No Voice For Nazis

[Greater Miami Shores]

We Republican Trump supporters are against any political dictatorship ideology especially those like the Fascists of Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany, whom Hitler's Nazi Germany is responsible for the deaths and atrocities of Jews and other ethnic Groups.

We Republican Trump supporters will never Take A Knee against the Flag of The USA, The National Anthem and The Pledge of Allegiance. We all love the USA, God Bless America The USA.

I know this from my conversations with Republicans and Republican Trump supporters on discord, NS TGs, off sites and Trump campaign offices and Rallies.

I rest my case.

GMS.

No. You Trump supporters support a guy who praised the tiananmen square massacre

lol, you have never been to one of my peaceful Trump Campaign office Meetings every Wednesday nights. You have never been to on my peaceful Trump Rallies and talked to us Republican Trump supporters.

We Republican Trump supporters will never Take A Knee against the Flag of The USA, The National Anthem and The Pledge of Allegiance. We all love the USA, God Bless America The USA.

We Respect and support the Cops the Good Cops, waive to them, hold our thumbs up to them in support of them, and tell them All of us Republican Trump supporters support them, Blue Lives Matter, and they say, thank you, thank you sir, and Man we really appreciate that, thank you sir. It is awesome when we do this.

I would have to take you with me, defend you and protect you from them, But seriously Dude, I would be responsible for you and your safety as my guest.

GMS.

[Picairn]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

Communism in theory is better than in practice. Nazism in theory and practice is racist as shit.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

This is the kind of thinking I was looking for.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

No, you don't get it. See, my advocacy for Nazis being excluded from the ballot is literally the exact same thing as gathering an angry mob and beating Jews to death in the streets and burning their businesses, get it? It's literally just as evil as huddling millions of people into death camps to be exterminated like pests and therefor I'm literally Hitler 2.0 and a threat to democracy, free speech, etc. for holding these disgustingly totalitarian and genocidal views of mine.

/heavy s

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The world according to people who say opposing nazis makes you a fascist: https://youtu.be/O_q12qYrCN0

[New haven america]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

Communism in theory is better than in practice. Nazism in theory and practice is racist as shit.

And funnily enough, Communist and Fascists hate each other, so that'd probably make them more vocal due to fighting.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Communism in theory is better than in practice. Nazism in theory and practice is racist as shit.

And funnily enough, Communist and Fascists hate each other, so that'd probably make them more vocal due to fighting.

Double funny when people think commies and Nazis are the same.

[Freiheit Reich]

And funnily enough, Communist and Fascists hate each other, so that'd probably make them more vocal due to fighting.

Double funny when people think commies and Nazis are the same.

They are the same when it comes to ruthlessly oppressing their enemies. Surprisingly, a liberal website actually has an article mentioning how they are similar. They are not the same but they have many similarities and they are both very dangerous.

Communism and Fascism: The Reason They Are So Similar

https://www.thedailybeast.com/communism ... so-similar

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Double funny when people think commies and Nazis are the same.

They are the same when it comes to ruthlessly oppressing their enemies. Surprisingly, a liberal website actually has an article mentioning how they are similar. They are not the same but they have many similarities and they are both very dangerous.

Communism and Fascism: The Reason They Are So Similar

https://www.thedailybeast.com/communism ... so-similar

Not what I’m referring to. Some people seem to think that Nazis and Communists are one and the same. And that’s hilarious when you think about WWII and who were part of the Allied Forces.

[Freiheit Reich]

They are the same when it comes to ruthlessly oppressing their enemies. Surprisingly, a liberal website actually has an article mentioning how they are similar. They are not the same but they have many similarities and they are both very dangerous.

Communism and Fascism: The Reason They Are So Similar

https://www.thedailybeast.com/communism ... so-similar

Not what I’m referring to. Some people seem to think that Nazis and Communists are one and the same. And that’s hilarious when you think about WWII and who were part of the Allied Forces.

Stalin and Hitler signed a pact. The USSR and Stalin were not the good guys you think they were. Stalin only joined the allies after he was betrayed by Hitler.

How a Secret Hitler-Stalin Pact Set the Stage for WWII

https://www.history.com/news/the-secret ... ssion-pact

[Kowani]

"I don't like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

The first step to ending violence is letting people criticize it.

