No Voice For Nazis

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nothing I have ever seen will convince me that biologically pure races exist. Nazism is based in fiction.

It’s a silly thing to zone in, yes. Racial purity. A fantasy. So much so that didn’t Hitler and his goons had to go into overdrive tobfabricate the history and belief system of the Third Reich?

[Ethel mermania]

And you want the power for someone to shut down speech you don't like, so did the nazis.

Even look at your avatar stating trump supporters are unpatriotic. I would take the argument that by supporting the supression of the first amendment, you are the one who is anti-american.

He obviously feels very strongly about this subject, for a reason. I myself find Nazis having the power to speak as problematic. But I also know that if we’re to preserve freedom of speech, even hate speech needs to be included under that protection.

No one is un-American. You’re both concerned citizens standing on different hills. No need to otherize each other.

free speech is a cornerstone tenant of American democracy. Not supporting it, is not supporting the American system.

Now in America everyone has a right to not support the American system, and prefer tolotarianism or Nazism. In America you have that right, and while i find nazi's distasteful (except for NFP), they have a right to think that way. Suppressing their speech is a tactic out of the nazi playbook. Americans for better or worse do have the right to elect nazi's to leadership positions, i think suppressing that right puts you right next to them.

[Myrensis]

Nothing I have ever seen will convince me that biologically pure races exist. Nazism is based in fiction.

True, it's especially comical in the US, where 'whites' have periodically expanded the definition of the term to maintain their majority.

I look forward to the day when we see (light-skinned, naturally) Juan Jose Velasco Gonzales on Fox News demanding to know why other races get to have their own nations, but its suddenly racist when proud white men like him want one too!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

He obviously feels very strongly about this subject, for a reason. I myself find Nazis having the power to speak as problematic. But I also know that if we’re to preserve freedom of speech, even hate speech needs to be included under that protection.

No one is un-American. You’re both concerned citizens standing on different hills. No need to otherize each other.

free speech is a cornerstone tenant of American democracy. Not supporting it, is not supporting the American system.

Now in America everyone has a right to not support the American system, and prefer tolotarianism or Nazism. In America you have that right, and while i find nazi's distasteful (except for NFP), they have a right to think that way. Suppressing their speech is a tactic out of the nazi playbook. Americans for better or worse do have the right to elect nazi's to leadership positions, i think suppressing that right puts you right next to them.

Questioning what is deemed to be tyrannical is also part of your system. I think he’s doing that. Is he maybe going at it the wrong way? Perhaps. Could he be missing your point? Perhaps. But you both are doing very American things.

I have no dog in this fight. Freedom of speech, even if hateful, needs to be maintained.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Nothing I have ever seen will convince me that biologically pure races exist. Nazism is based in fiction.

It’s a silly thing to zone in, yes. Racial purity. A fantasy. So much so that didn’t Hitler and his goons had to go into overdrive tobfabricate the history and belief system of the Third Reich?

Hitler: "The Croats are Slavic uttermensch."

Also Hitler: "Wait no, they're descendants of Germanic tribesmen."

Hitler: "Finns aren't Aryan."

Also Hitler: "Okay maybe they are."

Strange how ones race can change so quickly just because the Nazi party says so.

[Bear Stearns]

Nothing I have ever seen will convince me that biologically pure races exist. Nazism is based in fiction.

True, it's especially comical in the US, where 'whites' have periodically expanded the definition of the term to maintain their majority.

I look forward to the day when we see (light-skinned, naturally) Juan Jose Velasco Gonzales on Fox News demanding to know why other races get to have their own nations, but its suddenly racist when proud white men like him want one too!

The white-black ratio in the US has more or less remained about the same since the 1840s. The black population as a % of the total peaked in the 1780s at around 20%, and began declining every decade until the 1920s when it flattened out at around 10%, and then began rising again in the late 20th century.

The decline of the white population as a % of the total has largely been driven by Asian and Latin immigration.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It’s a silly thing to zone in, yes. Racial purity. A fantasy. So much so that didn’t Hitler and his goons had to go into overdrive tobfabricate the history and belief system of the Third Reich?

