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USS Monitor wrote:You know how if you go around New York, you can see people that don't all look the same, because their ancestry is not all from the same place? I imagine you could do that in ancient Egypt too.

If you look at how the Egyptians depicted themselves in their artwork, they did not show everyone having the same skin color, and there is some variation in the facial features on their sculptures. Some Egyptian sculptures have an African look, but then others are more Mediterranean and you can see how they relate to Greek sculpture. And some are a little of both.

I think a lot of people would benefit from taking a nice long dive into art history, and just looking at how the Egyptians represented themselves.

Bear Stearns wrote:Pretty sure genetic evidence shows they were very similar to Ancient Greeks and Ancient Anatolians.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:Pretty sure genetic evidence shows they were very similar to Ancient Greeks and Ancient Anatolians.

Actually, weren’t indigenous Egyptians more unique and distinct all on their own, rather than being similar to Greeks and Anatolians? At least prior to Greek colonisation.

Aureumterra III wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:
It appears to mostly be with in a certain subsect of African Americans that make this mistake.

African Americans think everyone from Africa is black?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Pythmos wrote:
Disagree: Greece hs had a significant admixture of Asian (Turkish/ Jewish/ Arabic) genes during the Ottoman empire. Back then, there were whole lot more blond and blonde-ish Greeks. Alexander the Great was blonde. Cleo's grandmother was blonde.

We should look for whatever colour the Macedonians USED TO BE 2000 YEARS AGO.

Southern europrans have always been dark due to the climate they live in. The nordic Greeks are a myth.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Actually, weren’t indigenous Egyptians more unique and distinct all on their own, rather than being similar to Greeks and Anatolians? At least prior to Greek colonisation.

Genetically they were close to levantines, and to a lesser extent southern europeans.

Rhozeus wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Southern europrans have always been dark due to the climate they live in. The nordic Greeks are a myth.

Nope: Most Indo-Europeans were blonde, blonde-ish, or even red-haired - and with blue or green eyes. It's only once they start marrying the indigenous southern Europeans (like the Pelasgians, in Greece) or other immigrants (Athens had a sizeable Phoenician bloodline) that they became brown-eyed and black-haired.

As mentioned before in this thread: Alexander the Great was blonde. The one colour picture we have of the man shows a dark blonde young man. The northern Dorians pictured themselves as blonde. Homer mentions fair-haired men (/heroes - pretty much the same to him). Cleopatra's grandmother was a blonde Greek woman.

Where does this need come from to dump all fair-haired people north of the Drava? It certainly isn't historically accurate!

Rhozeus wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Genetically they were close to levantines, and to a lesser extent southern europeans.

The ones in the Delta that is. The ones upstream were closer to the Ancient Berbers.

Greed and Death wrote:

USS Monitor wrote:You know how if you go around New York, you can see people that don't all look the same, because their ancestry is not all from the same place? I imagine you could do that in ancient Egypt too.

If you look at how the Egyptians depicted themselves in their artwork, they did not show everyone having the same skin color, and there is some variation in the facial features on their sculptures. Some Egyptian sculptures have an African look, but then others are more Mediterranean and you can see how they relate to Greek sculpture. And some are a little of both.

I think a lot of people would benefit from taking a nice long dive into art history, and just looking at how the Egyptians represented themselves.

And how do the portraits of Cleopatra portray her ?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Rhozeus wrote:
Nope: Most Indo-Europeans were blonde, blonde-ish, or even red-haired - and with blue or green eyes. It's only once they start marrying the indigenous southern Europeans (like the Pelasgians, in Greece) or other immigrants (Athens had a sizeable Phoenician bloodline) that they became brown-eyed and black-haired.

As mentioned before in this thread: Alexander the Great was blonde. The one colour picture we have of the man shows a dark blonde young man. The northern Dorians pictured themselves as blonde. Homer mentions fair-haired men (/heroes - pretty much the same to him). Cleopatra's grandmother was a blonde Greek woman.

Where does this need come from to dump all fair-haired people north of the Drava? It certainly isn't historically accurate!

I'm sure there were blonde Greeks. There still are blonde Greeks. Most however have always been brunette with olive skin.

If a painting of a blonde youth in ancient Greece means all Greeks were like that, ima assume Jotaro Kujo is a good representative of 17 year old Japanese boys.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Rhozeus wrote:
The ones in the Delta that is. The ones upstream were closer to the Ancient Berbers.

Berbers themselves are close to southern europeans. The sahara for a long time was a major genetic barrier between the Mediterranean coast and the inner regions of Africa.

Heloin wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:And how do the portraits of Cleopatra portray her ?

Rhozeus wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Berbers themselves are close to southern europeans. The sahara for a long time was a major genetic barrier between the Mediterranean coast and the inner regions of Africa.

Then let's conclude that we agree about the genes.

Rhozeus wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Southern europrans have always been dark due to the climate they live in. The nordic Greeks are a myth.

Nope: Most Indo-Europeans were blonde, blonde-ish, or even red-haired - and with blue or green eyes. It's only once they start marrying the indigenous southern Europeans (like the Pelasgians, in Greece) or other immigrants (Athens had a sizeable Phoenician bloodline) that they became brown-eyed and black-haired.

As mentioned before in this thread: Alexander the Great was blonde. The one colour picture we have of the man shows a dark blonde young man. The northern Dorians pictured themselves as blonde. Homer mentions fair-haired men (/heroes - pretty much the same to him). Cleopatra's grandmother was a blonde Greek woman.

Where does this need come from to dump all fair-haired people north of the Drava? It certainly isn't historically accurate!

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Rhozeus wrote:
Then let's conclude that we agree about the genes.

So in conclusion, the ancient Egyptians looked like how Egyptians look now.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Heloin wrote:

Plot twist: Marc Antony drank too much liquor and is focusing on trying not to die

Aureumterra III wrote:

Greed and Death wrote:
It appears to mostly be with in a certain subsect of African Americans that make this mistake.

African Americans think everyone from Africa is black?

Hurdergaryp wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Plot twist: Marc Antony drank too much liquor and is focusing on trying not to die

The ancient world didn't have liquor, given how the distilling process hadn't been invented yet.

Kowani wrote:

Rhozeus wrote:
Nope: Most Indo-Europeans were blonde, blonde-ish, or even red-haired - and with blue or green eyes. It's only once they start marrying the indigenous southern Europeans (like the Pelasgians, in Greece) or other immigrants (Athens had a sizeable Phoenician bloodline) that they became brown-eyed and black-haired.

As mentioned before in this thread: Alexander the Great was blonde. The one colour picture we have of the man shows a dark blonde young man. The northern Dorians pictured themselves as blonde. Homer mentions fair-haired men (/heroes - pretty much the same to him). Cleopatra's grandmother was a blonde Greek woman.

Where does this need come from to dump all fair-haired people north of the Drava? It certainly isn't historically accurate!

Kowani wrote:

Rhozeus wrote:
Nope: Most Indo-Europeans were blonde, blonde-ish, or even red-haired - and with blue or green eyes. It's only once they start marrying the indigenous southern Europeans (like the Pelasgians, in Greece) or other immigrants (Athens had a sizeable Phoenician bloodline) that they became brown-eyed and black-haired.

As mentioned before in this thread: Alexander the Great was blonde. The one colour picture we have of the man shows a dark blonde young man. The northern Dorians pictured themselves as blonde. Homer mentions fair-haired men (/heroes - pretty much the same to him). Cleopatra's grandmother was a blonde Greek woman.

Where does this need come from to dump all fair-haired people north of the Drava? It certainly isn't historically accurate!

Bear Stearns wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:African Americans think everyone from Africa is black?

yeah

Hurdergaryp wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:yeah

Now that's an overly simplistic answer. Generalist, too.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:

Hurdergaryp wrote:Now that's an overly simplistic answer. Generalist, too.

On nation states?

Bear Stearns wrote:

Aureumterra III wrote:African Americans think everyone from Africa is black?

yeah