasn't a master ninja or had a freaking battle axe or something.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 pm

Dolgo wrote:It's disrespectful to many Muslims to depict Muhammad in pictures. I don't really see why one would want to anyway, aside from intentionally provoking Muslims. I think it is irresponsible to do so, as it would very likely harm fragile relations with the Muslim community.

That being said, being offended doesn't excuse one from committing murder, and offending religious feelings is not enough to warrant decapitation. I recommend France reinstate the death penalty, at the very least for murder. The terrorist (the one who committed the decapitation) should be sentenced to the guillotine, provided they are found guilty in a court of law. France must make it clear that assaults against its secular state will not be tolerated.

As a preventive measure, France should take religious harmony very seriously and enact laws that make it illegal to promote religious disharmony (on either side), similar to what Singapore successfully does. It should also take the threat of Islamic terrorism far more seriously, any ethnic/religious geographic concentration should be broken up and distributed evenly across the population. This will help "dilute" radicalization. At the same time, enact laws that prohibit religions from spreading subversive and anti-government rhetoric, along with any religious group promoting disharmony. Non-citizens promoting disharmony should be deported and anti-social religious organizations should be banned.

Vive la France!

Thing is, France's many Religions have things some do not want. So combining Law with Religion, especially in France, is a very bad move. Sure, the Arabians can do it, but because they ONLY have one religion.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:25 pm

Rusozak wrote:What I want to know is how an attacker was able to decapitate someone in a suburban street. It sounds time consuming if he wasn't a master ninja or had a freaking battle axe or something.

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:25 pm

Dolgo wrote:It's disrespectful to many Muslims to depict Muhammad in pictures. I don't really see why one would want to anyway, aside from intentionally provoking Muslims. I think it is irresponsible to do so, as it would very likely harm fragile relations with the Muslim community.

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As a preventive measure, France should take religious harmony very seriously and enact laws that make it illegal to promote religious disharmony (on either side), similar to what Singapore successfully does.
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That, however, would mean the alteration of the very foundation of the modern French nation. There's a reason why blasphemy against Christianity, etc. isn't punished in France. Religion, all religion, conform to the nation and not the other way around. I mean, if they want to do it, sure, but I don't think they will.
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Postby The Giant Space Wyrm » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:26 pm

The man asked students that identified with the Muslim faith to step outside knowing it would offend them to show such imagery, I don't feel any disharmony taking place.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:28 pm

The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:The man asked students that identified with the Muslim faith to step outside knowing it would offend them to show such imagery, I don't feel any disharmony taking place.

Well, that still didn't work, did it? One kid told the Parents what happened, the Parents told other Parents, one of those Parents filed a Complaint that spread the news that made it's way to a Religious Extremist who decided to take matters in his own, cowardly hands.
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:29 pm

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The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:The man asked students that identified with the Muslim faith to step outside knowing it would offend them to show such imagery, I don't feel any disharmony taking place.

Well, that still didn't work, did it? One kid told the Parents what happened, the Parents told other Parents, one of those Parents filed a Complaint that spread the news that made it's way to a Religious Extremist who decided to take matters in his own, cowardly hands.

Aslo, not trying to cause argument.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:29 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t think the teacher did anything wrong considering he explicitly told Muslim students to leave the room if it was going to make them feel uncomfortable.


That might have caused even more offense, though clearly the intent was to be less offensive.

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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:32 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:I don’t think the teacher did anything wrong considering he explicitly told Muslim students to leave the room if it was going to make them feel uncomfortable.


That might have caused even more offense, though clearly the intent was to be less offensive.

Now I'm going to flame you in such a foul and personal way that it will make you literally cry. How could I even know those personal things about you? You won't just want me warned, you'll want my post removed. But if it's going to make you feel uncomfortable then don't open the spoiler:


*Cries.*
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Postby Picairn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Now I'm going to flame you in such a foul and personal way that it will make you literally cry. How could I even know those personal things about you? You won't just want me warned, you'll want my post removed. But if it's going to make you feel uncomfortable then don't open the spoiler:


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm

The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:The man asked students that identified with the Muslim faith to step outside knowing it would offend them to show such imagery, I don't feel any disharmony taking place.


Physically separating some kids from their class, does not feel like 'disharmony' to you?

Bear in mind that sending kids out while the class goes on is usually a punishment for disrupting the class. It's not always effective as a punishment: I knew one kid who didn't just prefer a desk in the corridor outside the Principal's office, he was quite happy studying that way though he could never concentrate in class. But even if banishment is NOT effective as a punishment, it's still effective to reduce chaos in the classroom. These kids were treated like a disruptive element and that may have caused offense even to those who don't care either way about pictures of Muhammed.
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 pm

Jesus. I hope the person or people who did it are caught and put away for the rest of their pathetic lives.

You don't get to kill someone for offending your religion. I don't care if they wiped their ass on a holy text, just get them fired for that sort of thing, you don't get to hurt people over it.
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