No Voice For Nazis

[Lamoni]

Nazis of the world unite
Heil Hitler

*** Warning for Trolling ***

[Ifreann]

I remember when both of these tactics worked last time.

They've been very effective in countries that actually have free and fair elections and free speech.

The Weimar Republic, particularly Bavarian authorities, did not respect the freedom of speech of left-wing groups. There were multiple occasions when left-wing rallies were pre-emptively shut down because they were said to be too provocative, disruptive, or likely to become violent -- but then NSDAP rallies were permitted. That's not freedom of speech.

It's also important for laws to be enforced fairly. The sentence for crimes like murder or vandalism should be the same regardless of which side of the political spectrum someone is on. That was not the case in 1920s Munich. The sentencing for the Beer Hall Putsch was a joke. Allowing people to espouse Nazi theory or display Nazi symbols does not mean you have to give them a free pass when they commit violent crimes. To bring this into a modern context, people like Dylann Roof or those idiots that took over Malheur Wildlife Refuge should be kept off the street for a long time. They've demonstrated that they're willing to act out in ways that threaten public safety.

A guy who is flying a Nazi flag on his pick up truck or running for office on a platform of "ending Jewish control of our banks" does not belong in the same category as someone who has committed a violent crime. Hitler was in the violent criminal category even before he came to power, and the criminal justice system should not have coddled him.

So what's the plan for keeping Nazis from taking power in the real world, where elections aren't always free and fair and laws aren't always applied fairly?

[The Emerald Legion]

They've been very effective in countries that actually have free and fair elections and free speech.

The Weimar Republic, particularly Bavarian authorities, did not respect the freedom of speech of left-wing groups. There were multiple occasions when left-wing rallies were pre-emptively shut down because they were said to be too provocative, disruptive, or likely to become violent -- but then NSDAP rallies were permitted. That's not freedom of speech.

It's also important for laws to be enforced fairly. The sentence for crimes like murder or vandalism should be the same regardless of which side of the political spectrum someone is on. That was not the case in 1920s Munich. The sentencing for the Beer Hall Putsch was a joke. Allowing people to espouse Nazi theory or display Nazi symbols does not mean you have to give them a free pass when they commit violent crimes. To bring this into a modern context, people like Dylann Roof or those idiots that took over Malheur Wildlife Refuge should be kept off the street for a long time. They've demonstrated that they're willing to act out in ways that threaten public safety.

A guy who is flying a Nazi flag on his pick up truck or running for office on a platform of "ending Jewish control of our banks" does not belong in the same category as someone who has committed a violent crime. Hitler was in the violent criminal category even before he came to power, and the criminal justice system should not have coddled him.

So what's the plan for keeping Nazis from taking power in the real world, where elections aren't always free and fair and laws aren't always applied fairly?

Please tell me the last time Nazis got away with crime in the USA. It doesn't happen. They're everyone's favorite punching bag.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That doesn't fucking help you. Not a single problem will be solved that way. You might as well rant at clouds.

No, it was very bad. When your beliefs are garbage, your arguments will be.

“stares at cloud”

Okay then

You know Steuben, you don't need to live among only white people to remain protected from persecution. Your white tribalism seems to be heavily based around fear of aggression or violence directed at yourself but it isn't impossible to have a multiracial society that is still stable and unicultural.

[Ifreann]

So what's the plan for keeping Nazis from taking power in the real world, where elections aren't always free and fair and laws aren't always applied fairly?

Please tell me the last time Nazis got away with crime in the USA. It doesn't happen. They're everyone's favorite punching bag.

Sure, if you say so.

[Great Nortend]

They've been very effective in countries that actually have free and fair elections and free speech.

The Weimar Republic, particularly Bavarian authorities, did not respect the freedom of speech of left-wing groups. There were multiple occasions when left-wing rallies were pre-emptively shut down because they were said to be too provocative, disruptive, or likely to become violent -- but then NSDAP rallies were permitted. That's not freedom of speech.

It's also important for laws to be enforced fairly. The sentence for crimes like murder or vandalism should be the same regardless of which side of the political spectrum someone is on. That was not the case in 1920s Munich. The sentencing for the Beer Hall Putsch was a joke. Allowing people to espouse Nazi theory or display Nazi symbols does not mean you have to give them a free pass when they commit violent crimes. To bring this into a modern context, people like Dylann Roof or those idiots that took over Malheur Wildlife Refuge should be kept off the street for a long time. They've demonstrated that they're willing to act out in ways that threaten public safety.

A guy who is flying a Nazi flag on his pick up truck or running for office on a platform of "ending Jewish control of our banks" does not belong in the same category as someone who has committed a violent crime. Hitler was in the violent criminal category even before he came to power, and the criminal justice system should not have coddled him.

So what's the plan for keeping Nazis from taking power in the real world, where elections aren't always free and fair and laws aren't always applied fairly?