Hitler: "The Croats are Slavic uttermensch."

Also Hitler: "Wait no, they're descendants of Germanic tribesmen."

Hitler: "Finns aren't Aryan."

Also Hitler: "Okay maybe they are."

Strange how ones race can change so quickly just because the Nazi party says so.

They were all buffoons. What else did you expect?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Nothing I have ever seen will convince me that biologically pure races exist. Nazism is based in fiction.

True, it's especially comical in the US, where 'whites' have periodically expanded the definition of the term to maintain their majority.

I look forward to the day when we see (light-skinned, naturally) Juan Jose Velasco Gonzales on Fox News demanding to know why other races get to have their own nations, but its suddenly racist when proud white men like him want one too!

We already have that. My dad believes in race realism and thinks whites are superior to blacks despite being considered a person of color by some.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

True, it's especially comical in the US, where 'whites' have periodically expanded the definition of the term to maintain their majority.

I look forward to the day when we see (light-skinned, naturally) Juan Jose Velasco Gonzales on Fox News demanding to know why other races get to have their own nations, but its suddenly racist when proud white men like him want one too!

We already have that. My dad believes in race realism and thinks whites are superior to blacks despite being considered a person of color by some.

Is your dad like a real life Uncle Remus? “No relation!”

I hope you get the reference and don’t get offended.

[Bear Stearns]

True, it's especially comical in the US, where 'whites' have periodically expanded the definition of the term to maintain their majority.

I look forward to the day when we see (light-skinned, naturally) Juan Jose Velasco Gonzales on Fox News demanding to know why other races get to have their own nations, but its suddenly racist when proud white men like him want one too!

We already have that. My dad believes in race realism and thinks whites are superior to blacks despite being considered a person of color by some.

A majority Hispanic United States will likely be more intolerant of African-Americans. I can't see a future Hispanic government being too keen on affirmative action or reparations for them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

We already have that. My dad believes in race realism and thinks whites are superior to blacks despite being considered a person of color by some.

Is your dad like a real life Uncle Remus? “No relation!”

I hope you get the reference and don’t get offended.

I was unfortunate enough to be born with two racist parents. They only differ in who they hate, with dad not liking blacks while mom holds heavy mediterraneanist tendencies and viewing Slavs as backwards savages, the Irish as "people without a history" and Nords as "civilized since 1700."

[Borderlands of Rojava]

We already have that. My dad believes in race realism and thinks whites are superior to blacks despite being considered a person of color by some.

A majority Hispanic United States will likely be more intolerant of African-Americans. I can't see a future Hispanic government being too keen on affirmative action or reparations for them.

I dong think that's really intolerant though. You can be against reparations without hating blacks, although there are some pretty anti black latinos (like La Eme).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Is your dad like a real life Uncle Remus? “No relation!”

I hope you get the reference and don’t get offended.

I was unfortunate enough to be born with two racist parents. They only differ in who they hate, with dad not liking blacks while mom holds heavy mediterraneanist tendencies and viewing Slavs as backwards savages, the Irish as "people without a history" and Nords as "civilized since 1700."

How long has your family, on both side, been in the US? Because your mom at least sounds like she just came fresh off the boat from the Mediterranean through Ellis Island. Wow.

[Bear Stearns]

A majority Hispanic United States will likely be more intolerant of African-Americans. I can't see a future Hispanic government being too keen on affirmative action or reparations for them.

I dong think that's really intolerant though. You can be against reparations without hating blacks, although there are some pretty anti black latinos (like La Eme).

I mean just look at how Latin America is currently run.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I was unfortunate enough to be born with two racist parents. They only differ in who they hate, with dad not liking blacks while mom holds heavy mediterraneanist tendencies and viewing Slavs as backwards savages, the Irish as "people without a history" and Nords as "civilized since 1700."

How long has your family, on both side, been in the US? Because your mom at least sounds like she just came fresh off the boat from the Mediterranean through Ellis Island. Wow.

