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Should Nazis have a voice in politics in the United States?

The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis.
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40%
I understand and sympathize with the OP, but I believe Freedom of Speech should come first.
75
41%
Sieg Heil! The American Reich will come! White Power!
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9%
I'm not from the U.S. so I really don't care. I'm just here to eat popcorn and laugh at memes. And I'm all out of popcorn.
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7%
I dunno, what does Hasselhoff think?
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Total votes : 184

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:26 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah it turns out you can't remove an entire ethnic group from a nation without violence and oppression. Thanks for telling us why your ethnostate would be shit.

It wouldn’t be in this case.


By all means tell us how you would physically remove an entire population group on the basis of their ethnicity without violence or oppression lol
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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:26 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:It’s not about wealth, it’s about racism and race. White people are granted more opportunities because of the pervasive white supremacy.


All these unemployed auto workers in my area would beg to differ.

Poverty rates are worse for minorities due to systemic discrimination.

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Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:26 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:People affected by climate change are most often minorities or poor. Try again.

Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:26 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah it turns out you can't remove an entire ethnic group from a nation without violence and oppression. Thanks for telling us why your ethnostate would be shit.

It wouldn’t be in this case.


Well, in the hypothetical black ethnostate, I'm not leaving my home and I'm not going to be made a second-class citizen. I don't bow before tyrants just because they are from an oppressed minority.

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Cordel One
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Postby Cordel One » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:27 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:People affected by climate change are most often minorities or poor. Try again.

Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.

It affects minorities much more than it affects white people. You try again.

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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:28 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:It wouldn’t be in this case.


Well, in the hypothetical black ethnostate, I'm not leaving my home and I'm not going to be made a second-class citizen. I don't bow before tyrants just because they are from an oppressed minority.

What makes you think you’d be a second class citizen?

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:28 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:It wouldn’t be in this case.


Well, in the hypothetical black ethnostate, I'm not leaving my home and I'm not going to be made a second-class citizen. I don't bow before tyrants just because they are from an oppressed minority.


So in this black ethnostate, do only white people lose their rights or do all non blacks lose their rights? Cause while I'm sure there are more than a few whites who would be cool giving up their freedom cause "slavery and segregation," I think any attempt to make brown people second class citizens in a black state would lead to civil war.

If the weapons many people in my area have and their willingness to commit acts of brutality are anything to go by, it would not end well for the NFAC types trying to take their rights.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:29 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Picairn wrote:Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.

It affects minorities much more than it affects white people. You try again.


It doesn't matter what the general trends are when you're the unlucky one. Try again
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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:29 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Well, in the hypothetical black ethnostate, I'm not leaving my home and I'm not going to be made a second-class citizen. I don't bow before tyrants just because they are from an oppressed minority.

What makes you think you’d be a second class citizen?


Because I'm white, and I assume a black ethnostate which is trying to eject all non-black people from the country wouldn't be doing so by merely asking nicely.

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:29 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Well, in the hypothetical black ethnostate, I'm not leaving my home and I'm not going to be made a second-class citizen. I don't bow before tyrants just because they are from an oppressed minority.

What makes you think you’d be a second class citizen?


You were the one talking about whites keeping their heads down, or preferably leaving.
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Picairn
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Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:29 pm

Cordel One wrote:It affects minorities much more than it affects white people. You try again.

What? I was responding to his advocate of "all whites should pack up and leave".
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:30 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:What makes you think you’d be a second class citizen?


Because I'm white, and I assume a black ethnostate which is trying to eject all non-black people from the country wouldn't be doing so by merely asking nicely.

It’s disingenuous to assume that black nationalism is just white supremacy for black people, it actually has a much larger, wider legacy.

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American Micronesia
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Postby American Micronesia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:30 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:People affected by climate change are most often minorities or poor. Try again.

Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.

Cordel One wrote:
Picairn wrote:Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.

It affects minorities much more than it affects white people. You try again.

Maybe this is an incredibly radical big brain take from a European, that surpasses the intellectual capability of the average American, but I'll post it here anyways:

Is it maybe possible that white people and black people can be in the exact same boat?

Sure, on paper black people experience more discrimination than white people, and white people are generally richer in the US. However, both groups aren't monoliths.
I'm pretty damn certain that there are black neighbourhoods way more prosperous and get way more opportunities than some redneck trailer park in the Southern US where people can barely pay for electricity every day.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:31 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Because I'm white, and I assume a black ethnostate which is trying to eject all non-black people from the country wouldn't be doing so by merely asking nicely.

It’s disingenuous to assume that black nationalism is just white supremacy for black people, it actually has a much larger, wider legacy.