If the people want Nazis in power, what can stop them? That's democracy. The people can vote to overturn constitutional limitations. They can elect a neo-Hitler. They can instal a dictatorship. Oppression of the minority and all that.

[Diahon]

So what's the plan for keeping Nazis from taking power in the real world, where elections aren't always free and fair and laws aren't always applied fairly?

If the people want Nazis in power, what can stop them? That's democracy. The people can vote to overturn constitutional limitations. They can elect a neo-Hitler. They can instal a dictatorship. Oppression of the minority and all that.

They can fuck murder kill. They can wage war against other nations, put millions to death, and either die themselves or rule over the wastes.

Ain't democracy taken to that extreme so cheery?

[Duvniask]

The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?

Put down the rebellion General Sherman style, just like last time people refused to accept the results of an election. We're talking about a situation where people didn't vote for them, right?

No, I left that part unspecified. Nazis don't care about elections, so long as they gain power in whatever way is most effective.

And in the scenario where 51% of the electorate votes for them, are you going to tell me your principles are really so skin-deep that you think it would be all fine and dandy?

[Freiheit Reich]

If the people want Nazis in power, what can stop them? That's democracy. The people can vote to overturn constitutional limitations. They can elect a neo-Hitler. They can instal a dictatorship. Oppression of the minority and all that.

They can fuck murder kill. They can wage war against other nations, put millions to death, and either die themselves or rule over the wastes.

Ain't democracy taken to that extreme so cheery?

Once they invade another nation, they will be slaughtered in a war just like what happened when Mr. Pol Pot invaded Vietnam and got his butt handed to him or when Japan attacked the USA and lost in a hard fought war. Invasion is a perfect reason to fight back and put a different (and hopefully better) government in charge.

What they do in their own country is up to them, but the UN can scold them as they have scolded Sudan, the PRC, and North Korea for their own human rights issues. Perhaps the world can put an embargo on them if the Nazis win power in that country.

[Diahon]

They can fuck murder kill. They can wage war against other nations, put millions to death, and either die themselves or rule over the wastes.

Ain't democracy taken to that extreme so cheery?

Once they invade another nation, they will be slaughtered in a war just like what happened when Mr. Pol Pot invaded Vietnam and got his butt handed to him or when Japan attacked the USA and lost in a hard fought war. Invasion is a perfect reason to fight back and put a different (and hopefully better) government in charge.

What they do in their own country is up to them, but the UN can scold them as they have scolded Sudan, the PRC, and North Korea for their own human rights issues. Perhaps the world can put an embargo on them if the Nazis win power in that country.

No.

[Thermodolia]

The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?

Put down the rebellion General Sherman style, just like last time people refused to accept the results of an election. We're talking about a situation where people didn't vote for them, right?

Even if people freely and fairly elected Nazis we shouldn’t allow Nazis to take power

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If nazis won an election in America, it would be absolutely horrifying. I mean they're nazis, they wanna kill minorities.

[Thermodolia]

If nazis won an election in America, it would be absolutely horrifying. I mean they're nazis, they wanna kill minorities.

That’s why you HUAC the fuck out of them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If nazis won an election in America, it would be absolutely horrifying. I mean they're nazis, they wanna kill minorities.

That’s why you HUAC the fuck out of them.

It's honestly centrist as hell to say "oh come on guys, I know they're nazis and racist but they won the election fair and square." I don't care, I'm at risk and my life and the lives of those around me are more important than "the election."

[Thermodolia]

That’s why you HUAC the fuck out of them.

It's honestly centrist as hell to say "oh come on guys, I know they're nazis and racist but they won the election fair and square." I don't care, I'm at risk and my life and the lives of those around me are more important than "the election."

That’s why you have the all powerful FBI and CIA monitor nazis

[The Emerald Legion]

Put down the rebellion General Sherman style, just like last time people refused to accept the results of an election. We're talking about a situation where people didn't vote for them, right?

No, I left that part unspecified. Nazis don't care about elections, so long as they gain power in whatever way is most effective.

And in the scenario where 51% of the electorate votes for them, are you going to tell me your principles are really so skin-deep that you think it would be all fine and dandy?

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No, I left that part unspecified. Nazis don't care about elections, so long as they gain power in whatever way is most effective.

And in the scenario where 51% of the electorate votes for them, are you going to tell me your principles are really so skin-deep that you think it would be all fine and dandy?

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

It's a hypothetical. Can you just suspend disbelief and make it work, cause I did it for Lord of the Rings.

[Ifreann]

No, I left that part unspecified. Nazis don't care about elections, so long as they gain power in whatever way is most effective.

And in the scenario where 51% of the electorate votes for them, are you going to tell me your principles are really so skin-deep that you think it would be all fine and dandy?

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

You don't need 51% of the electorate to vote for you to take power.

[Duvniask]

No, I left that part unspecified. Nazis don't care about elections, so long as they gain power in whatever way is most effective.

And in the scenario where 51% of the electorate votes for them, are you going to tell me your principles are really so skin-deep that you think it would be all fine and dandy?

