Pan-Turkism: A New Nationalism for the New Decade?

[Aureumterra III]

The recent Nagorno-Karabakh war involving Azerbaijan and the land of the Nagorno-Karabakh region has spurred a new wave of Turkish nationalism in nearby Turkey and Central Asia, however, this isn’t something new. The Pan-Turkism we have been seeing for the past five years has been building up, especially following the election of Erdogan in Turkey, along with longtime president of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, being out of office. There has been a well documented, growing trend of support for Pan-Turkism and similar nationalisms in Central Asia and Turkey, as well as Azerbaijan, but there hasn’t been a real catalyst to spark a massive regional nationalist movement… until now

What the Nagorno-Karabakh war has done is not just cause conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but spark an entire wave of nationalism that is sweeping the Turkic world as I type, a Pan-Turkism of sorts. Most people in these countries are overwhelmingly in support of Azerbaijan and calling for their respective governments to aid them. Couple that with growing unrest and dissent in the Central Asian dictatorships, and it is very possible that the 2020s will have their own Arab Spring of sorts, but with the Turkic countries.

What is your opinion on the events of the region? Do you think Pan-Turkism will result in a revolutionary movement across the region like the Arab Spring? Or is this just a wave of nationalism spurred by the conflict that will soon be over?

I definitely think, if the conflict continues, that Pan-Turkism will get bigger and more relevant. We already see growing protests in Kazakhstan against president Nursultan Nazarbayev’s successor, who essentially is a dictator that regularly rigs elections, which could well escalate into a revolution like the Tunisian one of 2011

[Insaanistan]

No. Turkic Unions, sure, but no one except Turkish and Azeri nationalists would be willing to go through all that for a united Turkic state, save for maybe an Islamic cleric who views it as a gateway to a united Muslim world.

[Aureumterra III]

No. Turkic Unions, sure, but no one except Turkish and Azeri nationalists would be willing to go through all that for a united Turkic state, save for maybe an Islamic cleric who views it as a gateway to a united Muslim world.

Pan-Turkism doesn’t necessarily imply a united Turkic state, but moreso an EU type thing

Many of the old Soviet leaders are facing growing unrest in Central Asia

[NatGvardiya]

Pan-Turkism isn't new and it has been around since at least the 1960s surely. Grey Wolves took part in the 1990s Karabakh war as well. However, I think the recent uprisings/happenings rather show Turkey's sphere of influence under the guise of pan-Turkism or something similar. Turks have always been nationalistic, they're just getting more and more regional power.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I hope Pan Turkism is gone someday.

[Salus Maior]

Turkey remains politically toxic. News at 11.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Pan turkism is as bad as white nationalism tbh. It has alot of toxic ideas.

[Salus Maior]

Pan turkism is as bad as white nationalism tbh. It has alot of toxic ideas.

That's just ethnonationalism as a whole.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Pan turkism is as bad as white nationalism tbh. It has alot of toxic ideas.

That's just ethnonationalism as a whole.

The Grey Wolves are like the Turkish National Front.

[Tokora]

Pan-Turkism is the new Pan-Germanism and needs to be dealt with the same way.

[The Lone Alliance]

Pan turkism is as bad as white nationalism tbh. It has alot of toxic ideas.

It technically is a form of White Nationalism if you think about it.

[Major-Tom]

If you'd asked me a month ago, I'd have dismissed the notion of Pan-Turkism being anything more than a fringe moment. But, now, I'm not so sure, it definitely seems threatening for regional stability.

And, I suppose, too, it was responsible for a lot of atrocities in then past.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Pan turkism is as bad as white nationalism tbh. It has alot of toxic ideas.

It technically is a form of White Nationalism if you think about it.

Is it? Turks don't really identify as white. They identify as Turks. They think they're the same people as Turks in Kazakhstan who look very different and they don't view themselves as the same people as Armenians or Greeks. Now Nazism, that could be considered a form of white nationalism.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I’m honestly surprised how the Western media is just ignoring the Kazakh protests, they have been escalating since they began last year and we could well have a revolution there in the coming months (that would be the most 2020 thing). Ironically enough, one of the main grievances of the protestors now is that the government isn’t doing enough to help their Turkic brethren in Azerbaijan

Dissent is brewing in most of the Central Asian states, all of them currently have Soviet sympathizing governments (all of the current Central Asian presidents were former members of the USSR Communist Party)

[Salus Maior]

I’m honestly surprised how the Western media is just ignoring the Kazakh protests, they have been escalating since they began last year and we could well have a revolution there in the coming months (that would be the most 2020 thing). Ironically enough, one of the main grievances of the protestors now is that the government isn’t doing enough to help their Turkic brethren in Azerbaijan

Dissent is brewing in most of the Central Asian states, all of them currently have Soviet sympathizing governments (all of the current Central Asian presidents were former members of the USSR Communist Party)

Oh, ew.

