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Should Nazis have a voice in politics in the United States?

The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis.
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I understand and sympathize with the OP, but I believe Freedom of Speech should come first.
75
41%
Sieg Heil! The American Reich will come! White Power!
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9%
I'm not from the U.S. so I really don't care. I'm just here to eat popcorn and laugh at memes. And I'm all out of popcorn.
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7%
I dunno, what does Hasselhoff think?
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:40 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
It was very bad. Your views are deplorable and you said many insulting and toxic things to defend them, making yourself zero friends on here.

Maybe one day you'll know the truth. I won't rule it out but right now you're not woke.

Well, I apologize. I mean no harm or offense towards you or any other poster.


You literally downplayed the blood, sweat and tears a friend of mine put into fighting for people like yourself bro. Absolutely toxic.
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
All i want is a reasonable limit on immigration to maintain a majority white nation, no more or less

That doesn't fucking help you. Not a single problem will be solved that way. You might as well rant at clouds.

Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, to avoid this situation getting heated, I think I’m going to take a break. I’m tired, have a headache, and my phone needs charged. In any case, goodbye, sorry if I offended you, see you later. Even though you guys have shown your opposition to me, I think this argument was not all bad.
No, it was very bad. When your beliefs are garbage, your arguments will be.

Well, I could say the same thing, but I don’t want to be rude about it.

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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:41 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:Well, I apologize. I mean no harm or offense towards you or any other poster.


You literally downplayed the blood, sweat and tears a friend of mine put into fighting for people like yourself bro. Absolutely toxic.

I don’t know you, or your friend, but I admit that it was not nice to pass judgement so quickly.

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The Marlborough
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Postby The Marlborough » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:44 pm

You also believe that melanin gives you superpowers whilst also having the audacity to condemn racial supremacy ideas lmfao.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:45 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:That doesn't fucking help you. Not a single problem will be solved that way. You might as well rant at clouds.

No, it was very bad. When your beliefs are garbage, your arguments will be.

Well, I could say the same thing, but I don’t want to be rude about it.

shrug
You're an inverse Neo-Nazi. Your views are far more offensive than my tone.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:45 pm

The Marlborough wrote:You also believe that melanin gives you superpowers whilst also having the audacity to condemn racial supremacy ideas lmfao.


“Eats popcorn”
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:47 pm

New Steuben wrote:
Kowani wrote:That doesn't fucking help you. Not a single problem will be solved that way. You might as well rant at clouds.

No, it was very bad. When your beliefs are garbage, your arguments will be.


“stares at cloud”

Okay then

See, there it is again.
Can't engage with the point, retreat to "comedy."
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:Well, I could say the same thing, but I don’t want to be rude about it.

shrug
You're an inverse Neo-Nazi. Your views are far more offensive than my tone.

Well, last I checked, offensive views weren’t forbidden wholesale.

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:49 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:shrug
You're an inverse Neo-Nazi. Your views are far more offensive than my tone.

Well, last I checked, offensive views weren’t forbidden wholesale.

Nope. Fully valid, as long as you express them right.

Stupid ideas, though? Get called out for being stupid.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:00 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You literally downplayed the blood, sweat and tears a friend of mine put into fighting for people like yourself bro. Absolutely toxic.

I don’t know you, or your friend, but I admit that it was not nice to pass judgement so quickly.


Youre right. Maybe your views aren't totally accurate.

There's no shame in admitting your views on a subject aren't totally correct.
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Mordka
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Founded: Aug 12, 2018
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Postby Mordka » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:36 pm

Nazis of the world unite
Heil Hitler

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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:42 pm

Mordka wrote:Nazis of the world unite
Heil Hitler


They did that already. We kicked their butts.

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Diahon
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Postby Diahon » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:14 pm

Mordka wrote:Nazis of the world unite
Heil Hitler


take your edginess elsewhere, kid

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USS Monitor
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:27 pm

Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.

Saiwania wrote:The OP knows next to nothing about National Socialism beyond a surface level and is biased against it based upon a historical precedent that is unlikely to repeat in exactly the same way. From the NSDAP perspective, their victims weren't innocent and they had their reasons just as the people who killed Nazis had theirs. There is no true right or wrong sides in warfare. In any case, a neo-Nazi party doesn't have to follow the exact platform that the original NSDAP had and indeed, some if not most of it is obsolete now because Eugenics and Social Darwinism isn't as much in prominence anymore.


Nazism has some basic ideological flaws that would always cause problems, even if they came out in a slightly different way. For example, if you persecute Muslims instead of Jews, that's not really an improvement.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:33 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.
I remember when both of these tactics worked last time.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:40 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Mordka wrote:Nazis of the world unite
Heil Hitler


They did that already. We kicked their butts.

And pretty decisively at that.
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- Free speech
- Weapons rights
- Democracy
- LGBTQ+ rights
- Racial equality
- Gender/sexual equality
- Voting rights
- Universal healthcare
- Workers rights
- Drug decriminalization
- Cannabis legalization
- Due process
- Rehabilitative justice
- Religious freedom
- Choice
- Environmental protections
- Secularism
ANTI
- Fascism/Nazism
- Conservatism
- Nationalism
- Authoritarianism/Totalitarianism
- Traditionalism
- Ethnic/racial supremacy
- Racism
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- Transphobia
- Homophobia
- Religious extremism
- Laissez-faire capitalism
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- Anti-intellectualism
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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:47 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.

The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?
One of these days, I'm going to burst a blood vessel in my brain.

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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:47 pm

Duvniask wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.

The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?


What exactly are you implying...
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Duvniask
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:50 pm

New Steuben wrote:
Duvniask wrote:The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?


