No Voice For Nazis

[American Micronesia]

Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

Let us turn that around for a moment.

Say, a black person is from a poor community supposedly oppressed by said supremacy system, but instead of trying to fight it he doesn't take any action at all, and instead involves himself in violent crime that only helps establish the negative stereotype about black people being overwhelmingly involved in crime.

Is he also contributing to that system then?

[Greater Malegron]

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

You mean besides supporting the dismantling of oppression, voting in a black President, and so on?

This has real “Obama ended racism in 2008” vibes.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Things that don't exist can't be the same.

Race doesn’t exist? That’s quite the take.

It doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't change the demarcation lines of the races every 20 years.

How does an Arab American go from being non white in 1900 to white in 1944 to non white again in 2002? Only because whiteness is a social category and not a biological reality.

[Greater Malegron]

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

Let us turn that around for a moment.

Say, a black person is from a poor community supposedly oppressed by said supremacy system, but instead of trying to fight it he doesn't take any action at all, and instead involves himself in violent crime that only helps establish the negative stereotype about black people being overwhelmingly involved in crime.

Is he also contributing to that system then?

No, because he did what he had to in order to survive in a system rigged against him.

[American Micronesia]

Let us turn that around for a moment.

Say, a black person is from a poor community supposedly oppressed by said supremacy system, but instead of trying to fight it he doesn't take any action at all, and instead involves himself in violent crime that only helps establish the negative stereotype about black people being overwhelmingly involved in crime.

Is he also contributing to that system then?

No, because he did what he had to in order to survive in a system rigged against him.

So, only white people can save black people from the predicament they're in?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Let us turn that around for a moment.

Say, a black person is from a poor community supposedly oppressed by said supremacy system, but instead of trying to fight it he doesn't take any action at all, and instead involves himself in violent crime that only helps establish the negative stereotype about black people being overwhelmingly involved in crime.

Is he also contributing to that system then?

No, because he did what he had to in order to survive in a system rigged against him.

...by killing other black people.

[Greater Malegron]

Race doesn’t exist? That’s quite the take.

It doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't change the demarcation lines of the races every 20 years.

How does an Arab American go from being non white in 1900 to white in 1944 to non white again in 2002? Only because whiteness is a social category and not a biological reality.

Uhhh... Melanin?

I fully expect you guys to laugh me out of town.

[Albrenia]

You mean besides supporting the dismantling of oppression, voting in a black President, and so on?

This has real “Obama ended racism in 2008” vibes.

Of course he didn't end it, but it was a major milestone for the American people. Rather set back by being followed by a supreme asshole, but it doesn't change that it's hardly 'white supremacy' for a white guy to vote in a black President and support measures to undo said supremacy.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't change the demarcation lines of the races every 20 years.

How does an Arab American go from being non white in 1900 to white in 1944 to non white again in 2002? Only because whiteness is a social category and not a biological reality.

Uhhh... Melanin?

I fully expect you guys to laugh me out of town.

Arab people didn't change in color between those years. What changed was the social definition of white.

Even today it's debated. I'd say the number of people I know who view Arabs as people of color vs the number who see Arabs as white is about half and half.

[Greater Malegron]

No, because he did what he had to in order to survive in a system rigged against him.

So, only white people can save black people from the predicament they're in?

No. Black people need to unite, strategize, and take matters into their own hands. But any act of rebellion against the white dominated system serves at least some utility.

[Kowani]

No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise.

No. Let me be very clear. There is no chance. It could not happen. It's simple math.

I’m optimistic, at least.

Optimistic to rush to your death? A shallow grave in a doomed crusade? 'Cause that's what'll happen.

And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

[/quote] No. I'm saying they don't exist. They are biologically nonsensical cultural constructs that were invented by colonizers to justify slavery and genocide. You buying into them is because, guess what? Your mind's been colonized.

You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.

We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

you are not any better than them. At the very least, your belief is understandable, because being black in the US sucks donkey balls, but it's still garbage.

See, you can't do it. Fundamentally incapable.

Do what exactly, idk what you even want from me. Your just ranting

Within my posts, there were several points about how white nationalism in general and white tribalism in particular are inherently contradictory and cannibalistic political trains of thought that cannot ever "win." Not because they are evil, but because the paradigms of the belief do not allow for it.

[American Micronesia]

So, only white people can save black people from the predicament they're in?

No. Black people need to unite, strategize, and take matters into their own hands. But any act of rebellion against the white dominated system serves at least some utility.

Yet the hypothetical man I brought up is actively impacting this struggle in a negative way. How come he can not be held responsible for that?

[Kowani]

This has real “Obama ended racism in 2008” vibes.

