No Voice For Nazis

[Greater Malegron]

Eh, I'm split on the whole freeze peach debate, I think censoring nazis only gives them more power unfortunately, but then again, so does allowing them to speak freely. Like with most things the solution is communism.

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism. Communism has led to the erosion and destruction of cultures and peoples, as well as engaging in what are essentially acts of imperialism and repression. Look at the USSR.

[Stylan]

Eh, I'm split on the whole freeze peach debate, I think censoring nazis only gives them more power unfortunately, but then again, so does allowing them to speak freely. Like with most things the solution is communism.

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism.

What?

[Phaenix]

Eh, I'm split on the whole freeze peach debate, I think censoring nazis only gives them more power unfortunately, but then again, so does allowing them to speak freely. Like with most things the solution is communism.

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism. Communism has led to the erosion and destruction of cultures and peoples, as well as engaging in what are essentially acts of imperialism and repression. Look at the USSR.

So has Nazism, considering Nazis killed millions of people to fulfill their "Final Solution."

[Greater Malegron]

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism. Communism has led to the erosion and destruction of cultures and peoples, as well as engaging in what are essentially acts of imperialism and repression. Look at the USSR.

So has Nazism, considering Nazis killed millions of people to fulfill their "Final Solution."

Yeah, but I oppose Nazism as well. Also, Nazism openly celebrated the nation and it's culture. Unfortunately, the nation and culture was rooted in oppression.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Eh, I'm split on the whole freeze peach debate, I think censoring nazis only gives them more power unfortunately, but then again, so does allowing them to speak freely. Like with most things the solution is communism.

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism. Communism has led to the erosion and destruction of cultures and peoples, as well as engaging in what are essentially acts of imperialism and repression. Look at the USSR.

You don't like equality?

[New Steuben]

No, it most certainly is not. I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or of internationalism. Communism has led to the erosion and destruction of cultures and peoples, as well as engaging in what are essentially acts of imperialism and repression. Look at the USSR.

You don't like equality?

Its not equality when your political oppossition is executed

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You don't like equality?

Its not equality when your political oppossition is executed

"I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or internationalism." We aren't talking about people being sent to gulags. That i understand is bad. But why is equality considered to be a bad belief?

[New Steuben]

Its not equality when your political oppossition is executed

"I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or internationalism." We aren't talking about people being sent to gulags. That i understand is bad. But why is equality considered to be a bad belief?

“Equality” can mean a lot of different things to a lot of people.

[Risottia]

Even though I back Greece and Taiwan more for ideological reasons, I'd concede that its possible for the side I pick to overplay their hand and lose. If Turkey and China win in conflict, I can't begrudge that if it was their own accomplishment. The whole purpose of war is usually to settle which side is more right in a dispute. A weak country in my view, should defer to a stronger country if it knows they're weak. At least in the absence of securing an alliance that'll actually support them.

Yeah, the Czechoslovaks were totally to blame for France and Britain, their allies, simply lowering their pants to Mussolini and Hitler, while the Soviets were the only ones actually willing to help CS.

Not all alliances are created equal I'd say, some are useless such as Italy refusing to back the Triple Alliance as they were supposed to when WW1 began.

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Well, you know, when two parties of a defensive alliance actively denounce the alliance by declaring war on others without consulting, AS THE ALLIANCE PRESCRIBED, the third party...

Bro, do you even history?

[Greater Malegron]

Its not equality when your political oppossition is executed

"I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or internationalism." We aren't talking about people being sent to gulags. That i understand is bad. But why is equality considered to be a bad belief?

Communism makes the ridiculous assumption that history can be boiled down to the struggle between classes, which, I’ll say, is horrendously Eurocentric.

As for the equality thing, not all people are inherently equal to me. Some people are simply more biologically and societally capable than others, as are some societies. Which ancient societies were the ones building pyramids, or inventing gunpowder? The successful ones, led by capable people.

Communists ultimately fail to see the reality of the struggle. It’s not about class. Materialism is a dismal philosophy brought about to defend the oppressor from the oppressed, to strip the pride and culture from oppressed peoples.

[Cordel One]

...so it's not inherently evil to support communism.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

As a communist I can agree that the transition of power won't be peaceful.

[Kowani]

"I don't like the communist beliefs of equality or internationalism." We aren't talking about people being sent to gulags. That i understand is bad. But why is equality considered to be a bad belief?

Communism makes the ridiculous assumption that history can be boiled down to the struggle between classes, which, I’ll say, is horrendously Eurocentric.

As for the equality thing, not all people are inherently equal to me. Some people are simply more biologically and societally capable than others, as are some societies. Which ancient societies were the ones building pyramids, or inventing gunpowder? The successful ones, led by capable people.

So the ones that got lucky and started in places where the material conditions allowed for it. There's a reason the Tasmanians didn't create fucking Wakanda and it's not because they were all morons.

Communists ultimately fail to see the reality of the struggle. It’s not about class. Materialism is a dismal philosophy brought about to defend the oppressor from the oppressed, to strip the pride and culture from oppressed peoples.

Other things you don't know: What materialism is

[Greater Malegron]

Communism makes the ridiculous assumption that history can be boiled down to the struggle between classes, which, I’ll say, is horrendously Eurocentric.

As for the equality thing, not all people are inherently equal to me. Some people are simply more biologically and societally capable than others, as are some societies. Which ancient societies were the ones building pyramids, or inventing gunpowder? The successful ones, led by capable people.

So the ones that got lucky and started in places where the material conditions allowed for it. There's a reason the Tasmanians didn't create fucking Wakanda and it's not because they were all morons.

Communists ultimately fail to see the reality of the struggle. It’s not about class. Materialism is a dismal philosophy brought about to defend the oppressor from the oppressed, to strip the pride and culture from oppressed peoples.

Other things you don't know: What materialism is

Say what you will, but it seems clear to me a philosophy made by a German over 150 years ago is going to be very much rooted in the oppressive social structures that still plague us today. Why do you think most communists are white? Not race-baiting here, I mean it.

[Communal League]

So the ones that got lucky and started in places where the material conditions allowed for it. There's a reason the Tasmanians didn't create fucking Wakanda and it's not because they were all morons.

Other things you don't know: What materialism is

Say what you will, but it seems clear to me a philosophy made by a German over 150 years ago is going to be very much rooted in the oppressive social structures that still plague us today. Why do you think most communists are white? Not race-baiting here, I mean it.

You are aware that communists played a vital role in African, Asian and South American anti-colonial and anti-imperialist movements, right? They were very much not white. In fact, I would say that communism has historically been more prevalent in those areas than in Europe and North America.

[Greater Malegron]

Say what you will, but it seems clear to me a philosophy made by a German over 150 years ago is going to be very much rooted in the oppressive social structures that still plague us today. Why do you think most communists are white? Not race-baiting here, I mean it.

You are aware that communists played a vital role in African, Asian and South American anti-colonial and anti-imperialist movements, right? They were very much not white. In fact, I would say that communism has historically been more prevalent in those areas than in Europe and North America.

Ah yes, liberating non-white people by encouraging them to throw away their history and culture and make peace with the “white proletariat”, and adopt an ideology made by a white man for white people. Communism helped destroy those regions by converting them to Eurocentric ideologies and suppressing their history and culture. Communism destroys heritage.

[Labbos]

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

No. Nazism inherently calls for mass murder, eugenics, and genocide.
Communism does not. There is a very large difference here, and the false equivalence is laughably bad.

How does Nazism inherently call for mass murder and genocide? The Nazis initially planned to move Europe's Jewish population to Madagascar, Siberia or Palestine.

In reality they set up a totalitarian state that considered the economy's only purpose to be serving that state, and committed mass murder. But communist parties tend to do exactly the same when they take power.

[Saiwania]

There are apparently up to 22 million people who believe in some form of neo-Nazism in the US, so on that basis I'd consider it to be a legitimate political ideology in that it is popular enough to warrant a place among other fringe political parties within that country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07091.html

[Communal League]

You are aware that communists played a vital role in African, Asian and South American anti-colonial and anti-imperialist movements, right? They were very much not white. In fact, I would say that communism has historically been more prevalent in those areas than in Europe and North America.

Ah yes, liberating non-white people by encouraging them to throw away their history and culture and make peace with the “white proletariat”, and adopt an ideology made by a white man for white people. Communism helped destroy those regions by converting them to Eurocentric ideologies and suppressing their history and culture. Communism destroys heritage.

Culture is not static. It is the product of a myriad of ideas and influences which are constantly shifting and jostling for places within the zeitgeist. Communism does not destroy cultures, it simply adds new ideas and concepts, yet another change in thinking. These ideas are not separated by any misconception of race, they are for all humanity to share and benefit equally. And if you want to talk about destroying culture and heritage and replacing them with a Eurocentric white-dominated worldview, you'd be better off looking at the colonial empires that communism helped to overthrow.

[Greater Malegron]

Ah yes, liberating non-white people by encouraging them to throw away their history and culture and make peace with the “white proletariat”, and adopt an ideology made by a white man for white people. Communism helped destroy those regions by converting them to Eurocentric ideologies and suppressing their history and culture. Communism destroys heritage.

Culture is not static. It is the product of a myriad of ideas and influences which are constantly shifting and jostling for places within the zeitgeist. Communism does not destroy cultures, it simply adds new ideas and concepts, yet another change in thinking. These ideas are not separated by any misconception of race, they are for all humanity to share and benefit equally. And if you want to talk about destroying culture and heritage and replacing them with a Eurocentric white-dominated worldview, you'd be better off looking at the colonial empires that communism helped to overthrow.

“misconception of race”
“For all humanity to share equally”.
Are you white? I get the feeling you are.
Communism replaced black culture with communism.
Oppressed peoples need to rediscover their culture and guard it from all those who wish to harm it. Whites can keep their ideas, because we don’t want them. Africa should be for Africans, Asia for the Asians, and America for the native Americans. It’s our cultures, our history, our heritage. We’re not going to let you break them for some internationalist, pan-racial utopia. People are best kept separate.

[New Steuben]

Culture is not static. It is the product of a myriad of ideas and influences which are constantly shifting and jostling for places within the zeitgeist. Communism does not destroy cultures, it simply adds new ideas and concepts, yet another change in thinking. These ideas are not separated by any misconception of race, they are for all humanity to share and benefit equally. And if you want to talk about destroying culture and heritage and replacing them with a Eurocentric white-dominated worldview, you'd be better off looking at the colonial empires that communism helped to overthrow.

“misconception of race”
“For all humanity to share equally”.
Are you white? I get the feeling you are.
Communism replaced black culture with communism.
Oppressed peoples need to rediscover their culture and guard it from all those who wish to harm it. Whites can keep their ideas, because we don’t want them. Africa should be for Africans, Asia for the Asians, and America for the native Americans. It’s our cultures, our history, our heritage. We’re not going to let you break them for some internationalist, pan-racial utopia. People are best kept separate.

well we see eye to eye a little bit i guess.

I think nations like Japan are a good model, Ethnostates but still allowing some limited migration.

[Communal League]

Culture is not static. It is the product of a myriad of ideas and influences which are constantly shifting and jostling for places within the zeitgeist. Communism does not destroy cultures, it simply adds new ideas and concepts, yet another change in thinking. These ideas are not separated by any misconception of race, they are for all humanity to share and benefit equally. And if you want to talk about destroying culture and heritage and replacing them with a Eurocentric white-dominated worldview, you'd be better off looking at the colonial empires that communism helped to overthrow.

“misconception of race”
“For all humanity to share equally”.
Are you white? I get the feeling you are.
Communism replaced black culture with communism.
Oppressed peoples need to rediscover their culture and guard it from all those who wish to harm it. Whites can keep their ideas, because we don’t want them. Africa should be for Africans, Asia for the Asians, and America for the native Americans. It’s our cultures, our history, our heritage. We’re not going to let you break them for some internationalist, pan-racial utopia. People are best kept separate.

Ah, you're an ethno-nationalist. I suspected as much based on your past comments. It is not surprising that such a fundamentally flawed position would lead to the rejection of a better future in favour of blindly clinging to scraps of the past. It also explains why you've demurred in criticising Nazism.

[Greater Malegron]

“misconception of race”
“For all humanity to share equally”.
Are you white? I get the feeling you are.
Communism replaced black culture with communism.
Oppressed peoples need to rediscover their culture and guard it from all those who wish to harm it. Whites can keep their ideas, because we don’t want them. Africa should be for Africans, Asia for the Asians, and America for the native Americans. It’s our cultures, our history, our heritage. We’re not going to let you break them for some internationalist, pan-racial utopia. People are best kept separate.

well we see eye to eye a little bit i guess.

I think nations like Japan are a good model, Ethnostates but still allowing some limited migration.

Sorry, white people don’t get one. You guys showed you aren’t responsible enough.

[Cordel One]

Culture is not static. It is the product of a myriad of ideas and influences which are constantly shifting and jostling for places within the zeitgeist. Communism does not destroy cultures, it simply adds new ideas and concepts, yet another change in thinking. These ideas are not separated by any misconception of race, they are for all humanity to share and benefit equally. And if you want to talk about destroying culture and heritage and replacing them with a Eurocentric white-dominated worldview, you'd be better off looking at the colonial empires that communism helped to overthrow.

“misconception of race”
“For all humanity to share equally”.
Are you white? I get the feeling you are.
Communism replaced black culture with communism.
Oppressed peoples need to rediscover their culture and guard it from all those who wish to harm it. Whites can keep their ideas, because we don’t want them. Africa should be for Africans, Asia for the Asians, and America for the native Americans. It’s our cultures, our history, our heritage. We’re not going to let you break them for some internationalist, pan-racial utopia. People are best kept separate.

Fuck that, people should be able to travel where they want and love who they want without being restricted by some vague old ideas. No one owes their culture anything. Besides, indigenous communists like the Zapatistas would disagree with the whole bit about culture.

On a side note, the culture I was born into as a white American can go fuck itself.

[Labbos]

There are apparently up to 22 million people who believe in some form of neo-Nazism in the US, so on that basis I'd consider it to be a legitimate political ideology in that it is popular enough to warrant a place among other fringe political parties within that country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07091.html

That article estimates that 22 million people think it's OK to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views. They don't necessarily hold either of those views themselves.

[New Steuben]

There are apparently up to 22 million people who believe in some form of neo-Nazism in the US, so on that basis I'd consider it to be a legitimate political ideology in that it is popular enough to warrant a place among other fringe political parties within that country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07091.html

That article estimates that 22 million people think it's OK to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views. They don't necessarily hold either of those views themselves.

that could literally be 22 million people saying "it's okay to hold those views because of freedom of speech"