The Worst President in US History? 「Yes or No?」

[Kiu Ghesik]

Through his inaction, he set in motion every major event in world history past 1915. This is not hyperbole.

You are making hyperbole, though.

Maybe not?
Treaty of Versailles > Roaring 20's > Depression > Hitler > WW2 > Cold War > Terrorism > Cold War Collapse & TEAM AMERICA > Middle Eastern conflicts > Where we are now.
It's a stretch, but.

[Atheris]

Through his inaction, he caused the Russian Revolution, the most influential event of the 20th century and the 21st century, changing the lives of billions.

Through his inaction, he caused the Nazis to come to power.

Through his actions, he set back American civil rights by decades.

Through his inaction, he set in motion every major event in world history past 1915. This is not hyperbole.

What the heck could he have done to prevent any of that?

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Oh, and not desegregate the federal government, join the KKK, or promote lost cause (lack of) "thought".

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What the heck could he have done to prevent any of that?

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Did Congress approve though?

[Sanghyeok]

You are making hyperbole, though.

Maybe not?
Treaty of Versailles > Roaring 20's > Depression > Hitler > WW2 > Cold War > Terrorism > Cold War Collapse & TEAM AMERICA > Middle Eastern conflicts > Where we are now.
It's a stretch, but.

It would happen either way, I think. Also, if I am not wrong, it was he who wanted to have the US have less harsh terms on Treaty of Versailles.

[San Lumen]

What the heck could he have done to prevent any of that?

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Oh, and not desegregate the federal government, join the KKK, or promote lost cause (lack of) "thought".

What would entering earlier have done to prevent the Nazis from coming to power? Since when was Wilson a KKK member?

[Atheris]

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Did Congress approve though?

They probably would've. After the Lusitania was sunk, US public and governmental opinion became heavily anti-German and this would've been fueled by Teddy Roosevelt if he won the Republican nomination and subsequently the Presidency (which he totally would've if he won the Republican nomination in 1912).

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Oh, and not desegregate the federal government, join the KKK, or promote lost cause (lack of) "thought".

What would entering earlier have done to prevent the Nazis from coming to power? Since when was Wilson a KKK member?

Entering earlier would've meant a sooner end to the war; probably around late 1916 to early 1917. This would prevent the Russian (October) Revolution, which would prevent the Red Scare, which would take away a massive portion of the Nazi's base, which would take away Nazi rule in Germany (most likely), which would take away the Holocaust, which would take away WW2, which would take away the Cold War, which would take away modern conflicts in the Middle East...

Also, we wouldn't have Wilsonian interventionism, which we have today.

Wilson wasn't literally in the KKK, but he helped the fostering of the second Klan and openly called black people a "violent and inferior race" and supported lost cause lunatics to the point of actively supporting the CSA using his job as a "historian" to cover his bases.

[Sanghyeok]

Enter WW1 in 1915 after the Lusitania was sunk.

Oh, and not desegregate the federal government, join the KKK, or promote lost cause (lack of) "thought".

What would entering earlier have done to prevent the Nazis from coming to power? Since when was Wilson a KKK member?

He wasn't a KKK member, but he was extremely racist and promoted racist ideology in favour of white supremacy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Did Congress approve though?

They probably would've. After the Lusitania was sunk, US public and governmental opinion became heavily anti-German and this would've been fueled by Teddy Roosevelt if he won the Republican nomination and subsequently the Presidency (which he totally would've if he won the Republican nomination in 1912).

Because I know that your POTUS can wish to go to war but there’s jackshit he can do if Congress doesn’t allow it.

[San Lumen]

Did Congress approve though?

They probably would've. After the Lusitania was sunk, US public and governmental opinion became heavily anti-German and this would've been fueled by Teddy Roosevelt if he won the Republican nomination and subsequently the Presidency (which he totally would've if he won the Republican nomination in 1912).

The party denied him the nomination at the convention. He ran third party in 1912 to defeat Taft because he was so angry at this treatment at the convention. Though if Roosevelt hadn't ran Taft would have probably still lost as he was quite unpopular.

[Sanghyeok]

Did Congress approve though?

They probably would've. After the Lusitania was sunk, US public and governmental opinion became heavily anti-German and this would've been fueled by Teddy Roosevelt if he won the Republican nomination and subsequently the Presidency (which he totally would've if he won the Republican nomination in 1912).

Again, this is another hypothetical, just like what would have happened if he supported the Whites in the Russian Revolution.

I am not excusing Wilson by any means, especially since his overt racism and terrible morals make him unfit to even run a bakery, never mind being president. But I do not find his actions and results of his actions to be "worst".

[Kiu Ghesik]

Maybe not?
Treaty of Versailles > Roaring 20's > Depression > Hitler > WW2 > Cold War > Terrorism > Cold War Collapse & TEAM AMERICA > Middle Eastern conflicts > Where we are now.
It's a stretch, but.

It would happen either way, I think. Also, if I am not wrong, it was he who wanted to have the US have less harsh terms on Treaty of Versailles.

Yes, thus through inaction- he lacked the political power to keep the French from murdering Germany in the treaty. He wanted the "14 Points" instead.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They probably would've. After the Lusitania was sunk, US public and governmental opinion became heavily anti-German and this would've been fueled by Teddy Roosevelt if he won the Republican nomination and subsequently the Presidency (which he totally would've if he won the Republican nomination in 1912).

The party denied him the nomination at the convention. He ran third party in 1912 to defeat Taft because he was so angry at this treatment at the convention. Though if Roosevelt hadn't ran Taft would have probably still lost as he was quite unpopular.

I think it was even put to Congress and they rejected it.

[San Lumen]

The party denied him the nomination at the convention. He ran third party in 1912 to defeat Taft because he was so angry at this treatment at the convention. Though if Roosevelt hadn't ran Taft would have probably still lost as he was quite unpopular.

I think it was even put to Congress and they rejected it.

I dont think they rejected it but after the sinking Wilson did build up the military. In 1916 Congress passed the National Defense Act of 1916, which established the Reserve Officers' Training Corps and expanded the National Guard. Later in the year, Congress passed the Naval Act of 1916, which provided for a major expansion of the navy.

[Torisakia]

42 (the three exceptions being George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR) out of the 45 there have been are all equally the 'worst'. And, for the foreseeable future, it looks like the 46th will be added on to the 'worst' list.

[Torisakia]

Morally he may be the worst.
But if you look at his actual impact, I think it will be a lot less negative and shorter lasting than other president's.

Again, it's not about what he or others have done - it's the fact that nothing he's done has been a net positive for the country, nor was intended to be. He will be remembered as a failure, yes, as he deserves to be.

Doing nothing is what presidents do, though.

[San Lumen]

42 (the three exceptions being George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR) out of the 45 there have been are all equally the 'worst'. And, for the foreseeable future, it looks like the 46th will be added on to the 'worst' list.

You clearly know nothing about history.

[Harrapanistan]

Pretty much every president after WW2 has been a war criminal.

[Wabberjocky]

trump wins this contest hands down

[Torisakia]

42 (the three exceptions being George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR) out of the 45 there have been are all equally the 'worst'. And, for the foreseeable future, it looks like the 46th will be added on to the 'worst' list.

You clearly know nothing about history.

You're actually right. It's not the presidents who are bad, it's the people who voted them in.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

The American populace?

[San Lumen]

Pretty much every president after WW2 has been a war criminal.

rubbish

You clearly know nothing about history.

You're actually right. It's not the presidents who are bad, it's the people who voted them in.

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Then vote for better people in the primaries if you dont like whose running. Or here's a novel idea go run in a campaign for local office or state legislature.

[New haven america]

Already had this topic 6 months ago:

Best:
-George Washington
-Thomas Jefferson
-Abraham Lincoln
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Franklin Roosevelt
-John Kennedy

Worst:
-Andrew Jackson
-James K. Polk
-Woodrow Wilson
-Richard Nixon
-Gerald Ford
-Ronald Reagan
-George W. Bush
-Donald Trump

[Nooooooooooooooo]

Personally, I don't think Buchanan was the worst in history. There's someone else who might be below him.

[San Lumen]

Personally, I don't think Buchanan was the worst in history. There's someone else who might be below him.

Then who was?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Already had this topic 6 months ago:

Best:
-George Washington
-Thomas Jefferson
-Abraham Lincoln
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Franklin Roosevelt
-John Kennedy

Worst:
-Andrew Jackson
-James K. Polk
-Woodrow Wilson
-Richard Nixon
-Gerald Ford
-Ronald Reagan
-George W. Bush
-Donald Trump

I was going to mention Reagan too, for his mishandling of the AIDS epidemic.