Of course he didn't end it, but it was a major milestone for the American people. Rather set back by being followed by a supreme asshole, but it doesn't change that it's hardly 'white supremacy' for a white guy to vote in a black President and support measures to undo said supremacy.

Uhh...Obama was a symbolic achievement, sure, but in terms of policy...no.

[New Steuben]

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise.

No. Let me be very clear. There is no chance. It could not happen. It's simple math.

I’m optimistic, at least.

Optimistic to rush to your death? A shallow grave in a doomed crusade? 'Cause that's what'll happen.

And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

No. I'm saying they don't exist. They are biologically nonsensical cultural constructs that were invented by colonizers to justify slavery and genocide. You buying into them is because, guess what? Your mind's been colonized.

You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.

We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

you are not any better than them. At the very least, your belief is understandable, because being black in the US sucks donkey balls, but it's still garbage.

See, you can't do it. Fundamentally incapable.

Do what exactly, idk what you even want from me. Your just ranting

Within my posts, there were several points about how white nationalism in general and white tribalism in particular are inherently contradictory and cannibalistic political trains of thought that cannot ever "win." Not because they are evil, but because the paradigms of the belief do not allow for it.[/quote]

Its not about “winning”...

[Greater Malegron]

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise.

No. Let me be very clear. There is no chance. It could not happen. It's simple math.

I’m optimistic, at least.

Optimistic to rush to your death? A shallow grave in a doomed crusade? 'Cause that's what'll happen.

And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

No. I'm saying they don't exist. They are biologically nonsensical cultural constructs that were invented by colonizers to justify slavery and genocide. You buying into them is because, guess what? Your mind's been colonized.

You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.

We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

you are not any better than them. At the very least, your belief is understandable, because being black in the US sucks donkey balls, but it's still garbage.

See, you can't do it. Fundamentally incapable.

Do what exactly, idk what you even want from me. Your just ranting

Within my posts, there were several points about how white nationalism in general and white tribalism in particular are inherently contradictory and cannibalistic political trains of thought that cannot ever "win." Not because they are evil, but because the paradigms of the belief do not allow for it.[/quote]
Again, if race doesn’t exist, how do you explain Melanin? I brought this up before.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Of course he didn't end it, but it was a major milestone for the American people. Rather set back by being followed by a supreme asshole, but it doesn't change that it's hardly 'white supremacy' for a white guy to vote in a black President and support measures to undo said supremacy.

Uhh...Obama was a symbolic achievement, sure, but in terms of policy...no.

Obama was a disappointment.

[Picairn]

Obama was a disappointment.

He didn't do much on race, but I guess that's what gonna happen when you become a lame duck.

At least he gave us Obamacare.

[New Steuben]

Uhh...Obama was a symbolic achievement, sure, but in terms of policy...no.

Obama was a disappointment.

Agreed

[Albrenia]

Uhh...Obama was a symbolic achievement, sure, but in terms of policy...no.

Obama was a disappointment.

Well, yeah. That's not really my point though. That accusing all white people of being complicit in white supremacy is simply not true. Some of us have actively worked against it and other such horrific ideologies.

[New Steuben]

Obama was a disappointment.

Well, yeah. That's not really my point though. That accusing all white people of being complicit in white supremacy is simply not true. Some of us have actively worked against it and other such horrific ideologies.

“White silence is violence”

[Washington Resistance Army]

Again, if race doesn’t exist, how do you explain Melanin? I brought this up before.

If your basis for race is melanin then it's a useless one lol. Congrats my ancestors lived in the snow for a long time and yours lived in the savannah. Such difference.

[Greater Malegron]

Well, yeah. That's not really my point though. That accusing all white people of being complicit in white supremacy is simply not true. Some of us have actively worked against it and other such horrific ideologies.

“White silence is violence”

Unironically.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Obama was a disappointment.

Well, yeah. That's not really my point though. That accusing all white people of being complicit in white supremacy is simply not true. Some of us have actively worked against it and other such horrific ideologies.

I knew a girl named Violette who was an Anarcho-Socialist. She went to like a billion protests and actively rallied in our community, and she was actively against white supremacy. Let's give credit to the Violettes of this world who are allies of oppressed peoples worldwide. White people who care.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Again, if race doesn’t exist, how do you explain Melanin? I brought this up before.

If your basis for race is melanin then it's a useless one lol. Congrats my ancestors lived in the snow for a long time and yours lived in the savannah. Such difference.

He thinks a difference in skintone is somehow remarkable or stark.

[New Steuben]

Again, if race doesn’t exist, how do you explain Melanin? I brought this up before.

If your basis for race is melanin then it's a useless one lol. Congrats my ancestors lived in the snow for a long time and yours lived in the savannah. Such difference.

Racial Supremacy is wack yo