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Should Nazis have a voice in politics in the United States?

The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis.
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40%
I understand and sympathize with the OP, but I believe Freedom of Speech should come first.
75
41%
Sieg Heil! The American Reich will come! White Power!
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9%
I'm not from the U.S. so I really don't care. I'm just here to eat popcorn and laugh at memes. And I'm all out of popcorn.
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7%
I dunno, what does Hasselhoff think?
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Total votes : 184

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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:05 pm

In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:05 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
How about resisting racists instead of becoming one against whites?

Like I said, white people, racist or not, are at least partially complicit in the system of white supremacy.


Are you complicit in black on black crime?
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:The fucking-

Liberation cannot merely be physical and legalistic, it must be mental. Malcom X explained that particular concept better than I ever can, but if you truly wish to “liberate” black people (and I don’t think you do), you must pursue a mental liberation by which we cease to think of the world through the colonialist paradigm. Race-it’s very existence is perhaps the most salient part of colonialist thought. A state based around race is merely mental slavery.

So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.

No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.


You can have opinions but you'll rightly get roasted for being a Nazi.
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Cordel One
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:The fucking-

Liberation cannot merely be physical and legalistic, it must be mental. Malcom X explained that particular concept better than I ever can, but if you truly wish to “liberate” black people (and I don’t think you do), you must pursue a mental liberation by which we cease to think of the world through the colonialist paradigm. Race-it’s very existence is perhaps the most salient part of colonialist thought. A state based around race is merely mental slavery.

So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.

As if you can't fight for your rights without advocating supremacy.

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:07 pm

New Steuben wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oh, no. You don't get to come in here with an internally contradictory, self-cannibalizing ideology and then pretend some sort of reasonableness. Tone is second to ideas, and your ideas are shit. There is no common fucking interest of white people. Think critically for 2 minutes, goddamn


Relax

Imagine engaging with people's arguments.
No, wait, can't do that 'cause then your whole belief "structure" would come tumbling down.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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New Steuben
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Founded: Mar 05, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Steuben wrote:
Relax

Imagine engaging with people's arguments.
No, wait, can't do that 'cause then your whole belief "structure" would come tumbling down.



Whatever you say
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Cordel One
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

You can have opinions, just expect backlash if it's unpopular. Take a look at the founding fathers thread, I'm getting dogpiled too.

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Picairn
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Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.

No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

New Steuben wrote:
Kowani wrote:Imagine engaging with people's arguments.
No, wait, can't do that 'cause then your whole belief "structure" would come tumbling down.



Whatever you say

See, you can't do it. Fundamentally incapable.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Albrenia
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Founded: Aug 18, 2017
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.


Nobody is denying you or anyone else an opinion here.

We're allowed to tell you why your opinion is a mockery of social justice though, wherein instead of ending oppression you just swap who the boot is stamping on.

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American Micronesia
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Founded: Sep 13, 2020
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Postby American Micronesia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
How about resisting racists instead of becoming one against whites?

Like I said, white people, racist or not, are at least partially complicit in the system of white supremacy.

Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?


Things that don't exist can't be the same.
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.

We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

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New Steuben
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Founded: Mar 05, 2020
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Steuben wrote:

Whatever you say

See, you can't do it. Fundamentally incapable.


Do what exactly, idk what you even want from me. Your just ranting
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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Kowani wrote:No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.

I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?


Of course they are, outside of some minor trends. Even if they were not, they should still be treated equally as if said differences did not exist.

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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:11 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Picairn wrote:You can, but you'll be mocked for your racist and fascist views.

We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?


Im also not a fascist or someone who belives one race is superior to another soooo
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:11 pm

American Micronesia wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:Like I said, white people, racist or not, are at least partially complicit in the system of white supremacy.

Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

He's being destroyed alongside with you.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
American Micronesia wrote:Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.


Making alot of assumptions about said person.

What have you done to stop racism in America? Nothing, so you're complicit in it.
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?


Things that don't exist can't be the same.

Race doesn’t exist? That’s quite the take.

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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
American Micronesia wrote:Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.


You mean besides supporting the dismantling of oppression, voting in a black President, and so on?

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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

That's it, folks. The most bullshit quote of the day, "inaction is action".
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New Steuben
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:13 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

He's being destroyed alongside with you.


Whats being “destroyed”

I never advocated for what malegron wants
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