And this is based on…what evidence?

[Imperium of Dragonia]

As painful as it might be, this is a pill that only sensible people will swallow: Hate speech is (unfortunately) technically free speech. Wanting to suppress hate speech because of what it might do is suppressing free speech because of what it technically allows. So yes, silencing the nazis does put you at the same level as the nazis, much like silencing the communists (as much as I abhor them) puts you at the same level as the communists. So you can take your willful ignorance to justify furthering the suppression of free speech and kick it to the curb. We have no need for narrow-minded authoritarians.

[Picairn]

As painful as it might be, this is a pill that only sensible people will swallow: Hate speech is (unfortunately) technically free speech. Wanting to suppress hate speech because of what it might do is suppressing free speech because of what it technically allows. So yes, silencing the nazis does put you at the same level as the nazis, much like silencing the communists (as much as I abhor them) puts you at the same level as the communists. So you can take your willful ignorance to justify furthering the suppression of free speech and kick it to the curb. We have no need for narrow-minded authoritarians.

Read my above post and take the L, mate.

[Kowani]

As painful as it might be, this is a pill that only sensible people will swallow: Hate speech is (unfortunately) technically free speech. Wanting to suppress hate speech because of what it might do is suppressing free speech because of what it technically allows. So yes, silencing the nazis does put you at the same level as the nazis, much like silencing the communists (as much as I abhor them) puts you at the same level as the communists. So you can take your willful ignorance to justify furthering the suppression of free speech and kick it to the curb. We have no need for narrow-minded authoritarians.

Read my above post and take the L, mate.

I will be putting this in the awesome quotes thread along with the context.

[Picairn]

I will be putting this in the awesome quotes thread along with the context.

Thanks, but I think you missed my response to him in that thread.

[Kowani]

I will be putting this in the awesome quotes thread along with the context.

Thanks, but I think you missed my response to him in that thread.

You're right.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Eternally bad arguments in every "No Voice For Nazis" thread ever:

> You are no better than Nazis!
Bullshit. Fighting against evil doesn't make you evil. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Barring Nazis from power does not equal engaging in genocides and ethnic cleansing. Barring Nazis from power does not equal throwing the Jews, LGBT people, gypsies and other "untermenschen" into concentration camps.

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

The ones you are looking for is authoritarian communists, Stalinists, Maoists, those types. And they are few compared to the number of anarcho-communists in the West. And the anarcho-communists' biggest movement, Antifa, is basically a bunch of kids going around burning dumpsters and occasionally assaulting Nazis. Compare that to the number of right-wing extremists killing dozens of people every year.

In conclusion, communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere, because of their infighting and a lack of enthusiasm among voters, since social democracy can accomplish much more with much less blood.

And this comes from a guy who opposes communism.

Fucking annihilation.

[Lamoni]

A big part of wartime propaganda against the Nazis was that we were fighting them to defend things like freedom of speech. To suggest that the way to honor their legacy is by turning the US into a technocratic authoritarian state ruled by corporations is...odd. That said, the Roosevelt administration did heavily restrict freedom of speech, and also threw people in camps, and centralized corporate rule. To defeat the fascists, we need to become them, right?

There has been a very strange behavior among modern leftists to act like Allied soldiers were woke progressive antifa types. MacArthur thought we should nuke communists and Patton thought the Soviets were worse than the Nazis. My own grandpa was a veteran of World War II who saw combat against the Germans, and he used to cheer for police as they bashed the skulls of Vietnam protestors. And this is ignoring the opinions of the rank and file troops, who thought the Japanese were Asiatic barbarians and supported segregation in their own units.

Another weird thing about OP's power fantasy is that we are supposed to presume he will be totally impartial and judicial when deciding who is a Nazi that should have their rights taken away, and that this will totally never be applied to people he opposes and arbitrarily decides to label as Nazis.

Also curious that he doesn't apply this to a myriad of other violent ideologies that have gotten Americans killed, such as communism or Sunni Islam.

I think it's very odd how you projected a bunch of nonsense onto me that doesn't even stick.

When the fuck did I advocate for a technocratic authoritarian state ruled by corporations? Never. When did I say Allied soldiers were champions of progress and equality? Never. When did I ever say that I wanted to be president or would be in charge of the U.S.? Never. And since fucking when am I a Leftist? Hint: never.