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

I swear, the absolute state of your posts.

I'm using the hypothetical to assess whether or not the dude thinks Nazis in power would be alright if they were just voted in, it doesn't have to be realistic at this specific point in time. Not to mention, you already have a white supremacist in charge who speaks to Proud Boys like they're his lapdogs, so it's not very far fetched.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I just want to say how proud I am that my thread has lasted this long. They usually end up dying a day later so this is a surprise. Thank you all for participating.

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

I swear, the absolute state of your posts.

I'm using the hypothetical to assess whether or not the dude thinks Nazis in power would be alright if they were just voted in, it doesn't have to be realistic at this specific point in time. Not to mention, you already have a white supremacist in charge who speaks to Proud Boys like they're his lapdogs, so it's not very far fetched.

Trump is a Trump supremacist. He doesn't care enough about other people to think they're genetically superior to others. Anyone who isn't on his team I'd inferior in his mind.

[Freiheit Reich]

If nazis won an election in America, it would be absolutely horrifying. I mean they're nazis, they wanna kill minorities.

This is why having a good system of checks and balances and a strong constitution and Bill of Rights is so important. It will help to slow the spread of Nazism even if a Nazi is elected as president or the Nazis win a majority of senate seats. We need to thank the founding fathers for our system of government today which has helped to prevent a dictator from being in charge (although in some ways, Lincoln and Wilson and FDR behaved like dictators). Actually, we need to strengthen the Bill of Rights because basic freedoms are being slowly taken away. We need to make it harder to take freedoms away to prevent the USA from becoming another dictatorship (whether Nazi or Communist).

[West Leas Oros 2]

If nazis won an election in America, it would be absolutely horrifying. I mean they're nazis, they wanna kill minorities.

This is why having a good system of checks and balances and a strong constitution and Bill of Rights is so important. It will help to slow the spread of Nazism even if a Nazi is elected as president or the Nazis win a majority of senate seats. We need to thank the founding fathers for our system of government today which has helped to prevent a dictator from being in charge (although in some ways, Lincoln and Wilson and FDR behaved like dictators). Actually, we need to strengthen the Bill of Rights because basic freedoms are being slowly taken away. We need to make it harder to take freedoms away to prevent the USA from becoming another dictatorship (whether Nazi or Communist).

So if wartime Presidents have acted like dictators, what's stopping Nazis from simply declaring "emergency powers", or even suspending certain constitutional and legal rights?

[Freiheit Reich]

Except 51% of the electorate wouldn't vote for Nazis. So your hypothetical doesn't make sense.

I swear, the absolute state of your posts.

I'm using the hypothetical to assess whether or not the dude thinks Nazis in power would be alright if they were just voted in, it doesn't have to be realistic at this specific point in time. Not to mention, you already have a white supremacist in charge who speaks to Proud Boys like they're his lapdogs, so it's not very far fetched.

Trump is not a white supremacist. In fact, many respected African-Americans support President Trump. Your arguments would be stronger if you avoided exaggerating so much. Yes, he looks at Proud Boys positively because they support him, but it doesn't mean he agrees with all of their ideas and he hasn't talked about passing anti-black laws.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I swear, the absolute state of your posts.

I'm using the hypothetical to assess whether or not the dude thinks Nazis in power would be alright if they were just voted in, it doesn't have to be realistic at this specific point in time. Not to mention, you already have a white supremacist in charge who speaks to Proud Boys like they're his lapdogs, so it's not very far fetched.

Trump is not a white supremacist. In fact, many respected African-Americans support President Trump. Your arguments would be stronger if you avoided exaggerating so much. Yes, he looks at Proud Boys positively because they support him, but it doesn't mean he agrees with all of their ideas and he hasn't talked about passing anti-black laws.

To be fair, a lot of current anti-black laws predate his administration.

[Freiheit Reich]

This is why having a good system of checks and balances and a strong constitution and Bill of Rights is so important. It will help to slow the spread of Nazism even if a Nazi is elected as president or the Nazis win a majority of senate seats. We need to thank the founding fathers for our system of government today which has helped to prevent a dictator from being in charge (although in some ways, Lincoln and Wilson and FDR behaved like dictators). Actually, we need to strengthen the Bill of Rights because basic freedoms are being slowly taken away. We need to make it harder to take freedoms away to prevent the USA from becoming another dictatorship (whether Nazi or Communist).

So if wartime Presidents have acted like dictators, what's stopping Nazis from simply declaring "emergency powers", or even suspending certain constitutional and legal rights?

This concerns me and it is a reason we need to make it harder to suspend freedoms. Both republicans and democrats love to use 'emergency powers' to gain more control. 9/11 proved that civil liberties are easy to remove when average citizens are panicking. Nazis would likely act even worse than President Cheney (the real president) did if given the chance (or they would make their own event). Many have said that Hitler planned the Reichstag Fire as a way to increase his power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire