No Voice For Nazis

[Saiwania]

...Didn't know you were so supportive of Turkey and PR China, Sai.

Even though I back Greece and Taiwan more for ideological reasons, I'd concede that its possible for the side I pick to overplay their hand and lose. If Turkey and China win in conflict, I can't begrudge that if it was their own accomplishment. The whole purpose of war is usually to settle which side is more right in a dispute. A weak country in my view, should defer to a stronger country if it knows they're weak. At least in the absence of securing an alliance that'll actually support them.

Not all alliances are created equal I'd say, some are useless such as Italy refusing to back the Triple Alliance as they were supposed to when WW1 began. While other alliances are rock solid such as the Soviet Union and China sending weapons to North Vietnam to indirectly defeat the US- which more or less was acheived.

[Baltenstein]

...Didn't know you were so supportive of Turkey and PR China, Sai.

Even though I back Greece and Taiwan more for ideological reasons, I'd concede that its possible for the side I pick to overplay their hand and lose. If Turkey and China win in conflict, I can't begrudge that if it was their own accomplishment. The whole purpose of war is usually to settle which side is more right in a dispute. A weak country in my view, should defer to a stronger country if it knows they're weak. At least in the absence of securing an alliance that'll actually support them.

Not all alliances are created equal I'd say, some are useless such as Italy refusing to back the Triple Alliance as they were supposed to when WW1 began. While other alliances are rock solid such as the Soviet Union and China sending weapons to North Vietnam to indirectly defeat the US- which more or less was acheived.

Sai displays his flawless knowledge of military and diplomatic history once again by citing the Triple Alliance, which was a mutual defense alliance (which meant that Italy wasn't obliged to back shit when Germany and Austria-Hungary began to declare war on others) and North Vietnam which not only wasn't a "rock solid" alliance with the Soviet Union and China but in fact a proxy war between those two, with the USSR backing North Vietnam and China backing the Khmer Rouge.

[New Steuben]

"The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis."


UHHHHHHHH

We also shot Communists and Socialists in the Jungles of Vietnam and mountains of Korea, yet people have no problem jerking off to Marx.

and before anyone says " But it's not INHERENTLY EVIL to be a communist" save it, the recipe always creates the same shit pie.

[Cordel One]

"The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis."


UHHHHHHHH

We also shot Communists and Socialists in the Jungles of Vietnam and mountains of Korea, yet people have no problem jerking off to Marx.

and before anyone says " But it's not INHERENTLY EVIL to be a communist" save it, the recipe always creates the same shit pie.

Ah yes, the notoriously authoritarian Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, and EZLN.

[New Steuben]

"The real American patriots were shooting Nazis on the beaches of Normandy. Nazism has no place here. Fuck Nazis."


UHHHHHHHH

We also shot Communists and Socialists in the Jungles of Vietnam and mountains of Korea, yet people have no problem jerking off to Marx.

and before anyone says " But it's not INHERENTLY EVIL to be a communist" save it, the recipe always creates the same shit pie.

Ah yes, the notoriously authoritarian Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, and EZLN.

Totally and massivley overshadowed by stalin/mao etc etc

And they are really not that successful, they have not “liberated” the working class

Point is, if your going to “kick nazis out” then then equal treatment for the left

[Cordel One]

Ah yes, the notoriously authoritarian Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, and EZLN.

Totally and massivley overshadowed by stalin/mao etc etc

And they are really not that successful, they have not “liberated” the working class

Point is, if your going to “kick nazis out” then then equal treatment for the left

It's difficult to liberate the working class when multiple capitalist countries gang up on you and your little revolution. You can put those goalposts down btw, I see you moving them from "always creates the same shit pile" to "massively overshadowed" (which is irrelevant anyways).

[New Steuben]

Totally and massivley overshadowed by stalin/mao etc etc

And they are really not that successful, they have not “liberated” the working class

Point is, if your going to “kick nazis out” then then equal treatment for the left

It's difficult to liberate the working class when multiple capitalist countries gang up on you and your little revolution. You can put those goalposts down btw, I see you moving them from "always creates the same shit pile" to "massively overshadowed" (which is irrelevant anyways).

Dosnt matter if your going to have standards that standard has to be fair, semantics should not gurantee your shit ideology is safe at the destruction of your opponents.

[Cordel One]

It's difficult to liberate the working class when multiple capitalist countries gang up on you and your little revolution. You can put those goalposts down btw, I see you moving them from "always creates the same shit pile" to "massively overshadowed" (which is irrelevant anyways).

Dosnt matter if your going to have standards that standard has to be fair, semantics should not gurantee your shit ideology is safe at the destruction of your opponents.

...so it's not inherently evil to support communism.

[New Steuben]

Dosnt matter if your going to have standards that standard has to be fair, semantics should not gurantee your shit ideology is safe at the destruction of your opponents.

...so it's not inherently evil to support communism.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

[Greater Malegron]

...so it's not inherently evil to support communism.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

Why are you so afraid of violence. Oppressors use violence all the time. Of course, the communists have it all wrong, assuming a fundamental equality between people.

[New Steuben]

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

Why are you so afraid of violence. Oppressors use violence all the time. Of course, the communists have it all wrong, assuming a fundamental equality between people.

I dont get you

[Greater Malegron]

Why are you so afraid of violence. Oppressors use violence all the time. Of course, the communists have it all wrong, assuming a fundamental equality between people.

I dont get you

Most people don't.

[Kowani]

I dont get you

Most people don't.

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.

...so it's not inherently evil to support communism.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

[Greater Malegron]

Most people don't.

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

I don't know anything? Just because I oppose you? Just because I reject your beliefs?

[New Steuben]

Most people don't.

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.

Not inherently “evil” i guess, but it is inherently violent because its advocates the overthrow of a capitalist society via a revolution of the proletariat which would almost always be violent.

Sure we can say “ well what if they are voted in” that still leads to violence as the new regime goes after the capitalists and “counter revolutionarys”

all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

[Greater Malegron]

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.
all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

I support this, but not for the reasons you think.

[Norastan]

Well, if you are want to show your support for the Nazis and other fascist groups, go ahead, I wouldn't care, just prepare for your ass to get beaten.

Also OP says Nazism is a ideology of mass murder and they want to exterminate everyone else, but forgets that Holodomor, where millions of Ukrainians died, and the Great Leap Forward and the Chinese Cultural Revolution, where tens of millions Chinese people died, all of which were caused by communists, but everyone is too focused on Nazism that Communism doesn't receive the same bad reputation.

[New Steuben]

Well, if you are want to show your support for the Nazis and other fascist groups, go ahead, I wouldn't care, just prepare for your ass to get beaten.

Also OP says Nazism is a ideology of mass murder and they want to exterminate everyone else, but forgets that Holodomor, where millions of Ukrainians died, and the Great Leap Forward and the Chinese Cultural Revolution, where tens of millions people died, all of which were caused by communists, but everyone is too focused on Nazism that Communism doesn't receive the same bad reputation.

and if you get shot or your ass beaten in return?

[Kowani]

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.
all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

I don't know anything? Just because I oppose you? Just because I reject your beliefs?

No, I'm saying this because you thought the Nazis were operating from a position of privilege while simultaneously believing that the Han Chinese (or the CCP, really) aren't.

Maybe you should stop making arguments in areas you don't know anything about. That might help.
all politics is violence, this is a bad argument.
0/10, try again.

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

No. Nazism inherently calls for mass murder, eugenics, and genocide.
Communism does not. There is a very large difference here, and the false equivalence is laughably bad.

[New Steuben]

I don't know anything? Just because I oppose you? Just because I reject your beliefs?

No, I'm saying this because you thought the Nazis were operating from a position of privilege while simultaneously believing that the Han Chinese (or the CCP, really) aren't.

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

No. Nazism inherently calls for mass murder, eugenics, and genocide.
Communism does not. There is a very large difference here, and the false equivalence is laughably bad.

Marxism does indeed call for violent revolution though, so that's false. In fact, it LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR TERRORISM

“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

Also Mass Murder

“The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.”

[Greater Malegron]

I don't know anything? Just because I oppose you? Just because I reject your beliefs?

No, I'm saying this because you thought the Nazis were operating from a position of privilege while simultaneously believing that the Han Chinese (or the CCP, really) aren't.

Very well, then communists should get whatever treatment the national socialists get.

No. Nazism inherently calls for mass murder, eugenics, and genocide.
Communism does not. There is a very large difference here, and the false equivalence is laughably bad.

Han Chinese didn't take over the world or slaughter millions of natives. They didn't trade slaves, or genocide 6 million Jews. China also innovated the ancient world, while Germanic people were living as barbarians. Han Chinese aren't responsible for centuries of oppression. White ethnicities, as history shows, are.

[Kowani]

triple post

[Kowani]

triple post

[Kowani]

No, I'm saying this because you thought the Nazis were operating from a position of privilege while simultaneously believing that the Han Chinese (or the CCP, really) aren't.


No. Nazism inherently calls for mass murder, eugenics, and genocide.
Communism does not. There is a very large difference here, and the false equivalence is laughably bad.

Marxism does indeed call for violent revolution though, so that's false. In fact, it LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR TERRORISM

“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”

Also Mass Murder

“The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.”

If you had done any research at all (which I know you haven't),you would know that that Engels quote was directly rejected by most socialist thinkers ever since Herod's work. But addressing the first quote-you don't know what Marx means by terror. He's actually saying that it will cause less death. Please try again.

Han Chinese didn't take over the world

No one nation really did that, so sure?

or slaughter millions of natives.

...You're not familiar with East Asia, are you.

They didn't trade slaves,

This is laughably false

or genocide 6 million Jews.

Seeing as there were no Jews in China, this is a useless point

China also innovated the ancient world, while Germanic people were living as barbarians.

You do know that Germany has been a hotbed of science and technology for centuries, right?

Han Chinese aren't responsible for centuries of oppression.

Taiwanese aborigines, Uyghurs, the Manchu, Tibetans and the Oirats are not sure what you're talking about.

White ethnicities, as history shows, are.

Well, yes? But it's not like oppression is exclusive to white people-

[Stylan]

Eh, I'm split on the whole freeze peach debate, I think censoring nazis only gives them more power unfortunately, but then again, so does allowing them to speak freely. Like with most things the solution is communism.