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by Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:05 pm

by New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:05 pm

by Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:Kowani wrote:The fucking-
Liberation cannot merely be physical and legalistic, it must be mental. Malcom X explained that particular concept better than I ever can, but if you truly wish to “liberate” black people (and I don’t think you do), you must pursue a mental liberation by which we cease to think of the world through the colonialist paradigm. Race-it’s very existence is perhaps the most salient part of colonialist thought. A state based around race is merely mental slavery.
So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.

by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.
by Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:06 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:Kowani wrote:The fucking-
Liberation cannot merely be physical and legalistic, it must be mental. Malcom X explained that particular concept better than I ever can, but if you truly wish to “liberate” black people (and I don’t think you do), you must pursue a mental liberation by which we cease to think of the world through the colonialist paradigm. Race-it’s very existence is perhaps the most salient part of colonialist thought. A state based around race is merely mental slavery.
So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.

by Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:07 pm
New Steuben wrote:Kowani wrote:Oh, no. You don't get to come in here with an internally contradictory, self-cannibalizing ideology and then pretend some sort of reasonableness. Tone is second to ideas, and your ideas are shit. There is no common fucking interest of white people. Think critically for 2 minutes, goddamn
Relax
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.

by New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:08 pm
by Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

by Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

by Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm
Kowani wrote:Greater Malegron wrote:So what, just ask nicely for the white people to “please stop being mean and oppressing us, lets just get along, water under the bridge?” I don’t think that quite cuts it.
No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.

by Kowani » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.

by Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:In any case, I didn’t know that NationStates didn’t allow me to have opinions.

by American Micronesia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:09 pm

by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:Kowani wrote:No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.
I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

by Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

by New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm

by Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:Kowani wrote:No. Ending white supremacy will require, axiomatically, that you work with white people. Let's get something straight. There are not enough black people in the US to end white supremacy via force. There will never be enough black people to do that. We lack the cultural and economic capital to try that on our own. It is physically impossible. The only way you win is by creating a structure that abolishes racial hierarchy.
There is nothing else you can do.
I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?

by New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:11 pm

by Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:11 pm
American Micronesia wrote:Greater Malegron wrote:Like I said, white people, racist or not, are at least partially complicit in the system of white supremacy.
Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".

by Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:We have a literal “white tribalist” in this thread. What are you on about?

by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:American Micronesia wrote:Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".
What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

by Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Greater Malegron wrote:I don’t know, seems like there is some promise. I’m optimistic, at least. And I think it’s ridiculous to remove racial hierarchy. Good luck getting white people to help with that. And besides, are you saying that races are fundamentally the same?
Things that don't exist can't be the same.

by Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:American Micronesia wrote:Could you please elaborate in which way a life-long white Democrat voter from a poor neighbourhood in a god-forsaken corner of Pennsylvania has possibly contributed to the "system of white supremacy".
What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

by Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:12 pm
Greater Malegron wrote:What has said person done to hinder white supremacy? Nothing. Inaction is action.

by New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:13 pm
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