No it fucking doesn't lol. You lot openly worked with Rockwell and the original American Nazi Party because you both wanted separate states for yourselves.
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:31 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:What makes you think you’d be a second class citizen?


You were the one talking about whites keeping their heads down, or preferably leaving.

That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?

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Picairn
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Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?

Question: What does "keeping their heads down" mean to you? Is that a call to be subservient to the new black ethno-state?
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Albrenia wrote:With great power comes great mockability.

Proctopeo wrote:I'm completely right and you know it.

Moralityland wrote:big corporations allied with the communist elite
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Listen here Jack, we're going to destroy malarkey.
♔ The Empire of Picairn ♔
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New Steuben
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm

American Micronesia wrote:
Picairn wrote:Not all whites are rich enough to just pack up and leave. Try again.

Cordel One wrote:It affects minorities much more than it affects white people. You try again.

Maybe this is an incredibly radical big brain take from a European, that surpasses the intellectual capability of the average American, but I'll post it here anyways:

Is it maybe possible that white people and black people can be in the exact same boat?

Sure, on paper black people experience more discrimination than white people, and white people are generally richer in the US. However, both groups aren't monoliths.
I'm pretty damn certain that there are black neighbourhoods way more prosperous and get way more opportunities than some redneck trailer park in the Southern US where people can barely pay for electricity every day.


i can see truth to some of this.

i came from a poor white trailer park :(
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Postby New Steuben » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?

Question: What does "keeping their heads down" mean to you? Is that a call to be subservient to the new black ethno-state?


kneel before your new nubian kangs and queens :lol:
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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:It’s disingenuous to assume that black nationalism is just white supremacy for black people, it actually has a much larger, wider legacy.


No it fucking doesn't lol. You lot openly worked with Rockwell and the original American Nazi Party because you both wanted separate states for yourselves.

Only if you look at the fringes, and only if you look at America. But it’s not surprising to see an America-centric view on race and ethnicity :roll:

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Picairn
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Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

American Micronesia wrote:Maybe this is an incredibly radical big brain take from a European, that surpasses the intellectual capability of the average American, but I'll post it here anyways:

Is it maybe possible that white people and black people can be in the exact same boat?

Sure, on paper black people experience more discrimination than white people, and white people are generally richer in the US. However, both groups aren't monoliths.
I'm pretty damn certain that there are black neighbourhoods way more prosperous and get way more opportunities than some redneck trailer park in the Southern US where people can barely pay for electricity every day.

That's not radical, I hold this view myself.
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Albrenia wrote:With great power comes great mockability.

Proctopeo wrote:I'm completely right and you know it.

Moralityland wrote:big corporations allied with the communist elite
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Listen here Jack, we're going to destroy malarkey.
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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You were the one talking about whites keeping their heads down, or preferably leaving.

That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?


So you're advocating a black nationalist system which does not remove non-black people, offers them full legal status and protections, and does not put in place policies to install black people in a superior status to non-black people?

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Greater Malegron
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Postby Greater Malegron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Picairn wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?

Question: What does "keeping their heads down" mean to you? Is that a call to be subservient to the new black ethno-state?

You know the Klan? The Nazis? Shit like that? Don’t do that. Don’t do anything racist for that matter. Show some respect.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No it fucking doesn't lol. You lot openly worked with Rockwell and the original American Nazi Party because you both wanted separate states for yourselves.

Only if you look at the fringes, and only if you look at America. But it’s not surprising to see an America-centric view on race and ethnicity :roll:


Yes this thread is about America bud. It's naturally going to attract American perspectives on the matter, and in the US yes it just so happens that black nationalists are just Nazis with a different skin color.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:34 pm

Greater Malegron wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
You were the one talking about whites keeping their heads down, or preferably leaving.

That makes no indication of curtailing civil rights? What specific rights have I advocated denying?


Weird way to call for a state based on equality

Ever heard of dogwhistling?
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American Micronesia
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Postby American Micronesia » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:35 pm

Picairn wrote:
American Micronesia wrote:Maybe this is an incredibly radical big brain take from a European, that surpasses the intellectual capability of the average American, but I'll post it here anyways:

Is it maybe possible that white people and black people can be in the exact same boat?

Sure, on paper black people experience more discrimination than white people, and white people are generally richer in the US. However, both groups aren't monoliths.
I'm pretty damn certain that there are black neighbourhoods way more prosperous and get way more opportunities than some redneck trailer park in the Southern US where people can barely pay for electricity every day.

That's not radical, I hold this view myself.

I misqouted you there, I only wanted to reply to Cordel One in this case.

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