You're quite possibly one of the most delusional people I've come across on this forum. Please don't presume to know anything about me when you evidently don't know jack shit and apparently can't read an OP without seeing imaginary dogwhistles where none exist. Thanks.

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[Labbos]

... communists have like, almost zero chance to be elected anywhere.

Just like the Nazis. But communists do rise to power periodically, and there are a several countries today run by communist parties. Nazism only rose to power once in one place. I despise both ideologies, but I see communism as the bigger threat at the moment. And any attempt to silence Nazis would be seized upon by communists to silence anybody right of centre, then anybody right of socialism, then anybody right of communism.

[-Ocelot-]

> Why don't you ban communists as well?
The ultimate deflection and a false equivalence. Communists are not a monolithic bloc hell bent on totalitarianism and genocide. Communists do not have a unified doctrine calling for exterminations of "socially inferior people". Communists and their other comrades, socialists, can't even agree on a lot of things. Not to mention the fact that communists have ceased to be a grave threat since the USSR collapsed.

Correct, some communists have a doctrine calling for the extermination of what they perceive as "socially superior people" through violent revolution.

Violence isn't explicitly part of the far-right, unfortunately.

[Picairn]

Just like the Nazis. But communists do rise to power periodically, and there are a several countries today run by communist parties.

Communists haven't won any elections in any Western countries since 1991. The last five remaining countries ruled by communist parties have all abandoned the doctrine of spreading communism and either 1) closed off to the world (North Korea), 2) embrace economic reforms (China, Vietnam and Laos), or 3) slowly opening up (Cuba). None of them have neither the interest nor capital to fund communist movements. It's sufficient to say the communist movement effectively ended with the death of the Soviet Union.

Antifa and other socialist parties in the US are a joke compared to actual communist movements in the past.

Nazism only rose to power once in one place.

Its original creator, Fascism, also rose to power in Italy, Japan and other Eastern European countries west of the Soviet Union in WW2. After the migrant crisis, it was reborn and revitalized, with considerable influence in Europe and the US. Bolsonaro, Orban, Xi Jinping, Trump, etc. have all professed some fascist beliefs. Fascist and extreme right-wing groups are also more emboldened than ever, with 329 victims fallen to their attacks for the last 25 years. https://www.businessinsider.com/right-w ... one-2020-7

I despise both ideologies, but I see communism as the bigger threat at the moment.

Why? Fascist and far right groups have killed more.

And any attempt to silence Nazis would be seized upon by communists to silence anybody right of centre, then anybody right of socialism, then anybody right of communism.

I didn't realize Germany was a bastion of communism.

[Picairn]

Correct, some communists have a doctrine calling for the extermination of what they perceive as "socially superior people" through violent revolution.

Violence isn't explicitly part of the far-right, unfortunately.

Violent revolution =/= systematic extermination of "untermenschen". One of the reasons the Holocaust was so notorious is that the killings were not spontaneous and chaotic like summary executions carried out by individual groups of revolutionaries, but through deliberate, planned action by building a full network of death camps, conducting exterminations with industrial efficiency.

Of course violence isn't explicitly part of the far right, but fascists are much more dangerous: They are organized and unified behind a racist doctrine that calls for extermination of "socially inferior people". They carry out their killings with industrial efficiency. They quickly seize any chance to influence politics through social media and hate speech.

Meanwhile, anarcho-communists and socialists in the Western countries are decentralized and routinely fight against each other. They only show up as a group when it's time to punch some Nazis. The only group who can effectively organize a revolution is the authoritarian communists, which have been mostly extinct in the West since the fall of the USSR.

[Ifreann]

"I don't like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

The first step to ending violence is letting people criticize it.

We all recall when the Nazis were conclusively shown that their ideology was logically flawed, and then they laid down their arms and Germany became a liberal, democratic republic.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"I don't like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

The first step to ending violence is letting people criticize it.

We all recall when the Nazis were conclusively shown that their ideology was logically flawed, and then they laid down their arms and Germany became a liberal, democratic republic.

"Violence is never the answer! All conflict can be resolved through peaceful civil discourse and diplomacy!"

History: "Uh..."