[Insaanistan]

I’m honestly surprised how the Western media is just ignoring the Kazakh protests, they have been escalating since they began last year and we could well have a revolution there in the coming months (that would be the most 2020 thing). Ironically enough, one of the main grievances of the protestors now is that the government isn’t doing enough to help their Turkic brethren in Azerbaijan

Dissent is brewing in most of the Central Asian states, all of them currently have Soviet sympathizing governments (all of the current Central Asian presidents were former members of the USSR Communist Party)

I only ever know about stuff like this from Aljazeera.

And I agree with your second paragraph. The people of Central Asia want the freedom of democracy and the freedom to practice Islam and publicly express their faith.

[Salus Maior]

I’m honestly surprised how the Western media is just ignoring the Kazakh protests, they have been escalating since they began last year and we could well have a revolution there in the coming months (that would be the most 2020 thing). Ironically enough, one of the main grievances of the protestors now is that the government isn’t doing enough to help their Turkic brethren in Azerbaijan

Dissent is brewing in most of the Central Asian states, all of them currently have Soviet sympathizing governments (all of the current Central Asian presidents were former members of the USSR Communist Party)

I only ever know about stuff like this from Aljazeera.

And I agree with your second paragraph. The people of Central Asia want the freedom of democracy and the freedom to practice Islam and publicly express their faith.

And grant human value based on how Turkic someone is.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I’m honestly surprised how the Western media is just ignoring the Kazakh protests, they have been escalating since they began last year and we could well have a revolution there in the coming months (that would be the most 2020 thing). Ironically enough, one of the main grievances of the protestors now is that the government isn’t doing enough to help their Turkic brethren in Azerbaijan

Dissent is brewing in most of the Central Asian states, all of them currently have Soviet sympathizing governments (all of the current Central Asian presidents were former members of the USSR Communist Party)

I only ever know about stuff like this from Aljazeera.

And I agree with your second paragraph. The people of Central Asia want the freedom of democracy and the freedom to practice Islam and publicly express their faith.

While it is true that the protestors’ main grievance is democracy, much like the Arab Spring revolts, there is a sizable ethnonationalist and Islamist faction

Although in this case, the ethnonationalist factions are far more influential than the Islamist ones

Edit: Also, I don’t recommend getting world news only from Al Jazeera. They are Qatar’s state media, and have a well known pro-Qatar, pro-Iran bias

[Insaanistan]

I only ever know about stuff like this from Aljazeera.

And I agree with your second paragraph. The people of Central Asia want the freedom of democracy and the freedom to practice Islam and publicly express their faith.

While it is true that the protestors’ main grievance is democracy, much like the Arab Spring revolts, there is a sizable ethnonationalist and Islamist faction

Although in this case, the ethnonationalist factions are far more influential than the Islamist ones

Edit: Also, I don’t recommend getting world news only from Al Jazeera. They are Qatar’s state media, and have a well known pro-Qatar, pro-Iran bias

Oh, I was referring to Islamist, I was referring to how most Central Asians are at least moderately devout and are pretty upset about the previous hijab bans in their countries.

And I get why you say not to watch ONLY Al Jazeera, but often either than the BBC, they’re the only way I can get news about “back home”.

[Picairn]

Say no to a new Ottoman empire.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Say no to a new Ottoman empire.

This is different from Neo-Ottomanism. This has support in Central Asia as well as Turkey

[Senkaku]

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wishing the Turks would fucking mind their business

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[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

It is important to point out that, purely due to geography, a single united Pan-Turkic state is next to impossible in the modern day. The best they can hope for is the unification of all the Central Asian former USSR states, or an EU style alliance

[Salus Maior]

Say no to a new Ottoman empire.

Oh, this would be way worse than the Ottomans.

This is a new Young Turks. The Ottomans at least were mostly pluralistic in terms of cultural and religious tolerance (enslaving Christian children and indoctrinating them as slave-soldiers aside), this is a return to the 3 Pashas. This is Turk Uber Alles.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

While it is true that the protestors’ main grievance is democracy, much like the Arab Spring revolts, there is a sizable ethnonationalist and Islamist faction

Although in this case, the ethnonationalist factions are far more influential than the Islamist ones

Edit: Also, I don’t recommend getting world news only from Al Jazeera. They are Qatar’s state media, and have a well known pro-Qatar, pro-Iran bias

Oh, I was referring to Islamist, I was referring to how most Central Asians are at least moderately devout and are pretty upset about the previous hijab bans in their countries.

And I get why you say not to watch ONLY Al Jazeera, but often either than the BBC, they’re the only way I can get news about “back home”.

That is another grievance

Seriously the Western media is doing an absolutely shit job at covering the Kazakhstan protests, considering they may escalate into a full scale revolution before the end of the year even