Mom's family has been here since like 1940 while dad's side landed in Puerto Rico in 1880 or sometime around then. Mom continues to tell me that genetics decide intelligence and divides Europe up into "Mediterranean, Germania and Slavic." Those racial groups are listed in order of how civilized she views each.

Oddly enough mom others Northern Euros at the same time that she claims that southern europeans are just as white as northern europeans. She doesn't understand that actually no, many southern euros are indeed dark skinned. She is so uptight about people calling Mediterranean people brown that she told me her friend Deen isn't that dark. Deen is a Yemenite, he's pretty brown.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How long has your family, on both side, been in the US? Because your mom at least sounds like she just came fresh off the boat from the Mediterranean through Ellis Island. Wow.

Mom's family has been here since like 1940 while dad's side landed in Puerto Rico in 1880 or sometime around then. Mom continues to tell me that genetics decide intelligence and divides Europe up into "Mediterranean, Germania and Slavic." Those racial groups are listed in order of how civilized she views each.

Oddly enough mom others Northern Euros at the same time that she claims that southern europeans are just as white as northern europeans. She doesn't understand that actually no, many southern euros are indeed dark skinned. She is so uptight about people calling Mediterranean people brown that she told me her friend Deen isn't that dark. Deen is a Yemenite, he's pretty brown.

Dude, I’m so sorry. No wonder you clash so much with them. They’re smacked down in the dark ages with that mentality.

[Labbos]

If you don't support freedom of speech for ideas you disagree with, then you don't support free speech.

One problem with banning Nazism, as has been pointed out, is defining it. Already in this thread I've seen people conflating it with both Fascism and white supremacy.

Then we've got the problem of why we don't ban other groups. Socialists and Islamists have shown a tendency for authoritarianism and mass murder, as well as ending democracies. Should they be banned too?

Finally, why legislate only against pro-Aryan groups? Would it be better if they had the same ideas as the Nazis, but included all whites in their master race? Or the Chinese? Or blacks? For that matter, what if it was left handed people, women or homosexuals who were the "good" group? And if we have a law that only applies to pro-Aryan groups, isn't that an inherently racist law?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I don't want to shut down speech I don't like. I want to shut down speech that is a threat to the public. National Socialist rhetoric is by it's very nature violent and genocidal. I'm not saying arrest people for being Nazis, I'm saying bar them from running for office and spreading propaganda through media outlets. Completely different.

And don't bring Trump into this. There are enough threads about Trump. Take that shit to the MAGA thread if you want to call out my patriotism.

this is the appropriate place to talk about how un-American stopping free speech is. This thread is about stopping free speech, something you support, much like nazi's.

Don't fucking deflect. Trump has nothing to do with this thread; fucking keep him out of it.

This thread is not about stopping free speech, it's about stopping Nazis from taking power. If you genuinely value the idea of free speech over innocent lives then bro, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're the one more like the Nazis. While you're defending their right to get into office and implement their ethnic cleansing vision I'm opposing it on behalf of the millions of us who would end up in death camps.

Please reevaluate your moral positions. I support the Constitution as much as any American, but I will not put it above human life under any circumstance. Why won't you?

[Dumb Ideologies]

First you had no platforming, nowadays the discourse is on to punching, and some I'm sure would like outright murder to be painted as pre-emptive self-defence. While reserving for themselves the right to declare anyone they don't like to be a Nazi.

Attempts to frighten people away from the right by the threat of unpersoning can only go so far before the moral panic shifts towards the people who started it as people start to get fed up of the hysteria. The strategy has an expiration date.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Mom's family has been here since like 1940 while dad's side landed in Puerto Rico in 1880 or sometime around then. Mom continues to tell me that genetics decide intelligence and divides Europe up into "Mediterranean, Germania and Slavic." Those racial groups are listed in order of how civilized she views each.