What exactly are you implying...

Do you want me to explain the entire premise of this thread to you?
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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:52 pm

Duvniask wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
What exactly are you implying...

Do you want me to explain the entire premise of this thread to you?


are you advocating for political violence?
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Government: Germanic Neo-Pagan Nationalist Constitutional Republic
Head of State: President Otto Wilson
Head of Government: Chancellor Arthur Berg
Ethnicity's: Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Southern/Eastern Euro Minorities
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USS Monitor
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:25 am

Kowani wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.
I remember when both of these tactics worked last time.


They've been very effective in countries that actually have free and fair elections and free speech.

The Weimar Republic, particularly Bavarian authorities, did not respect the freedom of speech of left-wing groups. There were multiple occasions when left-wing rallies were pre-emptively shut down because they were said to be too provocative, disruptive, or likely to become violent -- but then NSDAP rallies were permitted. That's not freedom of speech.

It's also important for laws to be enforced fairly. The sentence for crimes like murder or vandalism should be the same regardless of which side of the political spectrum someone is on. That was not the case in 1920s Munich. The sentencing for the Beer Hall Putsch was a joke. Allowing people to espouse Nazi theory or display Nazi symbols does not mean you have to give them a free pass when they commit violent crimes. To bring this into a modern context, people like Dylann Roof or those idiots that took over Malheur Wildlife Refuge should be kept off the street for a long time. They've demonstrated that they're willing to act out in ways that threaten public safety.

A guy who is flying a Nazi flag on his pick up truck or running for office on a platform of "ending Jewish control of our banks" does not belong in the same category as someone who has committed a violent crime. Hitler was in the violent criminal category even before he came to power, and the criminal justice system should not have coddled him.
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USS Monitor
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Ex-Nation

Postby USS Monitor » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:36 am

Duvniask wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Don't like Nazis? Don't vote for them. I don't vote for Nazis.

You can also use your own freedom of speech to campaign against Nazism.

The fuck you gonna do when they gain power anyway and start killing people?


Put down the rebellion General Sherman style, just like last time people refused to accept the results of an election. We're talking about a situation where people didn't vote for them, right?
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Diahon
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Postby Diahon » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:06 am

Saiwania wrote:The OP knows next to nothing about National Socialism beyond a surface level and is biased against it based upon a historical precedent that is unlikely to repeat in exactly the same way. From the NSDAP perspective, their victims weren't innocent and they had their reasons just as the people who killed Nazis had theirs. There is no true right or wrong sides in warfare. In any case, a neo-Nazi party doesn't have to follow the exact platform that the original NSDAP had and indeed, some if not most of it is obsolete now because Eugenics and Social Darwinism isn't as much in prominence anymore.


bull
fucking
shit

"from the nazis', their allies', and their opponents' viewpoints, the jews had it coming" -- oh? so that's why they had to murder millions? through mass shootings, mass hunts for stragglers, concentration camps, inhumane experimentations, work camps, ghettos, and death marches?

because they were guilty of fucking existing?

because they were unlucky enough to be born as jews?

because being a jew -- not just by fucking creed, by fucking descent -- is to inflict grievous injuries against your fuckedup insecure narcissistic white superiority complex?

and you dare tell us that there was no right or wrong in that war -- a war in which one of the reasons for it starting at all -- is to eradicate the jews, their imaginary hold upon the world, and their putative malice? that somehow emphasizing the genodical bigotry that came first and foremost in every calculation the nazis made, to its benefit and its detriment, was missing the point?

hahahahahaha no

stop being so fucking thirsty for something you say is obsolete
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Wabbit feefees
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Ex-Nation

Postby Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:58 am

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:shrug
You're an inverse Neo-Nazi. Your views are far more offensive than my tone.

Well, last I checked, offensive views weren’t forbidden wholesale.


general is retail. different rules apply

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Wabbit feefees
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Ex-Nation

Postby Wabbit feefees » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:02 am

Diahon wrote:
Saiwania wrote:The OP knows next to nothing about National Socialism beyond a surface level and is biased against it based upon a historical precedent that is unlikely to repeat in exactly the same way. From the NSDAP perspective, their victims weren't innocent and they had their reasons just as the people who killed Nazis had theirs. There is no true right or wrong sides in warfare. In any case, a neo-Nazi party doesn't have to follow the exact platform that the original NSDAP had and indeed, some if not most of it is obsolete now because Eugenics and Social Darwinism isn't as much in prominence anymore.


bull
fucking
shit

"from the nazis', their allies', and their opponents' viewpoints, the jews had it coming" -- oh? so that's why they had to murder millions? through mass shootings, mass hunts for stragglers, concentration camps, inhumane experimentations, work camps, ghettos, and death marches?

because they were guilty of fucking existing?

because they were unlucky enough to be born as jews?

because being a jew -- not just by fucking creed, by fucking descent -- is to inflict grievous injuries against your fuckedup insecure narcissistic white superiority complex?

and you dare tell us that there was no right or wrong in that war -- a war in which one of the reasons for it starting at all -- is to eradicate the jews, their imaginary hold upon the world, and their putative malice? that somehow emphasizing the genodical bigotry that came first and foremost in every calculation the nazis made, to its benefit and its detriment, was missing the point?

hahahahahaha no

stop being so fucking thirsty for something you say is obsolete


the mixture of race and religion in judaism is actually cheating. say anything about a jew and its religiosly intolerant or racist or both. say anything about a jew at all and its a bit of both there fore wrong. its a rules lawyer thing makes it very hard to say anything and they dont take offence. eg this post

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