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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:53 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
New haven america wrote:Southern Egyptians (Nubians) looked more like most modern Ethiopians.

Egypt was a pretty diverse nation.

Ehhh... a lot of them look Sudanese.

Yes, and most Sudanese look like modern day Ethiopians.
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Whitewashing garbage. Stop perpetrating the "tolerant Muslim conquerors" myth.

Since your an Islamophobe, I don’t expect you to understand that most Muslims conquerors, especially in the start of Islam, were tolerant of other faiths.


I'm an Islamophobe precisely because I know that's a load of shit. "Tolerant Muslim conquerors" is a myth. The Islamic rulers were no less warmongering, bigoted, oppressive, or genocidal than any other rulers of their era. Islam was not a beacon of civility and enlightenment in a time of darkness. Cut that revisionist shit, please. It's insulting to literally every part of the world that was never and still isn't Muslim.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:53 pm

I love this song. In any case, it shows how diverse Egyptians are:
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:There was an Egyptian painting that showed a medium-skinned pharaoh fighting -- I'm not sure exactly where, perhaps Ethiopia -- but it was to commemorate a victory over a black nation in the region, and the other side's soldiers were portrayed as very, very black.


The Egyptians we see in paintings weren't necessarily dark from womb to tomb btw. A bunch of soldiers or farmers would probably get very tan since they spent almost all their waking hours outside, and since they were Mediterranean we can safely assume they tanned as good as George Michael or John Stamos or the feared Stelio Kontos of legend.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Ehhh... a lot of them look Sudanese.


Btw, which actresses would you recommend for this role, just curious?

Nicole Kidman when she was younger.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm

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West Africa's golden age was short and fueled solely by it's access to valuable resources, like salt and gold, and it's sole connection to the outside world in the form of the Saharan trade routes. But no West African kingdom ever reached the glory or zenith of any Islamic Caliphate, any Christian Empire, China, the major Indian kingdoms, etc.


I beg to differ.


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Postby Debate Proxy 1 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:I know this guy who is berber and he's honestly more close in appearance to a white man than I am. If the Egyptians looked like he does, Ima assume the black Egypt hypothesis is out.

Southern Egyptians (Nubians) looked more like most modern Ethiopians.

Egypt was a pretty diverse nation.

Not many people know this, but Anwar Sadat was Nubian.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Ehhh... a lot of them look Sudanese.

Yes, and most Sudanese look like modern day Ethiopians.

I know Sudanis who would punch you for even suggesting that. Though I guess being around both helps you see the differences.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:55 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Since your an Islamophobe, I don’t expect you to understand that most Muslims conquerors, especially in the start of Islam, were tolerant of other faiths.


I'm an Islamophobe precisely because I know that's a load of shit. "Tolerant Muslim conquerors" is a myth. The Islamic rulers were no less warmongering, bigoted, oppressive, or genocidal than any other rulers of their era. Islam was not a beacon of civility and enlightenment in a time of darkness. Cut that revisionist shit, please. It's insulting to literally every part of the world that was never and still isn't Muslim.


Facts you don’t like aren’t revisionist, they’re still facts.
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Btw, which actresses would you recommend for this role, just curious?

Nicole Kidman when she was younger.

Cleopatra was a blond haired, blue eyed, Greek women. No, seriously.

ScarJo?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:55 pm

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Btw, which actresses would you recommend for this role, just curious?

Nicole Kidman when she was younger.

Cleopatra was a blond haired, blue eyed, Greek women. No, seriously.


I don’t know, I’d suggest Nia Vardalos. Although I’m ok with Gadot’s casting.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 pm

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I beg to differ.


You can beg to differ all you like. The facts don't agree with you.


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Debate Proxy 1 wrote:There was an Egyptian painting that showed a medium-skinned pharaoh fighting -- I'm not sure exactly where, perhaps Ethiopia -- but it was to commemorate a victory over a black nation in the region, and the other side's soldiers were portrayed as very, very black.


The Egyptians we see in paintings weren't necessarily dark from womb to tomb btw. A bunch of soldiers or farmers would probably get very tan since they spent almost all their waking hours outside, and since they were Mediterranean we can safely assume they tanned as good as George Michael or John Stamos or the feared Stelio Kontos of legend.


They were tan, olive, Mediterranean. Their own hieroglyphs suggest this. Nubians were depicted as black, and Greeks as white.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 pm

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New haven america wrote:Yes, and most Sudanese look like modern day Ethiopians.

I know Sudanis who would punch you for even suggesting that. Though I guess being around both helps you see the differences.

Because of ethnic history, not actual surface details.

Most white people look the same, but if you told a French guy and a Russian guy that they looked basically the same you'd never hear the end of it.
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Postby The Marlborough » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 pm

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New haven america wrote:Nicole Kidman when she was younger.

Cleopatra was a blond haired, blue eyed, Greek women. No, seriously.


I don’t know, I’d suggest Nia Vardalos. Although I’m ok with Gadot’s casting.

They'd probably consider her too old at this point though tbh.
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The Egyptians we see in paintings weren't necessarily dark from womb to tomb btw. A bunch of soldiers or farmers would probably get very tan since they spent almost all their waking hours outside, and since they were Mediterranean we can safely assume they tanned as good as George Michael or John Stamos or the feared Stelio Kontos of legend.


They were tan, olive, Mediterranean. Their own hieroglyphs suggest this. Nubians were depicted as black, and Greeks as white.


Strange how they depicted the Greeks tbh. The Greeks themselves aren't exactly pale, aside from this one guy I know but he's half German and Scottish.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 pm

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I don’t know, I’d suggest Nia Vardalos. Although I’m ok with Gadot’s casting.

They'd probably consider her too old at this point though tbh.


Possibly. Eh.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:I know Sudanis who would punch you for even suggesting that. Though I guess being around both helps you see the differences.

Because of ethnic history, not actual surface details.

Most white people look the same, but if you told a French guy and a Russian guy that they looked basically the same you'd never hear the end of it.


No, even physically Sudanis and Ethiopians generally look nothing alike.
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Insaanistan wrote:I know Sudanis who would punch you for even suggesting that. Though I guess being around both helps you see the differences.

Because of ethnic history, not actual surface details.

Most white people look the same, but if you told a French guy and a Russian guy that they looked basically the same you'd never hear the end of it.


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They were tan, olive, Mediterranean. Their own hieroglyphs suggest this. Nubians were depicted as black, and Greeks as white.


Strange how they depicted the Greeks tbh. The Greeks themselves aren't exactly pale, aside from this one guy I know but he's half German and Scottish.

Greeks come in a variety of skin tones just like everyone else.
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Strange how they depicted the Greeks tbh. The Greeks themselves aren't exactly pale, aside from this one guy I know but he's half German and Scottish.

Greeks come in a variety of skin tones just like everyone else.


I guess
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I'm an Islamophobe precisely because I know that's a load of shit. "Tolerant Muslim conquerors" is a myth. The Islamic rulers were no less warmongering, bigoted, oppressive, or genocidal than any other rulers of their era. Islam was not a beacon of civility and enlightenment in a time of darkness. Cut that revisionist shit, please. It's insulting to literally every part of the world that was never and still isn't Muslim.


Facts you don’t like aren’t revisionist, they’re still facts.


You don't have the facts, though. You reject them in favor of whatever comforts your "Islam good and peaceful" bubble. I at least can admit Christianity hasn't always been a positive thing in the lives of the people it conquered, dude.

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You can beg to differ all you like. The facts don't agree with you.


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Was probably one of the greatest West African civs, in close contest with the Songhai Kingdom.

Still never reached the same zenith as Rome, the Abbasids, the Ming Dynasty, the Sassanids, the Gupta Empire, etc.
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They obviously didn't look like humans with the head of a dog. Seriously, you expect me to believe that a guy like this was walking around the pyramids?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:00 pm

Yea I saw this nonsense. I remember awhile ago they tried to declare King Tut was a black Pharaoh even though there was ancient artwork showing a tanish Tut fighting black Nubmians. Questioning the claim got you labeled as racist.

Cleopatra was the descendent of one of Alexanders generals. You could argue for a tanish greek looking woman.

There is this simplistic mentality that only actors from a particular people can play people from the past.
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They were tan, olive, Mediterranean. Their own hieroglyphs suggest this. Nubians were depicted as black, and Greeks as white.


Strange how they depicted the Greeks tbh. The Greeks themselves aren't exactly pale, aside from this one guy I know but he's half German and Scottish.


Greeks were probably lighter back then.
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