Oddly enough mom others Northern Euros at the same time that she claims that southern europeans are just as white as northern europeans. She doesn't understand that actually no, many southern euros are indeed dark skinned. She is so uptight about people calling Mediterranean people brown that she told me her friend Deen isn't that dark. Deen is a Yemenite, he's pretty brown.

Dude, I’m so sorry. No wonder you clash so much with them. They’re smacked down in the dark ages with that mentality.

When I moved in with some friends in summer of 2019, I didn't tell my mom they were black cause I knew my dad would flip out. He found out inevitably and my mom said he told her "I can't believe Mark is moving in with Amos and Andy."

I'll say this. The thing that separates slavs from Nords or black people is that whereas my mom can treat black people and Central/Northern Europeans with respect and dignity and has friends from both groups, and can show human empathy for people from either, she has no love for slavs. My mom also isn't particularly fond of ashkenazim, and believes in that one theory that they aren't really descended from the original Jews ("they're too ugly to be actually Jewish" she once said). Idk both of my parents are to the right politically of me, my brother and my sister.

[Ethel mermania]

this is the appropriate place to talk about how un-American stopping free speech is. This thread is about stopping free speech, something you support, much like nazi's.

Don't fucking deflect. Trump has nothing to do with this thread; fucking keep him out of it.

This thread is not about stopping free speech, it's about stopping Nazis from taking power. If you genuinely value the idea of free speech over innocent lives then bro, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're the one more like the Nazis. While you're defending their right to get into office and implement their ethnic cleansing vision I'm opposing it on behalf of the millions of us who would end up in death camps.

Please reevaluate your moral positions. I support the Constitution as much as any American, but I will not put it above human life under any circumstance. Why won't you?

again you don't get to tell me to keep trump out of it, as your political VueS are Germaine to the conversation

Whether you like it or not. The american constitution allows nazis to run for office, be elected, and if enough people support the party, to amend the constitution to conform to their political views.

It is un-American and very nazi like to deny them the ability to do that.

[Ifreann]

First you had no platforming, nowadays the discourse is on to punching, and some I'm sure would like outright murder to be painted as pre-emptive self-defence. While reserving for themselves the right to declare anyone they don't like to be a Nazi.

Attempts to frighten people away from the right by the threat of unpersoning can only go so far before the moral panic shifts towards the people who started it as people start to get fed up of the hysteria. The strategy has an expiration date.

No one de-platforms or punches or murders or unpersons a Nazi to frighten people away from Nazism, they do it to stop the Nazi from doing Nazi shit.

[Greater Miami Shores]

We Republican Trump supporters are against any political dictatorship ideology especially those like the Fascists of Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany, whom Hitler's Nazi Germany is responsible for the deaths and atrocities of Jews and other ethnic Groups.

We Republican Trump supporters will never Take A Knee against the Flag of The USA, The National Anthem and The Pledge of Allegiance. We all love the USA, God Bless America The USA.

God Bless America The USA By Lee Greenwood, A Republican Trump Supporter:

And I'd think my lucky stars to be livin' here today,
Cause the flag still stand for freedom and they can't take that away.

And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the ones who died who gave that right to me
And I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God Bless the USA

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=le ... ORM%3DVDRE

I know this from my conversations with Republicans and Republican Trump supporters on discord, NS TGs, off sites and Trump campaign offices and Rallies.

I rest my case.

GMS.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

We Republican Trump supporters are against any political dictatorship ideology especially those like the Fascists of Benito Mussolini's Italy and Adolph Hitler's Nazi Germany, whom Hitler's Nazi Germany is responsible for the deaths and atrocities of Jews and other ethnic Groups.

We Republican Trump supporters will never Take A Knee against the Flag of The USA, The National Anthem and The Pledge of Allegiance. We all love the USA, God Bless America The USA.

I know this from my conversations with Republicans and Republican Trump supporters on discord, NS TGs, off sites and Trump campaign offices and Rallies.

I rest my case.

GMS.

No. You Trump supporters support a guy who praised the tiananmen square massacre

[Atheris]

"I don't like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it."

The first step to ending violence is letting people criticize it.